whew, what a delight

[Arc F1]

Hi all,

I was listening to some of Biden's talking points. I have to say, that for me, hearing someone speak about our problems in a calm and even monologue, not calling anybody any derogatory names, is such a delight over what we've been listening to for the last 4-5 years. I'm, of course, also counting the time that Donald Trump was on the campaign trail.

Former VP Biden talks like a man who really will appoint and listen to wise advice. His is such a calming voice in the tumultuous sea of rhetoric we've had yelling at us for the last 3+ years. No one is deemed unworthy. I can just picture him sitting down with both Republican and Democrat and being respectful to listen to all sides. Not resorting to making up school yard names like the elementary school bully who steals your lunch money and then taunts you about it. It was just such a delight to listen to that man talk.

Now, does he know everything? Surely not! But will he listen and speak respectfully of others whether he agrees with their position or not? I think so. Will he be able to re-establish the ties with our allies that have been so frayed over all this trade tariff crap? Again, I think so. Will we be able to move back into our position of being respected not for our meanness, but for our ability to help and support the hopes and dreams of other nations as we also work to gain the hopes and dreams of our own.

America has, for at least the last 80 years, been a great nation among the nations. In my opinion, Donald Trump has not made us 'great again' but has done his best to tear down all the foundations that made us great to begin with. Our willingness to help. That it's not about every other nation paying their fair share, but about the greatest nation helping out across the globe with all the other nations that desire to live in peace and security. That as a nation, it isn't the money, it's the care and concern that we show to people, God's created people that are just like each one of us, to make all of the globe a better place to live. It isn't all about America. If that's what patriotism is supposed to mean, then I readily admit that I'm no patriot.

I believe that fathers and mothers all across the globe are striving to work to provide for and support their families. Chinese people want to work for the same reasons that American people want to work and we don't need to work to deny them that, just because we have some wicked and slanted view of the world that everything in it has to revolve around the United State of America. We're just a nation on the face of the globe along with some 200 other nations. The people in everyone of those other nations share the same hopes and dreams that we do. Greatness comes in helping those less fortunate. Not rubbing their noses in their despair.

May God truly bless America and every other nation on the face of the globe with the proclamation of the gospel of His Son, Jesus. All other nation struggles are secondary to that work. I'm fairly confident that God is only interested in blessing America if America blesses God in all the work that it does as a nation in helping all the people of the earth. I am confident, that God isn't interested in some willful attempt to be a stumbling block to all the other nations.

Let's put a man in charge of our nation who can help us to achieve peace and security through diplomacy and respect. Not some crybaby who can't even use diplomacy and respect for his own people, let alone anyone else.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

What amazes me is that two different people can watch the same thing and take away completely different views. I just don't see it with Joe. It doesn't bother me that you like him though. I would never fault someone for being active in politics and getting off the couch to vote, regardless of the outcome. Good luck in the upcoming election.

 

[Arc F1]

"Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."
- Joe Biden

He sure does like to sniff and touch people. The guy is definitely odd.

 

[miamited]

He sure does like to sniff and touch people. The guy is definitely odd.

Hi arc,

Well, I'm a hugger and a toucher myself. I believe that it is through touch that we actually make better relationships. I'm actually pretty bummed out with this virus issue that we are discouraged to hug one another. I believe that the best way we really relate to folks is through touching. Put an arm on someone's shoulder when they are sharing important concerns. Hugging them when there is both pain and joy. I do that!

I do understand that there are some who don't like to be touched, but I'm pretty sure that attitude comes from some trauma event in their lives. I do respect that if someone asks me not to hug them...sometimes. We had an associate pastor at our fellowship who didn't like being hugged and I honored that with him most of the time, but when he took a new position and left our fellowship and was called down to stand in front so that we could all say goodbye, I definitely gave him a big hug and he even hugged me back.

Hugs are great ways to really show empathy and sympathy for another. So, I don't have any problem with someone who enjoys the same kind of relation building as I do. I'm not so sure about the sniffing issue and would want to see some evidence that is some regular practice. I mean a lot of times when you're hugging someone your nose is right next to their ear and they could just interpret breathing as sniffing because they hear the intake of air.

