Where is the Great Multitude from Rev 7:13,14

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Jeffrey, 1Thesslaonians5:2 is about the day of the Lord beginning unexpectedly like a thief in the night, at a time when the world is saying peace and safety in 1Thessalonians5:3.

The day of the Lord, also called the day of Christ in 2Thessalonians2:2, is triggered when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act (Daniel 8:13) described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

The transgression of desolation act of the Antichrist revealing himself as the man of sin triggers the beginning of the day of the Lord. Sometime around 3 years into the 7 years.

....a little later... (we are not informed how much later, I guess about month later)....

...once the revealed man of sin becomes the beast-king, the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast-king (Revelation 13:14) will be made and placed on the temple mount, triggering the great tribulation of Matthew 24:15-21.

So....
transgression of desolation triggers the day of the Lord. (sometime around 3 years into the 7 years)
abomination of desolation triggers the great tribulation. (on day 1185 of the 7 years)

What "desolation" means in those two terms is that the temple will be made desolate from worship of the One True God. i.e. the daily sacrifice will be stopped and all priestly temple ordinances activities stopped.

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When will the abomination of desolation be set up on the temple mount ?

From Daniel 12:11-12, 1335 days before Jesus returns. So we subtract 1335 from day 2520, the last day of the seven years, to get day 1185. In the middle part of the seven years, but not on the exact day 1260 midpoint.

Here are couple of timeline charts of involving when the abomination of desolation, AoD, is setup.


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Rev 6:1-2 say what the AC does first in starting the Trib.

You say the beast in Rev 17:8 is the AC. What does that beast do after arising from the bottomless pit? Please keep in mind that Rev 17 occurs very late in the Trib, after the bowls are poured in Rev 16.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 6:1-2 say what the AC does first in starting the Trib.

You say the beast in Rev 17:8 is the AC. What does that beast do after arising from the bottomless pit? Please keep in mind that Rev 17 occurs very late in the Trib, after the bowls are poured in Rev 16.

Jeffrey, instead of using the term "Trib", use the term "7 years" or "70th week". The term "Trib" is a term used by pre-tribbers to mean tribulation - but it is done in error because all of the 7 year 70th week is not tribulation.

Revelation 6:1-2, the rider on the white horse given a crown is the Antichrist person. The crown he is given is that of the king of Israel.

When the person becomes the Antichrist, he will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, to start the 7 years.

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Revelation 17 is not a timeline continuation of Revelation 16.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I am saying that the beast in Revelation 17:8 is two part. (1) the disembodied spirit of the garden of Eden serpent beast who will come out of the bottomless pit to possess (2) the end times beast-king (which the world will see killed and come back to life)

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Jeffrey, instead of using the term "Trib", use the term "7 years" or "70th week". The term "Trib" is a term used by pre-tribbers to mean tribulation - but it is done in error because all of the 7 year 70th week is not tribulation.

Revelation 6:1-2, the rider on the white horse given a crown is the Antichrist person. The crown he is given is that of the king of Israel.

When the person becomes the Antichrist, he will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, to start the 7 years.

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Revelation 17 is not a timeline continuation of Revelation 16.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I am saying that the beast in Revelation 17:8 is two part. (1) the disembodied spirit of the garden of Eden serpent beast who will come out of the bottomless pit to possess (2) the end times beast-king (which the world will see killed and come back to life)

The Trib is the 7-year Trib. It’s a very handy abbreviation.

As to when tribulation starts (God’s 21 judgments of wrath), it starts on day 1 of the Trib, per 1 Th 5:1-3.

To be specific from the book of Rev, God’s wrath (tribulation and great tribulation) officially begins no later than the 2nd seal. Rev 6:4 (NLT): Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere.

In the 2nd seal, wars break out all over this planet, most notably the Gog-Magog war. It’s a “Kill or be killed” time amongst all those left behind after the pre-Trib rapture — the unbelievers who dwell on the earth (Rev 3:10 and Rev 6:10).

What proves that wars can be a wrathful instrument of God? Ezekiel 14:21 (NLT): “Now this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How terrible it will be when all four of these dreadful punishments fall upon Jerusalem—war, famine, wild animals, and disease—destroying all her people and animals.

