Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?

[Fizzywig]

Yippeeeeeee! My 100th "Like".........

Not bad for a belligerent, incoherent non-Christian.

So saying, departs bursting with pride.......

 

[MehGuy]

Your idea of justified and righteous proves to me that you were never a true Christian in the first place! Righteousness comes from Christ in you and you are justified by God, not by yourself.

Never said they came within myself. I don't believe in God anymore, but the concepts and reasons for my feelings came from external sources.

I personally have never seen a Christian, truly justified, that takes joy in another's pain!

I've seen plenty. Same for other religions too. I used to get into Youtube fights with Muslims and we'd both be describing in detail how much we would burn for being in the wrong religion, lol.

The Bible says that God will never leave you and Jesus says that he will never lose who God gives him.....how does a true Christian, with Christ in him, fall away from that?

Start a new thread for that. Honestly I don't care if I was "ever" a Christian or not. I still think I can offer some insight on how some believers are.

 

[awitch]

Well, in my experience, I have never seen such an action.

Stick around; it's fairly common here.

Now any true Christian would know that there is the existence of Hell and a place for unbelievers...that's what the Bible teaches and, if truthful, a Christian will acknowledge the existence of hell....

Indeed, which is why I couldn't be a Christian.

if a non-believer takes acceptation to that, so be it!...

I think most non-Christians, including myself, don't take an exception to the idea of hell. We're not Christian, so we don't believe it exists in the first place. We find exception in the Christian's constant reminders and glee when we're just minding our own business.

but don't perpetrate that a Christian is evil and enjoys telling others their going to hell....if you have seen that, then you probably have not been around true Christians!

Ah, "True Christians". See, the far right Christians say progressive Christians aren't "true Christians" because they don't take a literal interpretation of scripture. And the progressive Christians say the far right aren't "true Christians" because they're so focused on hate and bigotry. We understand there is a spectrum of beliefs when it comes to Christianity and there are certainly Christians camps out in the fringes. But you're all still "just Christians" to us.

 

[Born Again2004]

reminders and glee

There you go again.. totally unfounded!

 

[Born Again2004]

I don't believe in God anymore,

Sorry and respectively say, I don't think you ever did!

I still think I can offer some insight on how some believers are.

nly from an Atheist void of God view, sorry to say!

 

[Fizzywig]

Sorry and respectively say, I don't think you ever did!

nly from an Atheist void of God view, sorry to say!

Well, you really do not sound too sorry.

Really it does seem time for you to understand, as the NT puts it ( but is said in various ways by various Scriptures of our world ) the "spirit blows where it will".

Every human being has eyes to see and ears to hear. The human beings you are in effect condemning and saying have no insight have, on this forum, to my own eyes and ears, shown more evidence of "the spirit" in terms of the fruits spoken of by St Paul than you.

Obviously, you will have no interest in my saying this, me being just one more "void of God view".

Fair enough.

 

[awitch]

There you go again.. totally unfounded!

The OP in this very thread is nothing but a passive aggressive reminder that all us non-Christians are going to hell.

 

[MehGuy]

Sorry and respectively say, I don't think you ever did!

Give the amount of emotional damage I received from Christianity, it was very real to me. I'm talking dangerous infatuation with suicide as a result.

And is that even Biblically accurate? I thought God revealed his existence to everyone? Albeit in a subtle and soft way? That no one is without excuse.. I obviously don't believe it, but if you follow the Bible you should?

nly from an Atheist void of God view, sorry to say!

Lol, I'm not even saying I'm very scripturally accurate myself (even though I do think some of my views on scripture are probably more honest than many Christians would like to consider.. lol). But I do think I have brutally evaluated my faith and am willing to share things others might not. From infatuation for martyrdom, to the glee from the thought of people I didn't like going to hell. It's not pretty, but it should help shed an important light on how the psychology of some believers are like.

 

[Fizzywig]

Give the amount of emotional damage I received from Christianity, it was very real to me. I'm talking dangerous infatuation with suicide as a result.

And is that even Biblically accurate? I thought God revealed his existence to everyone? Albeit in a subtle and soft way? That no one is without excuse.. I obviously don't believe it, but if you follow the Bible you should?



Lol, I'm not even saying I'm very scripturally accurate myself (even though I do think some of my views on scripture are probably more honest than many Christians would like to consider.. lol). But I do think I have brutally evaluated my faith and am willing to share things others might not. From infatuation for martyrdom, to the glee from the thought of people I didn't like going to hell. It's not pretty, but it should help shed an important light on how the psychology of some believers are like.

You are right in my own experience.........to be honest about our own feelings, however unwelcome they may be to some idealised image of ourselves we might seek to portray to others.

Mindfulness - born of meditation - has the effect of "slowing" the mind down and that moment is seen when the dear old lady getting in my way is seen as an object of pure irritation I just want to smash out of my way.

 

[bhsmte]

Sorry and respectively say, I don't think you ever did!

nly from an Atheist void of God view, sorry to say!

Another mind reader. Telling people what they believed or didnt believe.

This site seems to have many mind readers.

