Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok, but you haven't really answered my earlier questions. Here is an easier one. Can you, please, Explain how you understand Daniel 9, in its entirety. Thanks

1. start with leviticus, which tells the children of isreal what will happen if they do not obey God, focus on the final form of discipline, where God said he would destroy the city and sanctuary and leave them desolate, then look at what babylon did in fulfillment of that discipline, which daniel partook of when he was taken from nim home almost 70 years earlier
Pay particular attention to this part of the passage
lev 26: 34 ‘and the land shall enjoy its sabbaths all the days of the desolation, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the days of its desolation it will observe the rest which it did not observe on your sabbaths, while you were living on it.

2. Look what Jeremiah prophesied, a passage which daniel spoke of in the opening of daniel 9

First you have the warning, repent, and in doing so dwell in the land that God gave you and your fathers FOREVER! Further proof Isreal was given the land as an eternal promise)

Jeremiah 25:5–6 (NKJV): They said, ‘Repent now everyone of his evil way and his evil doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord has given to you and your fathers forever and ever.

Then tood them since they failed to yeild to the prophets he would punish them

Jeremiah 25:8–14 (NKJV): Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Because you have not heard My words, 9 behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ says the Lord, ‘and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land, against its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations. 10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp. 11 And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
12 ‘Then it will come to pass, when seventy years are completed, that I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity,’ says the Lord; ‘and I will make it a perpetual desolation. 13 So I will bring on that land all My words which I have pronounced against it, all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah has prophesied concerning all the nations. 14 (For many nations and great kings shall be served by them also; and I will repay them according to their deeds and according to the works of their own hands.)’ ”

In other words, as told in leviticus, god will take the people and make them slaves, he will make the land desolate, and this punishment will last for 70 years. This wil include jerusalem and the temple, this was fullfilled in dan 1

Daniel 1:1–7 (NKJV): In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king’s delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king. 6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. 7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.

So you see, Daniel witnessed the desolation of jerusalem and the temple, and the casting out of the people into babylon as promised in Lev, prophesied by Jeremiah,

3. While in captivity, daniel studied Gods word, at about 70 years in, daniel was reading and came across the words of Jeremiah, knowing the 70 years was up, and his PEOPLE were still in sin, Daniel did what moses did and many other before him did and offered a prayer asking God for mercy

1. He said he understood

Daniel 9:1–2 (NKJV): In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the lineage of the Medes, who was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans—2 in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, understood by the books the number of the years specified by the word of the Lord through Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

He made prayer of supplication. confessing his own sins and the sins of the people

Daniel 9:3–7 (NKJV): Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes. 4 And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession,

we have sinned and committed iniquity, we have done wickedly and rebelled, even by departing from Your precepts and Your judgments. 6 Neither have we heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. 7 O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to us shame of face, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.

He admitted, this disaster came ipon us bsed on gods word in the law, and jeremiahs prophecy

Daniel 9:11–15 (NKJV): Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. 12 And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.
13 “As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us;

He admits, they did not do what they were supposed to do, and turn from thwir sins, and understand the truth, they were still in sin theirfor god has kep this disaster in mind because god is righteous,, when he says he will do something, he does it

Vs 13 continued
yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice.

Then daniel asks for mercy, for his people, for his land, for the holy city jerusalem, and the house of God.

Daniel 9:16–19 (NKJV): O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

Then gabriel is sent to give him his answer

70 week (490 years) are given for his people (isreal) and holy city (jerusalem) and the sanctuary (temple)

This is the context of daniel 9 and Gabriels prophesy. The church is in. NO way part of any of these thngs, the things refere to the punishment god warned, he fortold would occure, he carried out and daniels plea for Gods mercy concerning Isreal and Jerusalem and the temple. NOTHING ELSE,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Makes zero sense.
The Temple was rebuilt. It is all in Nehemiah and Ezra.
I cannot understand what you are trying to say.
How could Jesus leave Jerusalem desolate if it was already desolate?
(See above question.)

Tell me a time from babylon where isreal lived in peace and did not live as slave to foriegn nations.

By the time rome fell, isreal had been utterly destroyed and the people acattered as prophesied, until then, it was under rule of gentile empires, ie, it was desolate

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.


