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Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

mark kennedy

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Please post some evidence that there isn't a statue of Elvis Presley on Pluto, or there is one.
I just popped in to check things out, but I must say, that is a new one. You want proof of that?
 
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I just popped in to check things out, but I must say, that is a new one. You want proof of that?

I made this one up before I ever heard of the teapot orbiting the sun. I prefer my one
 
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I made this one up before I ever heard of the teapot orbiting the sun. I prefer my one
Yea I once told someone using their argument, I could argue the moon is made of green cheese. Someone actually demanded I do so, I was like come on guys, that was obviously hyperbole.
 
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I had 3 college courses that taught evolution as fact. I passed them all.
That's curious - I don't see how someone can pass 3 college courses on evolution and not know the evidence for it, or what the theory actually says...

Can you tell us what those courses were called, and which college(s) you took them at?
 
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One was Zoology, one was Archaeology and I don't temembe4r the third. That was 68 years ago.

University of North Carolina,

You say there is evidence for evolution, how about some examples . Why not start with their basic doctrine---natural selection.
 
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One was Zoology, one was Archaeology and I don't temembe4r the third. That was 68 years ago.

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Ah, OK - 68 years ago, that might explain it; you seem to have forgotten what they taught you.

You say there is evidence for evolution, how about some examples . Why not start with their basic doctrine---natural selection.
Go check your course notes.

Examples of natural selection? All living things that die of natural causes.
 
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IOW you have none.

You would if you could but you can't.

And you have no evidence for your claim.

The difference between us is that you actually believe what you are claiming without evidence and want other people to believe it for no reason, while I don't actually believe in a statue of Elvis on Pluto. I'm just using it as a rhetorical device to show your argument for what it is.
 
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Nice way to avoid providing the evidence you think you have.

Apparantly you didn't get the joke.
The gif is from an interview with dawkins concerning an interview he did with some woman of some creationist organization.

She kept saying "show me the evidence, show me the evidence"
Dawkins kept responding with evidence "here, this and that..."
And she kept coming back "show me the evidence, show me the evidence..." while completely ignoring the evidence presented.

Exactly like you keep doing.

There comes a point where it becomes an exercise in futility.
 
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Then present some. Without the supporting evidence, it is just rhetoric.

Plenty of people have presented you with evidence, me included.

Why would I do it again?

Einstein once defined "insanity" as doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results.
 
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You say there is evidence for evolution, how about some examples . Why not start with their basic doctrine---natural selection.

You need evidence that demonstrates natural selection?
Really?

You need it proved to you that natural selection is a valid idea?
The idea, that says that those best equipped to survive in a certain environment, will be most likely to survive?

You don't buy that idea?

You think that the worst equipped to survive, are the most likely to survive?


You know.... there is this line beyond which I can no longer take people seriously. You just crossed it.
 
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Apparantly you didn't get the joke.
The gif is from an interview with dawkins concerning an interview he did with some woman of some creationist organization.

Was that Wendy Wright?
 
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Yes you did and so have all the other evos trying to defend evolution.
-_- but the post you were responding to wasn't about this topic. I don't interrupt conversations with material from previous ones unless said material contradicts claims currently being made. Which is not the case here.

Furthermore, I have never once stated that it is typical for a single mutation to result in a species transition. It is hypothetically possible (I can only imagine it occurring in asexual species and species with hermaphrodites). Plus, the definition of species as it applies to bacteria which uses percent genomic similarity to define species most definitely means that an organism can transition to another species via a single ADDITIONAL mutation (because populations are mutating continuously). However, it is extremely unlikely that a single mutation in a bacterium would be so large as to result in the offspring being a different species than the parent.


That is no different than 2 breeds of dogs mating. All lizards are varieties of the same species---lizard
-_- by that logic, humans and chimpanzees are the same species. How do you not realize that the lowest taxonomy category shared by all lizards is broader than the one humans share with chimps? How can you even justify this view when the capacity to reproduce to produce fertile offspring is such a huge component in species labels in animals?



IOW you have no real evidence for what you are saying. I already knew that.
So sayeth the guy that thinks my bearded dragon is the same species as a Komodo dragon. Even the people that try to categorize animals as "kinds" generally don't try to say that "kinds" means species or assert that all lizards are the same species.


When some bacteria become something other than a bacteria, get back to me.
-_- to assume that bacteria would have to become "not bacteria" to demonstrate evolution is more outrageous than viewing a lineage of dogs giving rise to a 6 legged herbivore as "not evolution". That's a kingdom level classification transition, of which there have been less than 10 in the over 3.5 billion years life has existed on this planet. For that to even occur would likely demand the annihilation of all members of at least one of the already existing kingdoms just so that enough niches are opened up.


Sounds like you need to abandon mutations as a mechanism for evolution. Now you have nothing left to base your defense on.
Lol, what? All I said is that the only thing mutations can't feasibly do is make reproductively incompatible species become compatible. The reason isn't because one can't determine the changes necessary to accomplish it, but rather that the mutations required for it to occur are extremely numerous, specific, and have no selective pressures for them. There are tons of mutations that can result in extra limbs, muscles, the formation of eyes, etc. But in order for two incompatible lineages to re-merge, both populations would have to experience extraordinarily similar mutations in conjunction with mutations that eliminate factors that made them incompatible to begin with, such as differences in chromosome number.

No such thing has ever been observed, so I see no issues here. Care to point the ones you see out? That is, there is no indication ever of organisms that can't reproduce with each other being able to do so later on thanks to mutation. Perhaps from hybridization with a third species that is compatible with both, but never via mutation. Evolution doesn't have to explain phenomena that have never been observed; no theory has to do that.
 
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