 

[Born Again2004]

Give the amount of emotional damage I received from Christianity

For me, that statement is an Oxymoron....God in you is not going to cause damage but if you let others cause the damage, well you have other issues.

I'm talking dangerous infatuation with suicide as a result.

That definitely isn't from God, that is coming from somewhere else...I'm very sorry you feel this way and, it's not how it is intended to be!

I thought God revealed his existence to everyone?

No, quite honestly he reveals himself through his son and with out him in you, you are not expected to understand any of this.
I mean this with all sincerity and compassion as I can through the written word and, if you are not insulted....please PM me anytime and I would love to hear how you became a Christian before all this!

 

[Fizzywig]

No, quite honestly he reveals himself through his son and with out him in you, you are not expected to understand any of this.
I mean this with all sincerity and compassion as I can through the written word and, if you are not insulted....please PM me anytime and I would love to hear how you became a Christian before all this!

I see you are now striving to be good.......well done.

But now, after the "true Christian" scenario we haved moved onto the "natural man" as opposed to the "spiritual man" scenario.

By the way, which do you presume yourself to be?

 

[Rajni]

Sure, So far, I miss a lot of things concerning you...why don't you answer the question are you: Christian, Pagan or Christo-Pagan. You have listed yourself (for scrutiny) as a Pagan but you chastise me for calling you Pagan...well, please clear this up....which are you?

I am me. However, as to the question of why my faith-label
on CF is "pagan", the answer is where you apparently haven't
looked yet [click here], and it's my final answer in this now
incredibly off-topic exchange.



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[Born Again2004]

Good bye and best wishes!

 

[Zoness]

Please show the threads of such Christians!

Uh, let's start with this one. This one is a perfect example.

 

[Born Again2004]

The OP in this very thread is nothing but a passive aggressive reminder that all us non-Christians are going to hell.

Sorry you feel that it is a "passive-aggressive" reminder that you are going to hell. For the record, if you are not a Christian and you don't believe in God, how can you believe in a Hell and why should it matter?

 

[awitch]

Sorry you feel that it is a "passive-aggressive" reminder that you are going to hell. For the record, if you are not a Christian and you don't believe in God, how can you believe in a Hell and why should it matter?

I do believe in god(s), just not yours, or at best, not as described by scripture/Christians.

I don't believe in hell or heaven. I have some ideas about the afterlife, but just like everyone elses' they really are just speculation and wishful thinking.

It still matters because it affects how we're treated by some Christians who think we're evil, we hate god, we're doomed, we're lost, we're empty, we're angry, and that we deserve an eternal torturous punishment just for the crime of thinking something different. It's quite off-putting.

 

[Noxot]

see how fearful demons are of God?... the guy (Jesus) that said of the people who murdered and tortured him "father forgive them for they know not what they do" and to the thief on the cross that trusted Jesus he replied "today you shall be with me in paradise"

Luke 8:28 (YLT)
and having seen Jesus, and having cried out, he fell before him, and with a loud voice, said, `What--to me and to thee, Jesus, Son of God Most High? I beseech thee, mayest thou not afflict me!'

I pray he sees Jesus and I know he will eventually. demons are insane because they are blinded of who God is. that is what hell is. you must be born from above. it is very painful being evil and having to face God who is true beauty. God deserves nothing less than beauty for himself, not ugliness. what torments it would be to suffocate around those things that are meant to give you life. it is worst of all when God tells you to come near but you don't hear him, being too smug in your own inferior appetites to even notice the healing balm pertained for you.

reality is objective, that is part of it, but we are already in hell or heaven. we are already spirits.

 

[Born Again2004]

I do believe in god(s), just not yours, or at best, not as described by scripture/Christians.

I don't believe in hell or heaven. I have some ideas about the afterlife, but just like everyone elses' they really are just speculation and wishful thinking.

It still matters because it affects how we're treated by some Christians who think we're evil, we hate god, we're doomed, we're lost, we're empty, we're angry, and that we deserve an eternal torturous punishment just for the crime of thinking something different. It's quite off-putting.

I have no foundation, including scripture that it is deserving. All I know what I read...God is always talking about a process of separation... wheat from Chaff and Goats from Sheep. I know you don't believe and that is your business but what I understand our final separation is based on whether we have Jesus in us or not.
And though hell and burning references are definitely in the Bible. Saying that I can't say that is exactly what Hell is but I feel confident that we all come from spirit and back to spirit we will go and Hell may very well be a place, for eternity, that is absolutely void of God. For me that would be intolerable and I DO NOT wish that on anyone!

 

[Fizzywig]

I do believe in god(s), just not yours, or at best, not as described by scripture/Christians.

I don't believe in hell or heaven. I have some ideas about the afterlife, but just like everyone elses' they really are just speculation and wishful thinking.

It still matters because it affects how we're treated by some Christians who think we're evil, we hate god, we're doomed, we're lost, we're empty, we're angry, and that we deserve an eternal torturous punishment just for the crime of thinking something different. It's quite off-putting.

Hey, don't forget the "hardened heart". Just heard it again over on the One for Israel thread.