Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

[Larniavc]

To show you and others that you don't have any evidence to support anything in the TOE.

By refusing to look at the evidence?

Good luck with that.

 

[USincognito]

Neither Hoxd12 or 13 can cause a leg to become a fin

Adaptive evolution of 5'HoxD genes in the origin and diversification of the cetacean flipper. - PubMed - NCBI

To test whether the evolution of the cetacean forelimb is associated with positive selection or relaxation of Hoxd12 and Hoxd13, we sequenced these genes in a wide range of mammals. In Hoxd12, we found evidence of Darwinian selection associated with both episodes of cetacean forelimb reorganization. In Hoxd13, we found a novel expansion of a polyalanine tract in cetaceans compared with other mammals (17/18 residues vs. 14/15 residues, respectively), lengthening of which has previously been shown to be linked to synpolydactyly in humans and mice. Both genes also show much greater sequence variation among cetaceans than across other mammalian lineages. Our results strongly implicate 5'HoxD genes in the modulation of digit number, web forming, and the high morphological diversity of the cetacean manus.​

 

[dmmesdale]

The offspring can only receive a characteristic that is in the gene pool of its parents. Land animals have genes for legs, not for fins or blowholes. Whale evolution is probably the biggest joke the evolutionist have presented so far. However it is a necessary one or evolution is exposed for the scientific fraud it is.

You accept it on faith alone, because you want to, not on any real scientific evidence.

Facts exist to be ignored or distorted by true believers.

 

[pitabread]

Evidently you don't understand what constitutes verifiable evidence. Cut and paste what they offer on any subject you choose.

Nah, I'm not in the business of doing other's homework for them. You can go to Google Scholar and type in "natural selection" yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, why should I be bothered to cut-and-paste material for you?

The offspring can only receive a characteristic that is in the gene pool of its parents. Land animals have genes for legs, not for fins or blowholes.

Ah, so you aren't familiar with how genes can undergo modifications during reproduction. Since you appear quite unfamiliar with the subject, I suggest starting with Berkley's Evolution 101 site, particularly the section on Mechanisms of Evolution: Welcome to Evolution 101!

And I suppose if you were keen on the underlying genetic mechanisms involving limb->flipper evolution, you could always hit up Google Scholar for that as well.

Good luck.

 

[pitabread]

Facts exist to be ignored or distorted by true believers.

A perfect description of the creationist mindset if there ever was one.

 

[bhsmte]

A more perfect description of the creationist mindset if there ever was one.

That is where those defense mechanisms come in handy.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The offspring can only receive a characteristic that is in the gene pool of its parents.

-_- literally every human born has 40-60 mutations in their DNA that they DON'T share with their parents.

Land animals have genes for legs, not for fins or blowholes.

Funny thing, land animals actually do have genes for certain aquatic characteristics, such as gills. Mutated to the point of not functioning, but still recognizable. And you don't even want to know how much of your genome is dedicated to keeping ancient viral genes dormant.

Whale evolution is probably the biggest joke the evolutionist have presented so far. However it is a necessary one or evolution is exposed for the scientific fraud it is.

Wouldn't explaining the development of any given group of organisms be necessary?

You accept it on faith alone, because you want to, not on any real scientific evidence.

I'd be thrilled if I was wrong, because from my perspective, any explanation for life as we see it today that isn't evolution would be vastly more interesting. I don't have any emotional attachment to the theory whatsoever... the idea of a person being emotionally attached to any given theory is actually kinda funny. You know, like how all the flat Earthers talk about people crying when their globes are taken away. XD a flat planet is far more intriguing an idea to me than a sphere.

 

[AV1611VET]

-_- literally every human born has 40-60 mutations in their DNA that they DON'T share with their parents.

Indeed.

We're stingy by nature, aren't we?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Indeed.

We're stingy by nature, aren't we?

Funny joke. But it does irritate me that some people act as if mutation doesn't happen at all, when it is glaringly obvious that it does.

 

[AV1611VET]

But it does irritate me that some people act as if mutation doesn't happen at all,

Then they don't know my sister.

 

[xianghua]

Funny thing, land animals actually do have genes for certain aquatic characteristics, such as gills. Mutated to the point of not functioning, but still recognizable.

do you have any reference for that claim?

 

[PsychoSarah]

do you have any reference for that claim?

-_- you say as if no one has conversed with you on this matter before.
Learning about evolutionary history
human embryos develop some of the structures related to gills in the womb, which exist only to be later destroyed by other genes through cell death or to move on to become different structures completely unrelated to that initial shape.