War is just one of God’s “dreadful punishments.” The 2nd seal is about wars all over this planet. All four forms of God’s wrath are found in Rev 6:8 (ESV): And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.

It is a myth that the beginning phase of the Trib (seals 1-4) is peaceful. It is hell on Earth. Certainly, millions of unbelievers are killed in the 2nd seal. In the 4th seal, 25% of the earth’s population is killed (Rev 6:8). It is a total myth that the early seals are peaceful.

You are dodging what the AC does in the second half of the Trib. He’s involved in wars. He even kills the 2W (Two Witnesses in Rev 11:7). He then goes to Armageddon. The AC is captured along with the false prophet in Rev 19:20). There is no way the AC is the beast in Rev 17:8. There is no alignment in that verse with the AC’s warring trek from Jerusalem to Armageddon.

Please note: no human (as in the AC), on their own power, is on record in the Bible having entered the bottomless pit. The AC is possessed (indwelled) by an evil fallen angel to have any entrance into the bottomless pit. Furthermore, it is the trickery of that fallen angel that makes the AC appear wounded, dead and resurrected. Do you think a human is the beast with seven heads in Rev 17:7? That is a fallen angel as a seven-headed beast. The death and resurrection of the AC is complete fakery.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Jeffrey, instead of using the term "Trib", use the term "7 years" or "70th week". The term "Trib" is a term used by pre-tribbers to mean tribulation - but it is done in error because all of the 7 year 70th week is not tribulation.

Revelation 6:1-2, the rider on the white horse given a crown is the Antichrist person. The crown he is given is that of the king of Israel.

When the person becomes the Antichrist, he will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, to start the 7 years.

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Revelation 17 is not a timeline continuation of Revelation 16.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I am saying that the beast in Revelation 17:8 is two part. (1) the disembodied spirit of the garden of Eden serpent beast who will come out of the bottomless pit to possess (2) the end times beast-king (which the world will see killed and come back to life)

The Trib is the 7-year Trib. It’s a very handy abbreviation.

As to when tribulation starts (God’s 21 judgments of wrath), it starts on day 1 of the Trib, per 1 Th 5:1-3.

To be specific from the book of Rev, God’s wrath (tribulation and great tribulation) officially begins no later than the 2nd seal. Rev 6:4 (NLT): Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere.

In the 2nd seal, wars break out all over this planet, most notably the Gog-Magog war. It’s a “Kill or be killed” time amongst all those left behind after the pre-Trib rapture — the unbelievers who dwell on the earth (Rev 3:10 and Rev 6:10).

What proves that wars can be a wrathful instrument of God? Ezekiel 14:21 (NLT): “Now this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How terrible it will be when all four of these dreadful punishments fall upon Jerusalem—war, famine, wild animals, and disease—destroying all her people and animals.

War is just one of God’s “dreadful punishments.” The 2nd seal is about wars all over this planet. All four forms of God’s wrath are found in Rev 6:8 (ESV): And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.

It is a myth that the beginning phase of the Trib (seals 1-4) is peaceful. It is hell on Earth. Certainly, millions of unbelievers are killed in the 2nd seal. In the 4th seal, 25% of the earth’s population is killed (Rev 6:8). It is a total myth that the early seals are peaceful.

You are dodging what the AC does in the second half of the Trib. He’s involved in wars. He even kills the 2W (Two Witnesses in Rev 11:7). He then goes to Armageddon. The AC is captured along with the false prophet in Rev 19:20). There is no way the AC is the beast in Rev 17:

Please note: no human (as in the AC), on their own power, is on record in the Bible to have entered the bottomless pit. The AC is possessed (indwelled) by an evil fallen angel to have any entrance into the bottomless pit. Furthermore, it is the trickery of the fallen angel that makes the AC appear dead and resurrected. Do you think a human is the beast with seven heads in Rev 17:7? That is a fallen angel as a seven-headed beast. The death and resurrection of the AC is complete fakery.

