Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

[oldrunner]

So if a war kicks off and Israel is nuked, what then?

Israel and Jerusalem in the present are in bible prophecy,
But Dan 9 is predominantly about the first Century.

The present state that calls itself Israel is not really Israelite in any way, so you can't really superimpose Dan 9 onto it anyway, even if you want.

Once the fig tree does start to have leaves, i.e. Once the Temple is rebuilt and Levitical practices are resumed, then it will be game on. But this is not what Dan 9 prophesies.
In fact, Jesus was clear that his return has a nebulous time factor, and Revelation confirms this, so trying to cut and paste Dan 9 onto the present time is not only wrong, it is dangerous.

Nice to see you are open to the possibility!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is a difficult one for me.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


I tend to conclude these are referring to the same events. And since I can't fathom that an AOD took place around 70 AD, I therefore conclude Matthew 24:15-16 has to be referring to a future event, IOW this was never fulfilled in the 1st century. And in order to remain consistent since I conclude Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are referring to the same events, I have no choice but to then conclude the same has to be true of Luke 21:20-21, that it too has to be referring to a future event. That's where I find consulting Daniel 11 and those verses I submitted earlier, as being possibly helpful to me in trying to make sense out of how Luke 21:20-21 can even be a future event though on the surface it appears that it can't.

The way to see it is there is a difference betweem a desolation if the city in Luke 21, and an abomination which makes desolate a holy place in matt 24.

Luke 21 is the fulfill ent of the people deatroying the city and sanctuary which occured in 70AD. Where as matt 24 speaks of the holy place being desecrated or made unclean bu an idol of some type, making it desolate, which did not occure in 70 ad and is yet a future event.

The word abomination means a destestable or unclean thing, in the OT it usually refered to an IDOL, the term abomination which makes desolate was an OT term which meant an idol or some inlean object was placed in a holy place making the holy place desolateor unusable, anitiochus epiphanies is a good example, when he desolated the most holy place with an idol, which caused the maccabean revolt,

 

[A71]

Nice to see you are open to the possibility!

Yes but the fig tree will never bear fruit...just leaves

Matthew 21:18 In the morning, when he returned to the city, he was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the side of the road, he went to it and found nothing at all on it but leaves. Then he said to it, “May no fruit ever come from you again!”

 

[DavidPT]

Don't be ridiculous. I am not using tactics. Please refrain from this kind of assertion.

Matthew 24 is very plain. Jesus refers to Daniel 9:27, which is the 70th week, in regards to his generation.

Maybe I was wrong then, but looking at it from my angle, and the fact you allegedly have the better arguments, why not let the arguments speak for themselves rather than having to add all of these unnecessary comments that only serve to make ones' opponent to look like the one who is less likely to be correct?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I did not call anyone a fool, so quit the melodramatic umbrage, it does no-one any good. All you are doing is ramping up a discussion into a bun fight. Is that your intention here? We are all having a civilized discussion, so why would you do this? Please tone down your rhetoric.

Regarding your response, I did not say that all of Daniel was fulfilled, I said all of Daniel's sealed prophecies were fulfilled.

You sad if someone was foolish enough to basically disagree with you, i been around the block my friend, i am not a fool, you want to tey to excuse yourself, then so be it, if you disagree with someone just say it, calling them. Foolish if they disagree with you is areogant at the least,

What you call civilized is not civilized at all, it is why most people look at christains and think hey are nothing but a hateful group of people who attack each other,

And no, i do not believe all the stuff sealed has not yet been completed. But i wont call you foolish if you think they are

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why? Everything you say is based on the rickety plank of gap theory...well phony plank really. Jesus spoke to his generation in Matthew 24, and told them Daniel 9:27 would be fulfilled in their generation. Very simple really

See what imean, and you call this civilised, your not even willing to discuss, account rdi g to you people who disagree with you are fools, their doctrine is phony, etc etc.

Jesus said no such thing, he spoke of the last days, the things thedisciples asked would happen before he returned. In fact he said immdiately after those things in daniel 9, there would be such a great tribulation so severe no flesh would survive so he would have to intervine and return in the clouds,

Since he has yet to return, and nothing in ad 70 could even cme close to possibly destroying all life on earth, it could not have been fulfilled

But hey, if you disagree, thats fine,

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[Eternally Grateful]

Don't be ridiculous. I am not using tactics. Please refrain from this kind of assertion.

