Which "BIBLE" is best ? Why it REALLY Matters !

[gordonhooker]

Where we are at it .
Let's assume Septuagint had non cannonical books before Christ . Why did we get rid of them in first place ?

Because the combined councils of the Early Christian Fathers determined they would not be included in the canon. Maybe?

 

[gordonhooker]

Are you going to take the time to learn Hebrew/ Greek and 100 % Completely understand the nuances of the culture and then teach me all of that so I can then read it ?

If you are truly in search of the 'Grail' of Bible manuscripts you will, but that still doesn't give you the original manuscripts as they are long gone. Like the rest of us you, my friend will always have to rely on those who spend their lives working hard to give us the best that they can offer based on the latest information and methods available. That is why prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit are necessary when reading and studying scripture.

 

[cfyahoo08]

If you are truly in search of the 'Grail' of Bible manuscripts you will and still, that doesn't give you the original manuscripts as they are long gone. Like the rest of us you, my friend will always have to rely on those who spend their lives working hard to give us the best that they can offer based on the latest information and methods available. That is why prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit are necessary when reading and studying scripture.

Have you ever prayed to find the best version of the bible that is available ?

 

[gordonhooker]

Have you ever prayed to find the best version of the bible that is available ?

No, because there isn't one that will suit everybody, you will only ever find translations that are best for you.

I pray before I start reading or studying whichever translation of the Bible I have in my hand and I pray for guidance in understanding after I have read it.

 

[Strong in Him]

oh I had answer that about 5 times now, Because of the sacrifice needed to obtain it in the first place and the integrity of the individuals that gave their lives that it might come forward.

Wait a minute, you seem to be saying that because people suffered to produce the KJV, that shows that it is a better translation.
That makes no sense at all.

How do know know about the personal integrity of the various translators? And does "personal integrity" mean "Spirit filled and led"?

 

[cfyahoo08]

Wait a minute, you seem to be saying that because people suffered to produce the KJV, that shows that it is a better translation.
That makes no sense at all.

How do know know about the personal integrity of the various translators? And does "personal integrity" mean "Spirit filled and led"?

You do it your way and I do it mine, good luck to you.

 

[Chinchilla]

Because the combined councils of the Early Christian Fathers determined they would not be included in the canon. Maybe?

Canon was set approx 300 year after Christ . Early Church fathers quote books like Tobi which are not in our canon nowdays , don't know what and who believe anymore .

 

[Strong in Him]

You do it your way and I do it mine, good luck to you.

I don't mind what you do or believe. I was asking a question about why making personal sacrifices, or even suffering, to produce a translation of the Bible, means that that translation is the best, or most accurate, that there is.
I was also asking how you know about the integrity of other individual Bible translators.

If the answer to both of these is "I'll do it my way"; fair enough. But that doesn't answer my questions.
Maybe you feel that you don't want, or need, to answer to my questions - again, fair enough. But I don't agree with your position and you have said nothing to convince me otherwise; so I guess I'll just carry on meeting with God through the pages of my NIV.

 

[Strong in Him]

And since when did "luck" come into reading God's holy, Spirit inspired word, under the guidance of that same Holy Spirit?

 

[gordonhooker]

Canon was set approx 300 year after Christ . Early Church fathers quote books like Tobi which are not in our canon nowdays , don't know what and who believe anymore .

There are a number of Canons including the current Protestant Canon.

 

[Chinchilla]

There are a number of Canons including the current Protestant Canon.

Yea , how do we know which one is true or if any is true at all ?

 

[cfyahoo08]

There are a number of Canons including the current Protestant Canon.

oh ? Did God update the bible ?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You do it your way and I do it mine, good luck to you.

Uh . . . . he's asking you what your way actually is and you aren't sharing.

 

[cfyahoo08]

Uh . . . . he's asking you what your way actually is and you aren't sharing.

already answer about 5 or 6 times now. you do your thing and I'll do mine.

 

[Chinchilla]

How long did Peleg live before he begot Ragau?

Genesis 1:18
And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau (Septuagint)
And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu: ( KJV)

Who do I trust now ?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

already answer about 5 or 6 times now. you do your thing and I'll do mine.

Seems to me you said you prefer the King James because the writers suffered more putting it together. But those translator's didn't have to die for it. William Tyndale was martyred for translating the Bible. Your logic would make Tyndale's translation a better translation. But you go for King James, so something else you haven't declared is driving your opinion. Please declare what makes the King James better, and this time don't cite the amount of suffering the translators had to endure, because that doesn't work.

 

[cfyahoo08]

Seems to me you said you prefer the King James because the writers suffered more putting it together. But those translator's didn't have to die for it. William Tyndale was martyred for translating the Bible. Your logic would make Tyndale's translation a better translation. But you go for King James, so something else you haven't declared is driving your opinion. Please declare what makes the King James better, and this time don't cite the amount of suffering the translators had to endure, because that doesn't work.

Your inferring I am lying that is not the case. $ motivates later translations pure and simple. I don't know how many times people are going to ask, If the translation Tyndale did was worthy of his Death then it certainly must have made an impact on SOMEONE.

 

[Chinchilla]

Did Buzz slip and tell the he didn't go to the moon ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Your inferring I am lying that is not very kind

No he wasn't. He was saying that your logic is wrong.
If someone/a group of people make sacrifices and even suffer to produce a translation of the Bible, their sacrifice, and suffering, does not prove that their translation is correct.
That is exactly what I was saying; and asking you to show otherwise. You clearly can't.

I've no doubt that cult leaders make sacrifices to produce their "holy" books, and some of them certainly have suffered persecution. But that's because they are wrong.
By your logic, their sacrifices and struggles would make their translations correct and acceptable.

 

[cfyahoo08]

No he wasn't. He was saying that your logic is wrong.
If someone/a group of people make sacrifices and even suffer to produce a translation of the Bible, their sacrifice, and suffering, does not prove that their translation is correct.
That is exactly what I was saying; and asking you to show otherwise. You clearly can't.

I've no doubt that cult leaders make sacrifices to produce their "holy" books, and some of them certainly have suffered persecution. But that's because they are wrong.
By your logic, their sacrifices and struggles would make their translations correct and acceptable.

Seriously , your against the bible.