Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep (died), all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation...

[orbiter]

Peace in Christ.

Yes…I am saying that we shall not mortally/physically die as that is what the truth of the gospel is.

This is the truth of the gospel that we have not heard because of the false teaching of many false prophets. If we have not heard the truth of the gospel, then how can we believe it?

We shall not "perish".....shall not mortally, physically die...but shall have an age-lasting life. We shall continue to physically live in this earth via the life of Jesus being made manifest in our mortal bodies.

John 3:16
for God did so (IN THIS WAY) love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that everyone who is believing in (INTO) him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

He that does the will of God shall REMAIN here in this earth in their mortal bodies throughout the remainder of this age. We are not taken out of this world but kept here...apart from the evil of the world.

1 John 2:17
Literal Standard Version
and the world is passing away, and the desire of it, but he who is doing the will of God, he remains—throughout the age.

“Perishing” is mortally dying…being removed from this earth. The Lord is not willingly that any should perish but to come to repentance and be saved. We must change our minds about the gospel and believe in it and be saved.

Luke 13:1-5 KJV
(1) There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
(2) And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
(3) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
(4) Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
(5) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Perishing is being physically “cut down” from the earth as said in the parable of the barren fig tree:

Luk 13:9 KJV
(9) And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Because of the teachings of the multitudes of false prophets, we have not heard the truth of the gospel….what it truly means for us in this earth. The gospel has been hid from the eyes of their understanding because they are only serving in the ministry for their own belly. They "preach themselves" and not Christ Jesus the Lord and so do not have any understanding of the gospel.

The truth of the gospel is being HID to those who are "PERISHING"....dying mortally.

They have not heard the truth of the gospel nor are they preaching it to any of their church congregations who are all also perishing away to the grave without the manifestation of the age-lasting life of Jesus in their mortal bodies. MANY are going down the broad way to their mortal destruction....being led down by false prophets who come to them in sheep's clothing (posing as ministers of righteousness).

2Co 4:2-5
(2) But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
(3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are PERISHING:
(4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Jesus came into this world to die (in our place) for us. He tasted death for every person.

He mortally died and was resurrected in the flesh so that we do not have to physically die (perish). He gives His flesh for the life of the world…this world. We are to keep His daily sacrifice in our mortal bodies so that His life is made manifest. It is not our life but His life that is to be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.


The false prophets are preaching with the spirit of the antichrist (instead of the true Christ). They do not acknowledge in any of their preaching that Jesus IS COMING in the flesh….our mortal flesh. They are not looking for the life of Jesus to be made manifest in our mortal bodies which shall keep us alive for the duration of this age. We must not sit together with them...or we perish mortally along with them. The deceiver is the false prophet who is preaching "another jesus"....who is the antichrist and not the true Jesus Christ. They are here in this world to steal, kill and destroy rather than bring the life of Jesus to be had by the belief of the gospel of truth.

2Jn 1:7-11 KJV
(7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
(8) Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
(9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
(11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

We are promised an age-lasting life.

1 John 2:25
Young's Literal Translation
and this is the promise that He did promise us -- the life the age-during.

But some will hear this and scoff: where is the promise of His coming?

Scoffers will always say: Where is this age-lasting life in this earth? All things continue (mortal death) as they were from the beginning of the creation. All have died since the dawn of creation. The fathers fell “asleep”….physically died. Death has been the norm since the beginning.

2Pe 3:3-4 KJV
(3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Such people who shall scoff are willingly ignorant that they are still perishing under His wrath. We must strive to enter into His rest.

We are to hear the truth of the gospel and believe. We are to labor to enter into His rest (and out of being under His wrath: our mortal destruction).

Heb 4:9-11 KJV
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
(10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Some will hear the truth of the gospel and will not receive the love of the truth so that they might be saved.
They will continue to follow after their false prophets’ teachings whose presence in their churches is in accordance with the working of Satan for mortal destruction

They will not believe in the truth of the gospel when they will hear it and will behave badly towards it....taking pleasure in their unrighteousness...and all the while think that they are doing God "service" for doing so (being "judges" for God).

2Th 2:8-12 KJV
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Let us instead hear and BELIEVE the TRUTH….the truth of the gospel…and be mortally saved in this earth.

2Th 2:13-14 KJV
(13) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
(14) Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 10
26 “So do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27 What I tell you in the darkness, tell in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim on the housetops. 28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Acts 2:29 “Brothers, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 So because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. 32 It is this Jesus whom God raised up

1 Cor 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ only in this life, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But the fact is, Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man death came, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to our God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” ..

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written: “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” The last Adam was a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy one, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly one, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed

1 Thess 4:
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

Phil 3
8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them mere rubbish, so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 if somehow I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

2 Tim 2:18 men who have gone astray from the truth, claiming that the resurrection has already taken place; and they are jeopardizing the faith of some.