Jeffrey, instead of using the term "Trib", use the term "7 years" or "70th week". The term "Trib" is a term used by pre-tribbers to mean tribulation - but it is done in error because all of the 7 year 70th week is not tribulation.

Revelation 6:1-2, the rider on the white horse given a crown is the Antichrist person. The crown he is given is that of the king of Israel.

When the person becomes the Antichrist, he will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, to start the 7 years.

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Revelation 17 is not a timeline continuation of Revelation 16.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I am saying that the beast in Revelation 17:8 is two part. (1) the disembodied spirit of the garden of Eden serpent beast who will come out of the bottomless pit to possess (2) the end times beast-king (which the world will see killed and come back to life)

The confirmation of the covenant has to occur before Rev 6:1-2. The AC is not wearing a crown in Rev 6:1-2.

 

[Douggg]

The Trib is the 7-year Trib. It’s a very handy abbreviation.

Jeffery, what bible verse are you basing the "Trib" being 7 years long?

And what act is made to begin the 7 years ?

 

[Douggg]

The Trib is the 7-year Trib. It’s a very handy abbreviation.

As to when tribulation starts (God’s 21 judgments of wrath), it starts on day 1 of the Trib, per 1 Th 5:1-3.

1Thessalonians5:1-3 does not mention 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

In the 2nd seal, wars break out all over this planet, most notably the Gog-Magog war. It’s a “Kill or be killed” time amongst all those left behind after the pre-Trib rapture — the unbelievers who dwell on the earth (Rev 3:10 and Rev 6:10).

No, the Gog/Magog attack on Israel in Ezekiel 39:1-8 is right before the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9, the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, begins.

As far as the seals are concerned, here is a chart of mine summarizing their meaning....

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Jeffery, what bible verse are you basing the "Trib" being 7 years long?

And what act is made to begin the 7 years ?

The opening of the first seal starts the Trib. Therefore, Rev 6:1-2 begin the Trib.

The midpoint of the 7-year Trib is Matt 24:15. Please note that the seven seals and the seven trumpets are fulfilled before the midpoint. The 7th trumpet sounds in Rev 11:15. The bowl judgments (Rev 16) all occur in the second half of the Trib.

Rev 11:2-3 start their fulfillment shortly before the midpoint. They start two timeframes: 1,260 days and 42 months. There are only 30 days in each Jewish month. Therefore, both timeframes are 3.5 years long.

Again, both of those timeframes start just before the midpoint. The proof to their starting is Rev 11:2 is said to already be started in Matt 24:16. Rev 11:3 is started in Matt 24:14.

Those are two timeframes that both represent 3.5 years. They start just before the midpoint. That means each proves that the second half of the Trib (bowl judgments) is 3.5 years long. Therefore, the first half (seal and trumpet judgments) occur over 3.5 years in the first half of the Trib.

If the second half is 3.5 years long, the first half is also 3.5 years long. They total seven years.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Jeffrey, instead of using the term "Trib", use the term "7 years" or "70th week". The term "Trib" is a term used by pre-tribbers to mean tribulation - but it is done in error because all of the 7 year 70th week is not tribulation.

Revelation 6:1-2, the rider on the white horse given a crown is the Antichrist person. The crown he is given is that of the king of Israel.

When the person becomes the Antichrist, he will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, to start the 7 years.

--------------------------------------------
Revelation 17 is not a timeline continuation of Revelation 16.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I am saying that the beast in Revelation 17:8 is two part. (1) the disembodied spirit of the garden of Eden serpent beast who will come out of the bottomless pit to possess (2) the end times beast-king (which the world will see killed and come back to life)

The pre-Trib rapture occurs before the 7-year Trib.

Daniel 9:27 (ESV): And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

One “week” in Daniel-speak is seven years. Half of the week (seven years) means 3.5 years. Notice he mentions “half of the week” before the midpoint (“abominations” — Matt 24:15). The first half of the Trib is thereby proven to be 3.5 years long.

Each half of the Trib is 3.5 years long. The only exception is the second half, per Matt 24:22 (ESV): And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Only God knows how much the second half “will be cut short.”

 

[Douggg]

The opening of the first seal starts the Trib. Therefore, Rev 6:1-2 begin the Trib.