G2640
κατάλειμμα
kataleimma
kat-al'-ime-mah
From G2641; a remainder, that is, (by implication) a few: - remnant.
Total KJV occurrences: 1


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Yes romans 9

Yet in romans 11,he says there will always be a remnant, and one day ALL Israel will be saved,

3000 is not all.

 

[DavidPT]

So the proposed "going forth of the word" was roughly 483 BC. And the coming of the "anointed one" was 49 years later in roughly 434 BC. -- And this first "anointed one" is Jesus?

And then some 434 years later (at the year zero) a second "anointed one" is Jesus again?

And these events were fulfilled according to the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9?

So you want me to believe that 483 BC, some 50 year after the text was written and the ink was still wet, was the "time of the end" and the words of the book and the "seals" could be opened??

And where everyone else is gullible enough to believe this malarkey, you want me to believe it also?


And this is only the start of the problems with this ~interpretation~.
Thanks,
DaDad

But the text isn't suggesting, assuming Jesus is meant, that He then comes twice like you are wrongly assuming. The first 49 years are part of the preparation for His anticipated coming when that time arrives, and not that He actually comes at the end of the 49 years, and then somehow shows up again some 434 years later. But I do believe there are two comings of Jesus in the text, the 2nd coming involving His return in our future. If I am correct that verse 27 has to do with the end of the age and the AC, Jesus has to return at the end of the beast's 42 month reign in order to fulfill Revelation 19 for one.

 

[BABerean2]

Yes romans 9

Yet in romans 11,he says there will always be a remnant, and one day ALL Israel will be saved,

3000 is not all.

Make up your mind. Is it "all" or is it a "remnant", or is it really "all of the remnant"?

You are changing the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the words "then", or "when", which are adverbs of timing, in Romans 11:26.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:26 is describing the manner of salvation by being grafted back into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ, which is described in verses 23 and 24.

You are claiming that all of the Israelites are "partially blinded", instead of the fact that part are blinded and part are not blinded, as revealed in Romans 11:1-5, and Romans 9:27, and Acts chapter 2.

There is no path to salvation outside of the Church, in Romans chapter 11.

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[DavidPT]

And these events were fulfilled according to the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9?

So you want me to believe that 483 BC, some 50 year after the text was written and the ink was still wet, was the "time of the end" and the words of the book and the "seals" could be opened??

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

(whoso readeth, let him understand: )---if that is referring to the prophecies in the book of Daniel, how did Jesus expect anyone reading those prophecies to understand them if the words were still shut up? IMO Jesus began unsealing those prophecies once He came. So, if any of these commentators we see on the web, find in books, etc, if any of their interpretations included the fulfillment of these sealed prophecies before Christ even came, such as where some interpretations insert Antiochus into the texts, those interpretations couldn't possibly be correct since the words would have still been shut up until Jesus came in order to open up those words for understanding.

 

[DavidPT]

THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS-----Who are the house of Israel meaning in this context? After what days?

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
(Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost in the verse above, and revealed that God had made Jesus the Messiah. This is a confirmation of the New Covenant found in Matthew 26:28.)

I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE----who shall He be their God? We all know it's the house of Israel, but who is being meant by the house of Israel in this context? (See the verse above.)

NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM----How has this already been fulfilled? Provide an example or two how the house of Israel has already fulfilled this.

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Those who are in the New Covenant have their own internal teacher, in the form of the Holy Spirit.

FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS----Can't be meaning the church then, can it?

It means all races of people who have had their sins covered by the blood of Christ.
Almost all of the first members of the Church were Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in later. In Romans 1:16 and Matthew 10:5-7 we find that the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews.

THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE----when was this fulfilled? Even after Christ died and rose, there were the events in 70 AD where millions of His people, the ones that would have been unrighteous, apparently----were slaughtered at the time. Apparently then, He was still remembering their sins at that point anyway.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
(Fulfilled at Calvary.)

Every human on the planet is viewed in sin by God, without the blood of Jesus. That was true before 70 AD, and during 70AD, and today.

BTW, try and answer the questions if you would, that way one can try and see how you are arriving at your conclusions.


Something else I wanted to add.

FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS----why wasn't this true in 70 AD then?