If you google 'examples of biden sniffing people' you'll get some pics that show his face close to someone's head, but there really isn't anyway to know whether he's sniffing or just looking at them. One pic shows him putting his head up next to a woman from the back, but he could likely be whispering something to her as much as sniffing. I would agree that if he does sniff people, other than heavy smokers that really, really stink, I'd find that an odd trait.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[hislegacy]

I am quite sure a number of people would be thrilled to have Mr. Biden as President.

- the alt left, because they can control him and push through thier agenda
- certain elements of the justice department whose misdeeds will be swept under the carpet
- foreign government who enjoy walking all over the US and having the US apologize for them walking over them
and not the least, his family members - I mean when he was VP his son flew with him on air force two and blammo, came home with a 1.5 billion dollar deal for his company. Can you imagine what he will make when he is president.

And of course ancillary groups such as the socialist, and those who garner the vote from illegal aliens will be very happy.

Yes, he will be calm, saying peace, peace.... oh, that reminds me of a scripture verse.... never mind

 

[Hank77]

Hugs are great ways to really show empathy and sympathy for another. So, I don't have any problem with someone who enjoys the same kind of relation building as I do. I'm not so sure about the sniffing issue and would want to see some evidence that is some regular practice. I mean a lot of times when you're hugging someone your nose is right next to their ear and they could just interpret breathing as sniffing because they hear the intake of air.

There was one woman who worked as an aid years ago who said Biden sniffed her hair and made her feel uncomfortable.

 

[miamited]

I am quite sure a number of people would be thrilled to have Mr. Biden as President.

- the alt left, because they can control him and push through thier agenda
- certain elements of the justice department whose misdeeds will be swept under the carpet
- foreign government who enjoy walking all over the US and having the US apologize for them walking over them
and not the least, his family members - I mean when he was VP his son flew with him on air force two and blammo, came home with a 1.5 billion dollar deal for his company. Can you imagine what he will make when he is president.

And of course ancillary groups such as the socialist, and those who garner the vote from illegal aliens will be very happy.

Yes, he will be calm, saying peace, peace.... oh, that reminds me of a scripture verse.... never mind

Hey HL,

Yea, all those groups and myself.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

There was one woman who worked as an aid years ago who said Biden sniffed her hair and made her feel uncomfortable.

Hi hank,

Don't doubt that a bit. Doesn't any kind of pervert make, but if it bothers someone, just like when I hug people, I have no problem with them telling me. I've been married for a lot of years and I've had a lot of jobs and I can give personal testimony that in either of those circumstances over all the many, many years that one is involved with others, there are times that someone does something that someone else doesn't like. I've put a lot of life under these feet and I've seen all kinds of things that people do that upset someone else. It happens. However, I don't think that any implication or inference that such behavior means that he's some kind of sexual predator or some wicked person because of it, can be substantiated.

I actually remember times when I worked in a small loan office and the office clerk always wore very heady perfume and I once came up behind her and sniffed at her hair and told her she smelled wonderful. She thanked me and actually blushed. I mean, surely she didn't get up in the morning and put on perfume and not expect people to notice. I can't imagine she just put it on to smell herself. I've been on a lot of dates where a woman will wear an intoxicating perfume and go to hug her and take a sniff and comment on how nice she smells. Isn't that really why men and women wear cologne. I know when I put on my cologne, I'm doing it so that people smell a nice fragrance on me. I've had women hug me and say, "Oh, you smell delicious!" I've never been offended by that. Usually I'm pretty approving of others telling me how nice I smell when I've gone to the trouble of dabbing or splashing on some smell good stuff.

So, I'm really not too surprised or taken aback, with all the colognes and perfumes that are sold, that people take notice and often may sniff at the air to smell the aroma. Just like when you go in the crapper and it stinks, everybody gives a sniff or two and says, "Man, flush will you." Similarly when good fragrances are in the air, just like when the gardenias are in bloom around my house, you go around sniffing. It's how man and animals have always detected smells and aromas. I believe it's a natural phenomenon that we use to fill our nostrils with the surrounding air to get a better take on the fragrance.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Sparagmos]

I would rather fly with a hot shot pilot who runs off at the mouth than someone who needs someone else to tell him how to get the thing back on the ground.