The seals on the book have already been opened , otherwise we would not know what each sealed portion of the book contained.

Revelation 5 is about Jesus being found worthy to open the seals on the book.

There has to be an act that begins the 7 years.

The pre-Trib rapture occurs before the 7-year Trib.

Daniel 9:27 (ESV): And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

One “week” in Daniel-speak is seven years. Half of the week (seven years) means 3.5 years. Notice he mentions “half of the week” before the midpoint (“abominations” — Matt 24:15). The first half of the Trib is thereby proven to be 3.5 years long.

Jeffrey, the ESV is a recent translation first published in 2001. The KJV for Daniel 9:27 is....

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you see how the two different translations could lead to two different conclusions ?

What is the covenant that the Antichrist will be involved with that begins the 7 years ?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

The seals on the book have already been opened , otherwise we would not know what each sealed portion of the book contained.

Revelation 5 is about Jesus being found worthy to open the seals on the book.

There has to be an act that begins the 7 years.


Jeffrey, the ESV is a recent translation first published in 2001. The KJV for Daniel 9:27 is....

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you see how the two different translations could lead to two different conclusions ?

What is the covenant that the Antichrist will be involved with that begins the 7 years ?

Rev 5 has not been fulfilled. That is the course of actions that lead to opening the seals. You can’t prove Rev 5 has been fulfilled. Therefore, the seals have not been opened.

Here’s the first sentence in Rev 17:8 (ESV): The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction.

That’s about a beast that has given up on anymore possible evil. He’s done as a beast. He’s going to his own destruction.

Here are Rev 19:19-20 (ESV); And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. 20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence[e] had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Those two verses are about the last actions of the AC and the false prophet. They were not forlorn and giving up and going to destruction. They fight to the end, in Armageddon.

There’s no comparison to the beast’s final moments in Rev 17:8. This demolishes your claim that the AC was killed and resurrected.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

The seals on the book have already been opened , otherwise we would not know what each sealed portion of the book contained.

Revelation 5 is about Jesus being found worthy to open the seals on the book.

There has to be an act that begins the 7 years.


Jeffrey, the ESV is a recent translation first published in 2001. The KJV for Daniel 9:27 is....

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you see how the two different translations could lead to two different conclusions ?

What is the covenant that the Antichrist will be involved with that begins the 7 years ?

My limited understanding of the covenant is that the AC establishes peace. This is what precedes the Trib, as stated in 1 Th 5:1-3. The AC is a liar, so peace is short-lived.

 

[Douggg]

My limited understanding of the covenant is that the AC establishes peace. This is what precedes the Trib, as stated in 1 Th 5:1-3. The AC is a liar, so peace is short-lived.

If it is peace, then it is not tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

My limited understanding of the covenant is that the AC establishes peace. This is what precedes the Trib, as stated in 1 Th 5:1-3. The AC is a liar, so peace is short-lived.

1Thessalonians5:1-3 does not state "Trib", but the beginning of the "the day of the Lord"

Jeffrey, you are trying to make the term "Trib" a bible concept for the 7years 70th week. But it is erroneous to do so.

The Pre-Trib terminology is erroneous. Use Pre-70th week instead.

From the pre-trib research center...

"The Pre-Trib Research Center (PTRC) is committed to the study, proclamation, teaching, and defense of the pre-tribulation rapture (pre-70th week of Daniel) and related end-time prophecy."

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

If it is peace, then it is not tribulation.

! Th 5:1-3.

1Thessalonians5:1-3 does not state "Trib", but the beginning of the "the day of the Lord"

Jeffrey, you are trying to make the term "Trib" a bible concept for the 7years 70th week. But it is erroneous to do so.

The Pre-Trib terminology is erroneous. Use Pre-70th week instead.

From the pre-trib research center...

"The Pre-Trib Research Center (PTRC) is committed to the study, proclamation, teaching, and defense of the pre-tribulation rapture (pre-70th week of Daniel) and related end-time prophecy."

1Thessalonians5:1-3 does not state "Trib", but the beginning of the "the day of the Lord"

Jeffrey, you are trying to make the term "Trib" a bible concept for the 7years 70th week. But it is erroneous to do so.

