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You should Not Continue that way of communicating LOL1 J 3:4 says nothing about the Mosaic Law. And its the Mosaic Law that had the commandment about the Sabbath.
The Mosaic Law has ended, including the Sabbath commandment. Therefore, it is not a sin. And it was not a sin for Jesus to break it, either.
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:18
I don't see how else the Israelites knew what sin is if not through the Mosaic Law, so I don't see any room to interpret 1 John 3:4 as referring to something else. Likewise, it is through the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and if it weren't for it, then we wouldn't have known what sin is (Romans 3:20).1 J 3:4 says nothing about the Mosaic Law. And its the Mosaic Law that had the commandment about the Sabbath.
The Mosaic Law has ended, including the Sabbath commandment.
And you believe the book of Genesis?You are making no sense, again. I gave you verses that the Law and Sabbath ended. You are the one who prefers your SDA/Ellen White tradition over them.
The Mosaic Law has ended:
"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
Mt 11:13
"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and regulations (δόγμασιν)."
Eph 2:15
"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25
"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6
"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4
Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11
Including the commandment about Sabbath:
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:18
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23
1 John is not written to ancient Israelites living under the Mosaic Law. Its written to Christians after Christ. Therefore it does not refer to the Mosaic Law.I don't see how else the Israelites knew what sin is if not through the Mosaic Law, so I don't see any room to interpret 1 John 3:4 as referring to something else.
If I see someone doing something I know ends in death and I don't speak up and warn them of their danger I am guilty of murder, If I love them I am forced to warn them by the love I have for them.I dig how you keep sourcing from that well water.
That's not the voice of the one who created all nor our Savior neither.
Your stumbling block is hearing from there and trying to prove from there.
You will never be wrong and always satisfied in your position doing that.
As long as your satisfied that works for me.
If you want to do what's right seek the The Most High through Jesus. When your right in your heart this situation doesn't exist. The Advocate makes things clear in your eyes and in your heart.
Go see your charming trickster being put in check for misrepresenting God's plan and being put in check.
Pay close attention to the entire process. Not only to him being exposed and for not keeping the commands and misleading but see him do what he says he won't do. Watch him circumcize himself and and show everyone that he's been teaching against God's plan and he will act right now. Mind that what he was teaching wrong then your consuming of now. As was designed in God's plan when Saul became Paul.
*Pay attention to all of what going on so you can see that not only Paul is wrong but see James The Just tell Paul that what he was doing (didn't happen) it was a misunderstanding. Creating a lie to cover for their church as thousands were ready to kill them because of Pauls stupidity.
Lastly make sure to watch them continue on with old vows and making sacrifices of animals... despite Jesus sacrificing himself doing away with that practice.
The Church leader (his brother) lying, allowing sacrifices and Paul...being.. Paul
Act 21:23
In other words you place human knowledge above God's knowledge and wisdom. The Bible says you are without excuse for rejecting scripture.I believe the theological message of Genesis. I do not believe symbolism to be literal or poetry to be scientific, though.
You are trying too hard to catch me in something.In other words you place human knowledge above God's knowledge and wisdom. The Bible says you are without excuse for rejecting scripture.
Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Psalm 19: 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.*n1
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,*n2
That was well said, good job!I don't see how else the Israelites knew what sin is if not through the Mosaic Law, so I don't see any room to interpret 1 John 3:4 as referring to something else. Likewise, it is through the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and if it weren't for it, then we wouldn't have known what sin is (Romans 3:20).
The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of the nature of God as it does to describe aspects of the nature of the Mosaic Law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), which is because it is God's instructions for how to act in accordance with those aspects of His nature, while sin is the transgression of the Mosaic Law because it is what is contrary to God's nature. For example, righteousness is an aspect of God's nature while unrighteousness is sin. God's nature is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to act in accordance with or contrary to God's nature are eternally valid, which is why all of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). Instructions for how to act in accordance with God's nature can't be ended without first ending God.
If the God of Israel had given a different set of commands, such as commanding to commit murder instead, then that would have revealed something very different about His nature, so the set of commands that He has given paint a picture that identifies who He is. Keeping the 7th day holy is part of the nature of the God of Israel and I believe in the God of Israel, whose nature is revealed through the Law of Moses. If the New Covenant were made with a different set of laws, then it would be made with a God with a different nature than that of the God of Israel, but the reality is that it is made with the same God with the same nature and therefore the same set of laws (Jeremiah 31:33).
When Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. So the same God who gave the Law to Moses also sent Christ to bless us by spending his ministry teaching us to obey it by word and by example, so there is no difference, and Christians are people who follow Christ. Sin is what is contrary to God's eternal nature, so it remains the same regardless of who 1 John was written to, though it was written by an Israelite, and what he knew to be sin is relevant. Furthermore, 1 John 3:4-10 contrasts those who practice sin with those who practice righteousness and the Mosaic Law is again God's instructions for how to practice righteousness and to refrain from practicing sin.1 John is not written to ancient Israelites living under the Mosaic Law. Its written to Christians after Christ. Therefore it does not refer to the Mosaic Law.
Well this is quite long. Did you cut and paste some of that or is it all an original creation? Either way it was commendable. Keep up the good work.In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of Christ, which includes repenting from breaking the Sabbath. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, including keeping the 7th day holy, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example and being a Christian is about following what Christ taught.
The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of the nature of God as it does to describe aspects of the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the law (Matthew 23:23), which is because it is God's instructions for how to testify about those aspects of His nature, and aspects of His nature are the moral precepts. For instance, our good works testify about God's goodness, which is why they bring glory to Him (Matthew 7:23). Likewise, in 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3), so by following those instructions we are testifying about God's holiness, and by not following those instructions we are testifying that God is not holy.
God could give someone a list of 100 instruction how to testify about His goodness in various situations, which would allow them to extrapolate are moral principle of goodness that all of those instructions have in common, which would lead them to take actions that are examples that moral principle in accordance with those 100 instructions, even in situations that are not part of that list. Correctly understanding the moral principle of goodness will never lead us away from taking actions that are examples of that principle that were part of that list. Someone would be missing the point if they thought that they correctly understood the moral precept of love, so they no longer needed to take actions that are examples of it. Likewise, the Ten Commandments are examples of moral precepts, so you would be missing the point if you do not consider those moral precepts to be inclusive of the Ten Commandments.
There is nothing about some of God's commands having ceremonial aspects that means that we can be acting morally while disobeying those commands. Morality is in regard to what ought to be done and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators give laws according to what they think ought to be done, so for you to suggest that there are aspects of God's law that are not moral aspects is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He commanded those aspects, which is claiming to have greater moral knowledge than God.
God commanded to keep the 7th day holy, so we can either lean on our own understanding by doing something else or we can trust God with all of our heart by keeping the 7th day holy and He will make our way straight.
What do you think is the extent of this authority? For example, did Peter have the authority to change God's command against murder into a command to commit murder? In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for him was if they taught against obeying God's law. So when God commanded to keep the 7th day holy and someone says that we shouldn't obey what God has commanded and should do something else instead, then by considering that person to be a false prophet we would be correctly acting in accordance with what God has instructed His people to do.
1 John you quoted from is not from the beginning of Christ ministry, its written to Christians after Christ.When Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. So the same God who gave the Law to Moses also sent Christ to bless us by spending his ministry teaching us to obey it by word and by example, so there is no difference, and Christians are people who follow Christ. Sin is what is contrary to God's eternal nature, so it remains the same regardless of who 1 John was written to, though it was written by an Israelite, and what he knew to be sin is relevant. Furthermore, 1 John 3:4-10 contrasts those who practice sin with those who practice righteousness and the Mosaic Law is again God's instructions for how to practice righteousness and to refrain from practicing sin.
My friend here is my opinion. We don't obey him with this.Not keeping Gods command is not obeying God period. Its not for us to be Accusers as that is Stans job description. Sab is Fri evening-Sat evening. Its been that way since God Sat on Saturday..
Yes it is. But are we sure it's not us who has sin and disobey his commands?Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and God's law commands to keep the 7th day holy (Exodus 20:8-11), so it is a sin to break the Sabbath, and we are called to repent from our sins. The 7th day is the real Sabbath rest.
Catch you in something? You have told me this in a forum not dedicated to origins and I have never been in that forum here. It's public knowledge so how can I be trying to "catch you" in something?You are trying too hard to catch me in something.
The literal reading of Genesis, the Seventh Day Adventists' YEC, evolution, universe etc. can be discussed in their proper subsections.
This is going off-topic, so I will ignore it.Catch you in something? You have told me this in a forum not dedicated to origins and I have never been in that forum here. It's public knowledge so how can I be trying to "catch you" in something?
In other words you place human knowledge above God's knowledge and wisdom. The Bible says you are without excuse for rejecting scripture.
Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Psalm 19: 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.*n1
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,*n2
PSst..Catch you in something? You have told me this in a forum not dedicated to origins and I have never been in that forum here. It's public knowledge so how can I be trying to "catch you" in something?
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