If only a hot shot pilot was running.... instead we have the choice of someone past his prime and the biggest loser ever to hold office.

 

[Hank77]

Hi hank,

Don't doubt that a bit. Doesn't any kind of pervert make, but if it bothers someone, just like when I hug people, I have no problem with them telling me. I've been married for a lot of years and I've had a lot of jobs and I can give personal testimony that in either of those circumstances over all the many, many years that one is involved with others, there are times that someone does something that someone else doesn't like. I've put a lot of life under these feet and I've seen all kinds of things that people do that upset someone else. It happens. However, I don't think that any implication or inference that such behavior means that he's some kind of sexual predator or some wicked person because of it, can be substantiated.

I actually remember times when I worked in a small loan office and the office clerk always wore very heady perfume and I once came up behind her and sniffed at her hair and told her she smelled wonderful. She thanked me and actually blushed. I mean, surely she didn't get up in the morning and put on perfume and not expect people to notice. I can't imagine she just put it on to smell herself. I've been on a lot of dates where a woman will wear an intoxicating perfume and go to hug her and take a sniff and comment on how nice she smells. Isn't that really why men and women wear cologne. I know when I put on my cologne, I'm doing it so that people smell a nice fragrance on me. I've had women hug me and say, "Oh, you smell delicious!" I've never been offended by that. Usually I'm pretty approving of others telling me how nice I smell when I've gone to the trouble of dabbing or splashing on some smell good stuff.

So, I'm really not too surprised or taken aback, with all the colognes and perfumes that are sold, that people take notice and often may sniff at the air to smell the aroma. Just like when you go in the crapper and it stinks, everybody gives a sniff or two and says, "Man, flush will you." Similarly when good fragrances are in the air, just like when the gardenias are in bloom around my house, you go around sniffing. It's how man and animals have always detected smells and aromas. I believe it's a natural phenomenon that we use to fill our nostrils with the surrounding air to get a better take on the fragrance.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

I agree and even some shampoos smell really good.

 

[miamited]

If only a hot shot pilot was running.... instead we have the choice of someone past his prime and the biggest loser ever to hold office.

Hi sparagmos,

Personally, I think they're both past what I'd consider as a man's prime and so I see the choice as being, you're going to get one who's past their prime, now, do I want the biggest loser who bullies and name calls absolutely everyone? Or, would I rather have one who is past his prime but is still able to be relatable in his job with others in a clam and respectful manner.

That's honestly one of the biggest parts of the Obama presidency that I miss. His calm demeanor and affable style. His ability to take some punches and snicker them off. Yet he stood by with steadfast resolve as the legislature fought for a suitable heathcare bill. Not calling people mean and derogatory names because they wouldn't come on board with the plan that the legislature worked out. During his financial crisis he was calm attentive to his cabinet experts and fiscal policy experts and quietly worked through all of the legislation to provide emergency funding for collapsing businesses, that ultimately paid into the government coffers more than was loaned out. I honestly don't recall ever seeing President Obama lash out at anyone. He listened calmly and he was able to let all the noise of disapproval just fall off like water off a duck's back and continue to calmly and thoughtfully move the nation forward through 8 years of leadership.

Now, I fully understand that there are some who are unwilling to agree with that assessment even now that his presidency is over, but that's ok. You see, I, like President Obama know that it's a work of futility to poke and harangue those who don't agree. Let them disagree as we go about doing the work of running the country.

I can relate to such people who are opposed to the good works of some presidents because I live with a wife who is much like them. I rebuilt our entire basement when we bought the home we just lost. moving walls and tearing out the old dropped tile ceiling and berber carpet. I enlarged the bathroom and made it a beautiful bathroom with a whirlpool tub and put in a full kitchen with all the appliances of refrigerator and stove and microwave and dishwasher. I hung 3/4 drywall throughout the entire basement and put down a beautiful hardwood laminate floor and laid tile throughout the kitchen and bedrooms. I worked for about 6 months on that project and tore out the old brick faced fireplace surround and installed marble.