Matthew 24 is very plain. Jesus refers to Daniel 9:27, which is the 70th week, in regards to his generation.

Nope, jesus refered to the end, events which would happen just prior to his return, and immdiately before the great tri ulation.

 

[A71]

I am assuming that you accept that Daniel 9:24-27 is a prophecy that prophesies of Jesus coming to earth and being King of Israel. I.E. it is a Messianic prophecy.

I am assuming that you would argue, or are arguing, that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, correct?

 

[BABerean2]

Do you deny that Moses made that law to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years in Deuteronomy 31:9-13?

Yes. Moses reviewed the covenant made at Mount Sinai.

Do you deny that it is the same covenant that Israel broke in the passage below?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Do you deny that Christ fulfilled the New Covenant at Calvary?

The New Covenant: Bob George

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[BABerean2]

If your going to respond to me respond to my whole post, you left out most of jeremiah 31 where it was proven you are incorrect, for the prophesy to be filfilled. All would have to come true.

The new covanent hebrews spoke of was the eyernal covenant for all mankind, not just israel

Do you deny that Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found quoted word-for-word, and fulfilled by Christ during the first century, in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18?

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[Eternally Grateful]

I am assuming that you accept that Daniel 9:24-27 is a prophecy that prophesies of Jesus coming to earth and being King of Israel. I.E. it is a Messianic prophecy.

I am assuming that you would argue, or are arguing, that Jesus fulfilled this prophecy, correct?

Dan 9 is gods answer to daniels prayer concerning the city of jerusalem, the temple and the nation of Isreal

We should keep it in that context. The only account of the messiah in the prophesy is he will be introduced as messiah after the 69th week and cut of (killed) immediately after,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you deny that Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found quoted word-for-word, and fulfilled by Christ during the first century, in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18?

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So your going to keep ignoring the rest of jeremiah?

Why wont you respond to my origional post on this subject?

 

[A71]

Dan 9 is gods answer to daniels prayer concerning the city of jerusalem, the temple and the nation of Isreal

We should keep it in that context. The only account of the messiah in the prophesy is he will be introduced as messiah after the 69th week and cut of (killed) immediately after,

So what does verse 24 mean, to you?

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[oldrunner]

Yes but the fig tree will never bear fruit...just leaves

Matthew 21:18 In the morning, when he returned to the city, he was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the side of the road, he went to it and found nothing at all on it but leaves. Then he said to it, “May no fruit ever come from you again!”

Zep. 3, looks like some fruit to me.

 

[BABerean2]

So your going to keep ignoring the rest of jeremiah?

Why wont you respond to my origional post on this subject?

What passage of Jeremiah 31 is quoted word-for-word in the New Testament?

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[A71]

Zep. 3, looks like some fruit to me.

Yup, but that was in 600BC, two and half millennia ago

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So what does verse 24 mean, to you?

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

They people (Isreal)
Thy holy city (Jerusalem)

Again, in answer to daniels prayer


Daniel 9:13–19 (NKJV): As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!
16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

That is the context of daniel 9. To make the prophesy mean anything else is to take it out of context.

70weeks are determined for YOUR PEOPLE An YOU HOLY CITY

It woll be fulfilld when isreal repents of her sin, and jerusalem has been fully restored

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What passage of Jeremiah 31 is quoted word-for-word in the New Testament?

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What does that have to do with the rest of the passage,

Has it been fulfilled? If it has not, the test has not either

 

[A71]

They people (Isreal)
Thy holy city (Jerusalem)

Again, in answer to daniels prayer


Daniel 9:13–19 (NKJV): As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!
16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

That is the context of daniel 9. To make the prophesy mean anything else is to take it out of context.

70weeks are determined for YOUR PEOPLE An YOU HOLY CITY

It woll be fulfilld when isreal repents of her sin, and jerusalem has been fully restored

But the verse, what do you think it refers to?

to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But the verse, what do you think it refers to?

I just told you,

The answer to daniels prayer, his people will stop their sin, and the city will be restored, and prophesy concerning hs people will be completed