Whether God Exists I guess

[Discussion]

Spiritual experiences, are excused by atheists, with 'hallucinations', 'low standards for proof' 'drugs' or mental illness.
But they can be more real than anything else, and when things keep happening with God, denying that would be silly.
The things Paul wrote about the Spirit in the new testament we can experience too.

But unbelievers are going to unbelief i guess.

And believer are going to believe I guess, I also find these to be best explained by psychology rather than the Christian God as there are so many other religious people who aren't Christian who get experiences from their God and surely you'd have to accept their testimony to be as strong as your own.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

And believer are going to believe I guess, I also find these to be best explained by psychology rather than the Christian God as there are so many other religious people who aren't Christian who get experiences from their God and surely you'd have to accept their testimony to be as strong as your own.

"Religious experience" isn't the epistemic litmus test of historical truth, whether biblical or non-biblical. Some people think they "experience" a flat-earth, too...................that doesn't make the Earth flat.

 

[Discussion]

"Religious experience" isn't the epistemic litmus test of historical truth, whether biblical or non-biblical. Some people think they "experience" a flat-earth, too...................that doesn't make the Earth flat.

Do you agree that; religious experiences (even ones own) don't necessarily point to God, the growth of Christianity doesn't necessarily point to God and the structure/laws of the universe don't necessarily point to God?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Do you agree that; religious experiences (even ones own) don't necessarily point to God, the growth of Christianity doesn't necessarily point to God and the structure/laws of the universe don't necessarily point to God?

Yes, I agree that there is no causal "necessity" in religious experiences, in the social growth of Christianity, or in the structure/laws of the universe, especially not for the sorts of evidences we'd recognize as compelling in nature.

But the converse of these propositions would be true as well, wouldn't you agree?

 

[All Becomes New]

OP, have you heard of Gary Habermas's Minimal Facts for the Resurrection? This not only gets you to "God exists" but also gets you to "Jesus is God."

 

[jacks]

I am at present an agnostic who is seeking Christ, yet I am lacking reason to, and I was hoping this might help me in my search.

Welcome to CF!

You've started with a great question, that all thinking people have to address. I don't have any idea of what may convince you of God's existences, so I'll just make a couple of general comments. First it isn't a difficult hidden thing you're seeking. God is all around you and within you. I see you've already looked up many arguments for God's existence, but so far none presently ring true for you. That's not unusual or a bad position to be in. Just keep asking questions! The greatest barrier to new knowledge is thinking one already knows. Use your same questioning attitude with other explanations of life and our place within it. As a bad example: do you really not have questions about the certainty of the Big Bang and random chemicals reactions making us what we are today? I'm not arguing these points, just pointing out that much of what we believe may fall below some level of certainty.

Finally, (though I know it is counter intuitive) ask God to reveal Himself to you. Yes, say a prayer, what can it hurt?

 

[TruthInLight]

To know if God exists, you will need to have the desire to learn.

I'll also say that there are things in this world that are lies or do things to deny its creator, God.

 

[Apple Sky]

OP, have you heard of Gary Habermas's Minimal Facts for the Resurrection? This not only gets you to "God exists" but also gets you to "Jesus is God."

Yes we have Gary & we also have five historical facts ......

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