However, there were always a couple of small things that I failed to finish. One was a threshold molding strip where the tile and laminate floor met. The piece I bought was about 4 inches too short to cover the just over 8' wide opening and I just never bothered to get a 3" piece to glue down at the end. To this day, whenever my wife is talking about the basement, the first comment out of her mouth is, "Oh, he's never finished it." I had taken out the last 3 steps because I needed to turn the steps so they didn't interfere with the new enlarged bathroom layout. So I built a landing with the last three original treads and then bought new treads to put in the last step that turned and dropped you to the basement floor. I never took the time to stain that last step to try and match the others, but it's a good solid step and it's one step out of 2,200 sf of a remodeled basement and all she can do is point to that step and tell everyone how I never finished the job. I get it. There are people who honestly can't see the forest because they're standing just too close to and focusing on one tree that is diseased or misshaped. They are unable to step back and look at the grand sweep of an entire basement and say, "wow, that looks wonderful." Although that is usually what the people that she's showing the basement to are saying when she interjects..."Oh, he's never finished it!"

There are people who live their lives like that. Always tearing down and never building up. I get it and I allow that they have as much right to their understanding and ideas as I do. I believe that President Obama also understood these things. Instead of lashing out with pointing fingers and derogatory names, he just kept calmly and respectfully steering the ship.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

Hi again sparagmos,

If I might just make one final comment on this. I believe that when President Obama felt the pressure of the office mounting on his shoulders that he turned to the same source of strength that most of the people on these 'christian only' threads turn to. I don't think I can say that with any conviction for President Trump. I think many of his own supporters even understand that he's a godless demagogue, but for some purpose, they have approved of Him as their leader. From what I'm hearing from many of what that purpose was, I don't think they're getting what their deal with devil had promised them.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[The Barbarian]

Wow is that racist? I am so confused today?

His recognition that poverty primarily affects minorities? Realistic. But there are exceptions. And I'm sure he realizes that.

“And if you look at black and African American youth, to a point where they’ve never done more poorly. There’s no spirit.” -Donald Trump

And the problem is, Trump doesn't know that he's racially profiling kids.

 

[The Barbarian]

As opposed to having any idea of what to do without being told let alone have any ideas of his own.

I notice that, about a month ago, Biden offered up a plan to control the pandemic and offered it to Trump. If Trump had taken his advice, we wouldn't be seeing a huge run-up in new infections and thousands more Americans dead.

 

[disciple Clint]

Hi DC,

Well, I think that when you surround yourself with knowledgeable and bright people who have more knowledge on a substantive issue than you do yourself, doing what they tell you to do might be a good thing. Certainly we'd likely be in a better place today as regards the virus if President Trump had done what he was told to do in attacking it and protecting our people.

I'm also not clear on what evidence you might be basing your claim that VP Biden is some kind of 'yes man' to the people or business concerns, etc. Can you give some examples where Biden has proven to not follow his own mind on some issue? Since the ultimate employer of the President of the United States is the people, wouldn't we want someone who does what we tell them to do, if it's considered by most to be in the best interests of all? I mean, do we really support someone who has constantly and regularly been counseled and encouraged to not tweet out his every thought to the nation, to refuse to pay heed to such counsel?

I just think there are times that we'd like to have someone who does what he is told to do. So, I'm not sure that your complaint is necessarily a bad thing.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

frankly i an not that concerned about it. Biden can return to his basement after the election he wont be needed for anything.

 

[disciple Clint]

If only a hot shot pilot was running.... instead we have the choice of someone past his prime and the biggest loser ever to hold office.

Or Trump who can gets things done or someone who has no idea what to do

 

[The Barbarian]

Or Trump who can gets things done

Let's see... Trump's objectives were:
1. Build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it.
2. Abolish Obamacare and install a better plan
3. Balance the budget in 4 years.

How's he doing, so far? It appears that he is...

...someone who has no idea what to do

Yep.