 

[xianghua]

-_- you say as if no one has conversed with you on this matter before.
Learning about evolutionary history
human embryos develop some of the structures related to gills in the womb, which exist only to be later destroyed by other genes through cell death or to move on to become different structures completely unrelated to that initial shape.

but you said that land animal has a pseudogene for gills. do you have any reference for that claim? what is the name of this pseudogene?

 

[omega2xx]

-_- literally every human born has 40-60 mutations in their DNA that they DON'T share with their parents.

Mutations don't affect our DNA, they affect our genes

Funny thing, land animals actually do have genes for certain aquatic characteristics, such as gills. Mutated to the point of not functioning, but still recognizable. And you don't even want to know how much of your genome is dedicated to keeping ancient viral genes dormant.

Some genes are dormant but no land animal has aquatic genes.

Wouldn't explaining the development of any given group of organisms be necessary?

Yes. To bad you can't do that.


I'd be thrilled if I was wrong, because from my perspective, any explanation for life as we see it today that isn't evolution would be vastly more interesting. I don't have any emotional attachment to the theory whatsoever... the idea of a person being emotionally attached to any given theory is actually kinda funny. You know, like how all the flat Earthers talk about people crying when their globes are taken away. XD a flat planet is far more intriguing an idea to me than a sphere.[/QUOTE]

Calling Christians "flat earthers" exposes your ignorance of Christianity.

 

[omega2xx]

Nah, I'm not in the business of doing other's homework for them. You can go to Google Scholar and type in "natural selection" yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, why should I be bothered to cut-and-paste material for you?

You would if you could but you can't. It is amusing than none of you evos are willing to take 5 minuets to prove me wrong. You have in effect prove me right. Thanks.

Ah, so you aren't familiar with how genes can undergo modifications during reproduction. Since you appear quite unfamiliar with the subject, I suggest starting with Berkley's Evolution 101 site, particularly the section on Mechanisms of Evolution: Welcome to Evolution 101!

I suggest you cut and past the evidence your link offered. Your faith Darwin and lack of understanding real science is being exposed

And I suppose if you were keen on the underlying genetic mechanisms involving limb->flipper evolution, you could always hit up Google Scholar for that as well.

Good luck.

When I have real science to support me, luck is unnecessary.

 

[omega2xx]

Adaptive evolution of 5'HoxD genes in the origin and diversification of the cetacean flipper. - PubMed - NCBI

To test whether the evolution of the cetacean forelimb is associated with positive selection or relaxation of Hoxd12 and Hoxd13, we sequenced these genes in a wide range of mammals. In Hoxd12, we found evidence of Darwinian selection associated with both episodes of cetacean forelimb reorganization. In Hoxd13, we found a novel expansion of a polyalanine tract in cetaceans compared with other mammals (17/18 residues vs. 14/15 residues, respectively), lengthening of which has previously been shown to be linked to synpolydactyly in humans and mice. Both genes also show much greater sequence variation among cetaceans than across other mammalian lineages. Our results strongly implicate 5'HoxD genes in the modulation of digit number, web forming, and the high morphological diversity of the cetacean manus.​

"Strongly implicates" points to what you want to believe, not to real evidence.

The truth of no gene for fins, not kid with fins. That scientific truth is proved thousands of times ever day and can't be falsified.

 

[omega2xx]

Facts exist to be ignored or distorted by true believers.

To bad evolution has no facts. It is happy to distort real science.

 

[AV1611VET]

To bad evolution has no facts. It is happy to distort real science.

Did you know that "presbyterian" anagrams to "best in prayer"?

 

[omega2xx]

Statistical power to detect disease variants can be increased by weighting candidates by their evidence of natural selection. To demonstrate that this theoretical idea works in practice, we performed an association study of 10 putative resistance variants in 471 severe malaria cases and 474 controls from the Luo in Kenya. We replicated associations at HBB (P=.0008) and CD36 (P=.03) but also showed that the same variants are unusually differentiated in frequency between the Luo and Yoruba (who historically have been exposed to malaria) and the Masai and Kikuyu (who have not been exposed). This empirically demonstrates that combining association analysis with evidence of natural selection can increase power to detect risk variants by orders of magnitude—up to P=.000018 for HBB and P=.00043 for CD36.

Combining Evidence of Natural Selection with Association Analysis Increases Power to Detect Malaria-Resistance Variants - ScienceDirect

Fancy that, evidence of natural selection "increases the power to detect Malaria resistance variants".

When man tinkers with the process, it is no longer natural selection. All you described was similar to vacinating against a disease.

 

[omega2xx]

What's the difference between these genes?

One produces legs, onoe doesn't.