Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

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Well there you go, guess you're qualified to tell why evolution is a religion, then.

Yep. And you thought I was coming from a position of ignorance. I'll be you're really embarrassd now! Ha! that'll teach you.

BTW, I got to be the hero for the girl I "helped" dissect the frog.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yep. And you thought I was coming from a position of ignorance. I'll be you're really embarrassd now! Ha! that'll teach you.

BTW, I got to be the hero for the girl I "helped" dissect the frog.

You've certainly taught me a lot, to be sure.

 

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You've certainly taught me a lot, to be sure.

I'll just bet I have.

BTW, the frog was just the beginning. It really ramped up when I took chemistry 101 in coledge. In a couple of weeks I became the guy the other students went to when the teacher was unavailable. It just fit the way my brain works.

I don't worship science, though. It's just a method to discover how stuff works through experimentation. And when those experiments pan out, you get all sorts of benefits. Some are not seen for generations. We build on each other's work.

 

[HitchSlap]

Ex-con Hovind's face at 5:16 says it all.

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't worship science, though.

It's ok, you needn't worship anything.

 

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It's ok, you needn't worship anything.

I worship who I believe deserves it. Opinions vary, however.

 

[HitchSlap]

I worship who I believe deserves it. Opinions vary, however.

No one is deserving of worship.

 

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More creationist's lies exposed:

 

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No one is deserving of worship.

No mortal man, I agree.

 

[HitchSlap]

No mortal man, I agree.

Then you're free.

 

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Then you're free.

Yes! As MLK Jr. said, Free at last!

 

[HitchSlap]

Here, the younger Hovind lies about how Grand Canyon was formed:

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes! As MLK Jr. said, Free at last!

Helps to know the truth, too.

 

[Everybodyknows]

Creationists who have a mandate before entering the lab are a very different story.

Wow they have labs! What, do they have a sterile room where they read the Bible in white coats and latex gloves?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ex-con Hovind's face at 5:16 says it all.

That guy in that video makes a big deal about "no answer."

He should come here and see all the "no answers" I have to put up with.

 

[HitchSlap]

That guy in that video makes a big deal about "no answer."

He should come here and see all the "no answers" I have to put up with.

You're a legend in your own mind, av.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Research for YEC groups would be based on private donations from those sympathetic to these groups. Some evolutionary science is publicly funded. Other funding comes from foundations or groups sympathetic to secular points of view. Availability of grant money, while not the sole determining factor, influences academic research interests.

YEC science and evolutionary science are biased. They should be. Scientists in either group are quite up front about this.

There is no such thing as YEC science. All professional YEC's do is badly interpret data to lie the the flock.

And secular scientists interpret the data based on secular pre-conceived notions shared by their followers. There's no dishonesty. Both sides are quite open about it.

Great! So we know YEC 'science' wears it's pre-conceived notions like a badge of honor, but what's the secular pre-conceived notions of science? What's the Nobel Award for Science given out for? What research does (did?) the government fund and how was/is it biased? How about University funded research, how does university funded research go with their pre-conceived secular notions? It would seem that these secular notions, if anything, go against their government at least... it seems those YEC politicians don't like the results they're paying for on climate change and yoink their funding. Almost as if those secular scientists followed the evidence no matter where it leads? I'd be interested in your point of view on what these secular researchers are pre-conceiving... what benefit is there in research resulting in a finding that isn't accurate with respect to the evidence? Curious....

Not going along with status quo could be a career risk for a YEC or evolutionary scientist, if that entails challenging underlining belief assumptions about creation or evolution held in either group.

Nonsense. Big Bang went against status-quo, Evolution went against status-quo, Heliocentrism went against status-quo, 75 million year old Dinosaur collagen went against status-quo - every one of these were pardagim shifts that completely up-ended what we thought we knew, but in the end, the Evidence couldn't be ignored and the consensus shifted in line with the evidence.

So there you have it. I've given you a number of examples off the top of my head where the entire scientific community has shifted to account for the evidence that they were all wrong. Now, your turn, Find where any, even just One, YEC 'Scientist' was presented with, then accepted the evidence and changed their mind about a previously held belief. Just one.

No. The scientiic method is not like religion, but many scientists involved in junk science (e.g. evolution fundamentalists and global warming evangelists) defend it like a religion.

The scientists doing the actual work are, well, busy doing the actual work, not arguing about it on non-scientific forums.

Great! Go find all the peer-reviewed scientific research showing where evolution and anthropomorphic climate change is disproven, and present it. I'll wait.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're a legend in your own mind, av.

It's just funny seeing a guy arc & spark about not getting an answer.

He'd last what? a week here? or less?

 

[HitchSlap]

It's just funny seeing a guy arc & spark about not getting an answer.

He'd last what? a week here? or less?

I thought it was funny seeing a guy squirm when he couldn’t weasel his way out of his blatant lies. Nope, couldn’t hide behind a monitor when up on the stage.

 

[tas8831]

Science isn't objective. That's true of YEC science and evolutionary science. As has been noted, "Every instance of scientific inquiry, every study, rests on a vast submerged set of political, moral, and ultimately metaphysical assumptions."

Furthermore, scientific "programs grow out of an extended dialogue within a community of scientists, or due to funding pressures, and either way are the product of the norms, values, and interests of broader society. Thus these norms and values shape not only what qualifies as evidence, but what evidence is even available to be considered in need of explanation." So, YEC science is a product of its community as is secular evolutionary science.

Sources?


So, you are saying that the 'YEC community' is one of either purposeful deception or incompetence? Because what they seem to think constitutes 'evidence' is distorting what others have written, rigging analyses, refusing to admit error, etc.