The Pre-Trib terminology is erroneous. Use Pre-70th week instead.

From the pre-trib research center...

"The Pre-Trib Research Center (PTRC) is committed to the study, proclamation, teaching, and defense of the pre-tribulation rapture (pre-70th week of Daniel) and related end-time prophecy."

The 70th week is the Trib: seven years of the 21 judgments of God’s wrath. That is also known as the Day of the Lord.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

1Thessalonians5:1-3 does not state "Trib", but the beginning of the "the day of the Lord"

Jeffrey, you are trying to make the term "Trib" a bible concept for the 7years 70th week. But it is erroneous to do so.

The Pre-Trib terminology is erroneous. Use Pre-70th week instead.

From the pre-trib research center...

"The Pre-Trib Research Center (PTRC) is committed to the study, proclamation, teaching, and defense of the pre-tribulation rapture (pre-70th week of Daniel) and related end-time prophecy."

The seals on the book have already been opened , otherwise we would not know what each sealed portion of the book contained.

Revelation 5 is about Jesus being found worthy to open the seals on the book.

There has to be an act that begins the 7 years.


Jeffrey, the ESV is a recent translation first published in 2001. The KJV for Daniel 9:27 is....

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you see how the two different translations could lead to two different conclusions ?

What is the covenant that the Antichrist will be involved with that begins the 7 years?

Daniel 9:27 is a very concise summary of the covenant and the 7-year Trib.

The covenant occurs prior to the 70th week. The covenant leads to very temporary worldwide peace. That is the “peace and safety” or “peace and security” in 1 Th 5:3.

The “cause of the sacrifice and the oblation to cease” is the first half of the 70th week.

The abomination is the midpoint (Matt 24:15).

The “poured onto the desolate” is about the bowl judgments of the second half of the Trib (the seven years of 21 judgments of God’s wrath).

 

[Douggg]

! Th 5:1-3.



The 70th week is the Trib: seven years of the 21 judgments of God’s wrath. That is also known as the Day of the Lord.

The day of the Lord, also called the day of Christ in 2Thessalonians2:2, does not begin until the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

That act does not happen until about 3 years into the seven years. The judgments of God's wrath by the trumpets and bowls (vials) do not begin until after then.

The seven years begin with the involvement of the Antichrist will the covenant in Daniel 9:27. You indicated that covenant will be a covenant of peace. If it a covenant of peace, then the world is not in tribulation at that point.

The Pre-trib terminology is erroneous, as not all of the 7 years is tribulation. Instead use Pre-70th week.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

The day of the Lord, also called the day of Christ in 2Thessalonians2:2, does not begin until the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

That act does not happen until about 3 years into the seven years. The judgments of God's wrath by the trumpets and bowls (vials) do not begin until after then.

The seven years begin with the involvement of the Antichrist will the covenant in Daniel 9:27. You indicated that covenant will be a covenant of peace. If it a covenant of peace, then the world is not in tribulation at that point.

The Pre-trib terminology is erroneous, as not all of the 7 years is tribulation. Instead use Pre-70th week.

We cannot agree. I’m done on this subject.

 

[Douggg]

The covenant occurs prior to the 70th week. The covenant leads to very temporary worldwide peace. That is the “peace and safety” or “peace and security” in 1 Th 5:3.

No, the confirming (making of in the ESV) of the covenant begins the 70th week. The 70th week once begun, the stopping of the daily sacrifice will be in the middle of the 70th week.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

If it is peace, then it is not tribulation.

No, the confirming (making of in the ESV) of the covenant begins the 70th week. The 70th week once begun, the stopping of the daily sacrifice will be in the middle of the 70th week.

Daniel 9:27 (ESV): And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

"And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week," means the covenant is made first, before the 70th week.

Then the first half is discussed: "and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering."

Then the midpoint is mentioned: " And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate,"

Then, the second half is summarized: "until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Rev 6:1-2 (ESV): Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

The AC bursts onto the scene "conquering, and to conquer" putting an end to sacrifice and offering.