It was for those who had placed their faith in Christ and left the city, before the final siege. The warning is found below.

Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

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Very good answers IMO. You did good here. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I will consider what all you submitted then.

 

[A71]

Ok, except we are told that the 490 years do not simply mark a period of punishment, they also will usher in the following changes. How do you explain these changes?

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1. start with leviticus, which tells the children of isreal what will happen if they do not obey God, focus on the final form of discipline, where God said he would destroy the city and sanctuary and leave them desolate, then look at what babylon did in fulfillment of that discipline, which daniel partook of when he was taken from nim home almost 70 years earlier
Pay particular attention to this part of the passage
lev 26: 34 ‘and the land shall enjoy its sabbaths all the days of the desolation, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the days of its desolation it will observe the rest which it did not observe on your sabbaths, while you were living on it.

2. Look what Jeremiah prophesied, a passage which daniel spoke of in the opening of daniel 9

First you have the warning, repent, and in doing so dwell in the land that God gave you and your fathers FOREVER! Further proof Isreal was given the land as an eternal promise)

Jeremiah 25:5–6 (NKJV): They said, ‘Repent now everyone of his evil way and his evil doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord has given to you and your fathers forever and ever.

Then tood them since they failed to yeild to the prophets he would punish them

Jeremiah 25:8–14 (NKJV): Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Because you have not heard My words, 9 behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ says the Lord, ‘and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land, against its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations. 10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp. 11 And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
12 ‘Then it will come to pass, when seventy years are completed, that I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity,’ says the Lord; ‘and I will make it a perpetual desolation. 13 So I will bring on that land all My words which I have pronounced against it, all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah has prophesied concerning all the nations. 14 (For many nations and great kings shall be served by them also; and I will repay them according to their deeds and according to the works of their own hands.)’ ”

In other words, as told in leviticus, god will take the people and make them slaves, he will make the land desolate, and this punishment will last for 70 years. This wil include jerusalem and the temple, this was fullfilled in dan 1

Daniel 1:1–7 (NKJV): In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king’s delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king. 6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. 7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.

So you see, Daniel witnessed the desolation of jerusalem and the temple, and the casting out of the people into babylon as promised in Lev, prophesied by Jeremiah,

3. While in captivity, daniel studied Gods word, at about 70 years in, daniel was reading and came across the words of Jeremiah, knowing the 70 years was up, and his PEOPLE were still in sin, Daniel did what moses did and many other before him did and offered a prayer asking God for mercy

1. He said he understood

Daniel 9:1–2 (NKJV): In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the lineage of the Medes, who was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans—2 in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, understood by the books the number of the years specified by the word of the Lord through Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

He made prayer of supplication. confessing his own sins and the sins of the people

Daniel 9:3–7 (NKJV): Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes. 4 And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession,

we have sinned and committed iniquity, we have done wickedly and rebelled, even by departing from Your precepts and Your judgments. 6 Neither have we heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. 7 O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to us shame of face, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.

He admitted, this disaster came ipon us bsed on gods word in the law, and jeremiahs prophecy

Daniel 9:11–15 (NKJV): Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. 12 And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.
13 “As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us;

He admits, they did not do what they were supposed to do, and turn from thwir sins, and understand the truth, they were still in sin theirfor god has kep this disaster in mind because god is righteous,, when he says he will do something, he does it

Vs 13 continued
yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice.

Then daniel asks for mercy, for his people, for his land, for the holy city jerusalem, and the house of God.

Daniel 9:16–19 (NKJV): O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

Then gabriel is sent to give him his answer

70 week (490 years) are given for his people (isreal) and holy city (jerusalem) and the sanctuary (temple)

This is the context of daniel 9 and Gabriels prophesy. The church is in. NO way part of any of these thngs, the things refere to the punishment god warned, he fortold would occure, he carried out and daniels plea for Gods mercy concerning Isreal and Jerusalem and the temple. NOTHING ELSE,

 

[Original Happy Camper]

http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/457.html

this one has a polaroid of Ezra getting a decree from Artaxerxes in 457 -- but the artwork in the one with Nehemiah is cooler

Here is the Biblical time line of prophecy with no gaps. The seventeth week is a prophecy about the ministry of Jesus and the gospel going to the Gentiles because 70 weeks wre determined upon my people to spread the Gospel to all nations which they did not do.

