Where is Eden?

Paulus59 said:

It's possible it was a real garden, but more than anything I think it symbolizes a spiritual garden that we have in the Kingdom of God.

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A real garden with spiritual meaning.

The same way the Israelites ate lamb and put lambs blood on the lintel was literal but also spoke of Christ being the lamb come to save us. Many times a real event also had spiritual significance.

Stephen P said:

Nope: have you read any of my posts

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I guess not

Stephen P said:

I have a map of where one possibility of Eden is.

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let's see the map then

Stephen P said:

Hey how did "Let's all of us find the best fitting place for Eden"
Become ALL about the Tree of life?
I made the point that the tree of Life is still meant to be covered as possible a Physical location evidence.
But if it had been flooded out, then what is the Tree of Life in Rev - I personally believe "what was will come again".
But

Seriously, are some people saying we are going to Hell for trying to find out Physical Evidence?
Then Thomas the Apostle is in deep trouble, and it's totally against how Jesus treated him.
Thomas asked for PHYSICAL evidence, just like I'm doing.

EDEN
ASSUME PHYSICAL
GIVEN in this post PANGEA
WHERE DOES THE BIBLE VERSES and the LOCATIONS FIT?

It's one of those game mental detective excercises where you start with 100, be told the number is odd, so that cuts out 50 numbers, then get told that it is higher than 90 so that leave 5 possibilities.
Theres no more clues, BUT at least there's not 100 possibilities any more.

NOTE! I'm going to do another post using the Modern Map so the two can be compared.

It doesn't matter if it is Physical or not..
My post is IF it was Physical where would it be, and would the locations fit other parts of Genesis/Bible references?

So far, I have only had a bit of help with the map from a few people.
What I was looking for is for people to put bottles (ideas) on the wall and we discuss, and add/remove them so we end up with something.
But I put up 4 and all the discussion seems to be on 2 bottles, but only a few have addressed them few are saying yea or nay.

One person mentioned Tethys sea was Middle East and that it may have ruled out Middle East as a valid Location for East of Eden.

FANTASTIC
That has also cut out a point I had about the Flood refuse from The Garden becoming the best oil.
But that ALSO means that I do have to think about that theory any more ad can concentrate elsewhere.

People are saying there's no evidence, but they are not looking for evidence themselves.
I want Investigators, not debators.
You have the maps etc (attached to various posts)
Can we look at this?
s.

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What I've been saying is that the location of the garden of Eden has been lost due to the world wide flood of Noah...and the resulting moving, dividing and manipulation of the earths surface.

Stephen P said:

What is the saying? I don't believe Queen Elizabeth exists because Ive never shaken her hand. ..
It's the Thomas effect.
No one is taking one idea and going with it.

The problem is exactly what is happening in this thread.
There is no one else seriously looking at the physical and comparing it with the Torah..
So of course it hasn't been proven.

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yes, they have. By not proven, I mean it has not been found. There been many theories of where it is. There is a place in Africa that they think matches what the bible says, and a spot under water that no one has gone done it to see. Problem is, during the flood things were moved, so exactness is simply not possible. The Tree of life and the river are in heaven. And it could be that God moved them to heaven. It does not say there was ever more than one. It doesn't matter. We might discover the actual location, we will never be allowed to find the actual Tree. God kicked Adam and Eve out to keep them from eating of it and living forever, so no way will He allow us, as sinners, to have access to it. Not until after the re4surrection and we are taken to heaven. A tree that bears 12 different kinds of fruit would be known. There have been farmers who grafted everal different kinds to one tree, but it is known they did it.

Stephen P said:

That's interesting and good comments Spark, however
Yeah about hiding, If God can Physically, as a man, tell a storm to stop with a few words - that's an average of 1.3 Billion volt potential - God can place fire over the Physical Tree, and stop anything getting to it.. THe Earth has PLENTY of
Why does the Torah say the Tree was overturned (buried) if they MEANT to say Oh - Wait it burned or It went to heaven.
To me:
There was some reason that God said the Tree was still around.
There was some reason that God did NOT mention the Tree and Eden being destroyed after the Flood.

Verse about Tree in heaven please?
I believe we are resurrected in body and placed back on Earth, not Heaven?
Jesus resurrected people on earth, that stayed on Earth: there's no writing that any of the people pre/post Cross death went up to Heaven?.

"In the New Testament, Jesus is said to have raised several persons from death. These resurrections included the daughter of Jairus shortly after death, a young man in the midst of his own funeral procession, and Lazarus of Bethany, who had been buried for four days."
"Matthew 27:52. Matthew 27:52 is the fifty-second verse of the twenty-seventh chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. This verse describes some of the events that occurred upon death of Jesus, particularly contains the report that tombs broke open and the saints inside were resurrected."
ie These people ALL Lived on Earth = 100%;
Bible mentioned that all raised to Heaven = 0%.

To me: that is a Sign just like the other accepted signs like the 3 days of Jonah.
Taking another 10 seconds to Google,
MATT 12:40 "Jesus said, A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah"
Now that is a confronting message..

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Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The whole city is in heaven now. At the resurrection we are taken to heaven to be with Jesus for the 1000 years. It is after the 1000 years that the judgment of the wicked takes place and the city comes down to this earth. We will inherit this earth as our home, but not until after the 1000 and the earth is remade.


2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.



Those resurrected in the bible, on this earth, are not resurrected unto eternal life, but to the life of this world. It is not until His return that the resurrected are taken to heaven for the 1000 years while the earth is left desolate, destroyed, burned up. The others that might have been taken to heaven after they were resurrected are the ones that came up when Jesus died on the cross.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

It does not say what became of them---and, of course, there was Moses--resurrected after His death and taken to heaven--Jude 9.

Sabertooth said:

No one knows for sure where it is located. Two similar theories presume that the Tree of Life might have been further concealed by changes in geography brought on by either

• Noah's Flood or
• Peleg's "division" [Genesis 10:25].

It is interesting to note that Adam & Eve were exiled to the east of Eden. If Noah grew up in the same neighborhood, his ark's landing on Mt. Ararat [modern Turkey] could give us a clue. (The Ark had neither power, nor a rudder, so it only drifted. )

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That makes sense. But it doesn't stop people from making superstitions syncretized with Biblical Christianity, that the Tree of Life is still someplace on Earth. In fact, I heard of this theory that the Bermuda Triangle is where an island with Eden may be in. And that angels guarding Eden with flaming swords might "spiritually" explain why some ships and planes went missing in the Triangle.
https://www.bermuda-attractions.com/bermuda2_000053.htm
Take Flight 19. The wreck of one of the planes with the propellers, the tail, and body were all found in crashed rust by divers in the sandy Bahamian banks.
Flight 19 was lost because of miscalculation of distance and latitude by the lead pilots as well as not being able to communicate with the Naval stations in Florida.