 

[disciple Clint]

I notice that, about a month ago, Biden offered up a plan to control the pandemic and offered it to Trump. If Trump had taken his advice, we wouldn't be seeing a huge run-up in new infections and thousands more Americans dead.

The problem was that the plan he had was already being done by the Trump administration.

 

[disciple Clint]

Let's see... Trump's objectives were:
1. Build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it.
2. Abolish Obamacare and install a better plan
3. Balance the budget in 4 years.

How's he doing, so far? It appears that he is...



Yep.

Trump Administration Accomplishments | The White House Comments?

 

[The Barbarian]

The problem was that the plan he had was already being done by the Trump administration.

Nope. Trump never did any of it until somewhat later, after Biden gave him the directions.

Biden's proposal to deal with the coronavirus would expand the availability of free testing, focus on the development of a vaccine, provide emergency paid sick leave and "gives all necessary help to workers, families, and small businesses that are hit hard by this crisis."

The former vice president also took swipes at the president's call to suspend most travel from Europe, which Trump announced during a Wednesday night address to the nation. And when it comes to immediate economic relief for families and small businesses, Biden argued that Trump's proposal to cut payroll taxes "won't get the job done."

"We'll never solve this problem if we don't look beyond our borders," Biden said. "We have to confront the coronavirus everywhere, leading a coordinated global response just like we did to the Ebola crisis."

Biden's speech comes as the outbreak upends the 2020 presidential campaign and the daily operations on Capitol Hill. The campaigns of both Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont have canceled some rallies and are starting to move toward "virtual" events. Meanwhile, the U.S. Capitol is temporarily closed to the public in addition to the suspension of White House tours.

Congress' legislative schedule so far remains unchanged, especially as Democrats, Republicans and the White House continue negotiations for a multibillion-dollar emergency relief package to help those affected by the coronavirus.

Trump's campaign responded to the speech as Biden delivered his remarks. The president's team accused Biden of showing "terrible judgment" during past outbreaks,
https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...ith-trump-releases-plan-to-combat-coronavirus

On February 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle” while speaking at a press conference for his coronavirus task force. On Tuesday, he told reporters on Capitol Hill that coronavirus “will go away.” In late February, he speculated that warm weather would kill the virus and stop its spread.
...
Trump has repeatedly claimed that the US was the most prepared country in the world. This is, frankly, Trump’s usual political bluster. The reality is that his administration, with the help of a Republican-controlled Congress, hampered the country’s ability to fight pandemics like Covid-19, as explained by Vox’s Matthew Yglesias:


That’s part of a broader pattern of actual and potential Trump efforts to shut down America’s ability to respond to pandemic disease.


Trump’s first budget proposal contained proposed cuts to the CDC that former Director Tom Frieden warned were “unsafe at any level of enactment.”
...
On February 25, Trump promised that a vaccine would be available soon. “Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,” Trump said during a state visit to India. That simply isn’t possible even if development of a vaccine were prioritized and pushed through the regulatory process as fast as possible — as pharmaceutical executives explained to Trump himself.
Trump’s 7 worst statements on the coronavirus outbreak

If he had simply taken Biden's advice (which Biden determined by consulting with doctors and epidemiologists), tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved.

This, and his impeachment, will be his legacy.

 

[The Barbarian]

Let's see... Trump's objectives were:
1. Build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it.
2. Abolish Obamacare and install a better plan
3. Balance the budget in 4 years.

How's he doing, so far?

Trump Administration Accomplishments

Botched coronavirus response, leading to record high unemployment, shutdowns of many businesses,
the worst economic record since the Great Depressions, and
over 36,000 more Americans dead, than would have happened if he had taken action in a timely manner.

Instead, he called concern over the pandemic "a hoax", and promised it would disappear "like a miracle." Instead, it's getting worse, while other nations are coming out of the pandemic.

Yes, Trump inherited from Obama, a growing economy, one of the longest sustained economic expansions in U.S. history. In less than four years, he managed to turn that into the worst decline since the 1930s.

And his promises? Don't hold your breath; not going to happen. Did you really think he could do any of that?