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[DavidPT]

Lotta gaps in yall's theories...

You mean in the theories that see no gaps? If yes, then I agree, since I tend to take what you said to be meaning, as in a lot of holes in yall's theories.

 

[Anto9us]

I really like that "chart with no gaps", Original Happy Camper -- thx.

I just don't understand 1844 as the last entry

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Make up your mind. Is it "all" or is it a "remnant", or is it really "all of the remnant"?

You are changing the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the words "then", or "when", which are adverbs of timing, in Romans 11:26.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:26 is describing the manner of salvation by being grafted back into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ, which is described in verses 23 and 24.

You are claiming that all of the Israelites are "partially blinded", instead of the fact that part are blinded and part are not blinded, as revealed in Romans 11:1-5, and Romans 9:27, and Acts chapter 2.

There is no path to salvation outside of the Church, in Romans chapter 11.

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All isreal will be saved.

That is the OT prophesy. That is pauls words in Romand 11

You keep a remant so as to not destroy a bloodline by mixing it, so a future promise can be fulfilled

If the promise of all isreal will not be saved, there is no purpose to have any remnant.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok, except we are told that the 490 years do not simply mark a period of punishment, they also will usher in the following changes. How do you explain these changes?

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Did you even read what i posted?

I never said 490 years was a period of punishment, i said that is the time God will alot for isreal and the city and the temple, to finish their sin, to put an end to it, to make reconciliation, and bring in eternal righteousness.

Not all of those things has been accomplished.

Now, do you have a question about what i said, or not? You asked, i answered

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I really like that "chart with no gaps", Original Happy Camper -- thx.

These verses come to mind concerning this thread.
2 Timothy 3:6-8 King James Version (KJV)
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is the Biblical time line of prophecy with no gaps. The seventeth week is a prophecy about the ministry of Jesus and the gospel going to the Gentiles because 70 weeks wre determined upon my people to spread the Gospel to all nations which they did not do.

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

There is a problem with your timeline,

Essiah the prince was introduced to isreal as her king 7leteral days before he died, not 3.5 years.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

All isreal will be saved.

That is the OT prophesy. That is pauls words in Romand 11

You keep a remant so as to not destroy a bloodline by mixing it, so a future promise can be fulfilled

If the promise of all isreal will not be saved, there is no purpose to have any remnant.

<<<<<All isreal will be saved>>>>
Literal Isreal or SPIRITUAL Isreal?

 

[DavidPT]

Daniel 11 refers primarily to the depradations of Antiochus Epiphanes, which occurred over 200 years prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. How could Luke be referring to the same period?

It couldn't be meaning that though, since those words would have still been shut up during Antiochus' days.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

This leads to this----

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

None of those things happened during Antiochus' time, what is found in vrse 1 and 2 of Daniel 12. Notice how Daniel 12 begins----And at that time. At what time? How can anyone determine that unless it was already previously disclosed? Such as at the end of chapter 11 then.



Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

That has to include shutting up the words in Daniel 12:1-2 as well. And if some of Daniel 11 is fulfilled during the time of Daniel 12-1, those words would be shut up as well, even to the time of the end. When would be the time of the end? IMO it would be when Jesus initially came the first time, that that would start the time of the end commencing, but not that the actual end came during that time, but that His first coming gets the ball rolling to where it eventually leads to the literal end, meaning the end of this age.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Essiah the prince

This statement is not found in the KJV of the Bible.

PLease provide scripture for this statement

 

[A71]

Yes I read it. You are very defensive.
Can you then explain how these things (below)
Will be accomplished, if they are not already accomplished?

to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Did you even read what i posted?

I never said 490 years was a period of punishment, i said that is the time God will alot for isreal and the city and the temple, to finish their sin, to put an end to it, to make reconciliation, and bring in eternal righteousness.

Not all of those things has been accomplished.

Now, do you have a question about what i said, or not? You asked, i answered

 

[BABerean2]

If the promise of all isreal will not be saved, there is no purpose to have any remnant.

Are you saying that every person of Jewish bloodline will be saved?


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