Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

The 70th week has never been fulfilled and is pending as we speak

You cannot point to one event scheduled for this time frame decreed for Israel that has already been fulfilled and support your claim with any accurate historical record .... not one

Each and every one of the events of the coming 70th week will literally be fulfilled to the letter

.... give it your best shot

Explain the following scriptures for starters and tell the forum that they have already been fulfilled [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44; 36; 37; 38; 39; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14]

Give your evidence of the fulfillment of each

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
The 70th week has never been fulfilled and is pending as we speak

You cannot point to one event scheduled for this time frame decreed for Israel that has already been fulfilled and support your claim with any accurate historical record .... not one

Each and every one of the events of the coming 70th week will literally be fulfilled to the letter

.... give it your best shot

Explain the following scriptures for starters and tell the forum that they have already been fulfilled [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44; 36; 37; 38; 39; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14]

Give your evidence of the fulfillment of each

You are a very tricky guy ,you mix the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9:23-27 who have been fulfilled in the time of Christ with other prophecies like
[Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44; 36; 37; 38; 39; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14] who have not been fulfilled yet.

Why don't you tell us which part of the 70 weeks allowed to the Jews to cease their transgression and to anoint their Messiah mentioned in Daniel 9:23-27,including the consequences of their refusal ... have not been fulfilled about 2,000 years ago ?

Daniel 9:23-27
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

All of the events of the 69 weeks decreed have been fulfilled

None of the events of 70th week have been fulfilled

You cannot give even one event listed in the prophetic scriptures scheduled for the coming 70th week .... not one

And I will await your responses for the other passages of scripture that I gave you for proving that the Lord is finished with His nation of Israel

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
All of the events of the 69 weeks decreed have been fulfilled

None of the events of 70th week have been fulfilled

You cannot give even one event listed in the prophetic scriptures scheduled for the coming 70th week .... not one

Can you tell us about the events of the 70 th week mentioned in Daniel 9:23-27 who have not been fulfilled in the 70 weeks decreed by God ?

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

The scriptures that you refer to include 9:24 by the way

Here are the events still pending and not any have yet to be fulfilled, but are scheduled for the time of the end of this present age

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy [all of the listed objectives will be fulfilled during the coming 70th week].

and the people of the prince that shall come [the people of the little horn of Daniel's visions during the 70th week] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant [that He has with Israel] with many [the returned believing remnant of Israel] for one week [the 70th]:

and in the midst of the week he [the little horn] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [worship of the believing remnant of Israel at the wall], and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [upon the little horn and his followers].

Now do what I asked you to do related to the several passages of prophecy that I have given you .... quit fooling around

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
The scriptures that you refer to include 9:24 by the way

Here are the events still pending and not any have yet to be fulfilled, but are scheduled for the time of the end of this present age

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The Jews have rejected Jesus their Messiah and have continued their transgression ----Fulfilled

here the consequence who have happened in 70 AD

-and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood [of blood], and unto the end of the war desolations are determined --- Fulfilled in 70 AD

Straightshot said:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,-----Fulfilled by Jesus blood on the Cross

Fulfilled by Jesus blood on the Cross
The new covenant which is Jesus have caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

Straightshot said:
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ---- Fulfilled

Fulfilled
The abomination is the Jews killing Jesus which caused their desolation

Straightshot said:
Now do what I asked you to do related to the several passages of prophecy that I have given you .... quit fooling around

The other prophecies that you quoted are still pending and will happen in a still unknown time in the future.

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

Your preteristic treatment of 70 AD is in error

The Lord's discourse is all about the future 70th week decreed for Israel, not 70 AD

The events listed for His view have never occurred at any time in the past when all taken together

If you think so, then list them all for the forum and prove their past literal fulfillment

Now explain all of the future events in the prophetic scriptures Your preteristricthat I gave you and tell the forum who will be involved

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
Your preteristic treatment of 70 AD is in error

The Lord's discourse is all about the future 70th week decreed for Israel, not 70 AD

-The 70 weeks of Daniel 9:23-27 is not Jesus discourse .
-The 70 weeks of Daniel were fulfilled during the time of Jesus and the apostles.
Jesus is the Messiah that the Jew refused to anoint....they committed the abomination which was that Jesus was put to death ...which caused their desolation ie the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD....millions of Jews were killed ---the desolation ended in a flood of blood and the dispersion of the survivor Jews among the gentiles nations.

keras · Dec 16, 2016

Riberra said:
The 70 weeks of Daniel 9:23-27 is not Jesus discourse .
-The 70 weeks of Daniel were fulfilled in the time of the apostles.

Sorry, Riberra, you are wrong about the 70th 'week' being fulfilled. here is no 7 year period around the time of Jesus' first Advent. His ministry was 3 years, maybe 3.5, but no further 3.5 year period is mentioned.
Daniel and Revelation give the 1260 day, 42 month and 3 1/2 year periods that will clearly make up the last seven years before Jesus Returns.

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

keras said:
Sorry, Riberra, you are wrong about the 70th 'week' being fulfilled. here is no 7 year period around the time of Jesus' first Advent. His ministry was 3 years, maybe 3.5, but no further 3.5 year period is mentioned.
Daniel and Revelation give the 1260 day, 42 month and 3 1/2 year periods that will clearly make up the last seven years before Jesus Returns.

My point is about Daniel 9:23-27 which is about Jesus the Messiah not about the -others- prophecies of Daniel about the little horn which are still to come and related to Revelation Revelation 13 and Revelation 17

Jesus was cut off ie KILLED in the middle of the week fulfilling Daniel 9:23-27

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

You are very confused RB

Daniel 9:24-27 is the picture of the 70th week decreed for Israel ..... the same as described in Lord's discourse of Luke 21:20-36

All of the events taken together in the discourse are still pending and did not occur together in 70 AD .... this is why I asked you to list them

There are only two verses in this schedule that tells of 70 AD [Luke 21:6; 21:12]

.... and the temple stones are still not standing as we speak and will not be during the coming 70th week

All of the other events listed have never taken place as described

And Israel will be scattered again by the coming little horn during the coming 70th week

Go ahead and list them all and give the historical account of fulfillment in 70 AD

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
Go ahead and list them all and give the historical account of fulfillment in 70 AD

-The 70 weeks of Daniel 9:23-27 were fulfilled during the time of Jesus and the apostles.
Jesus is the Messiah that the Jew refused to anoint....they committed the abomination which was that Jesus was put to death ...which caused their desolation ie the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD....millions of Jews were killed ---the desolation ended in a flood [of blood] as prophesied and the dispersion of the survivor Jews among the gentiles nations.

Straightshot said:
All of the other events listed have never taken place as described

And Israel will be scattered again by the coming little horn during the coming 70th week

The next event prophesied by Jesus is that the Jew will accept the Antichrist as their king and messiah

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

You still avoid what I asked you to do

List the events of the Lord's discourse about the time of the end and demonstrate the fulfillment of each

All will occur together and this simply did not not happen in 70 AD

But go ahead, list each, and give your rendering of each .... not just one or two

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
You still avoid what I asked you to do

List the events of the Lord's discourse about the time of the end and demonstrate the fulfillment of each

All will occur together and this simply did not not happen in 70 AD

But go ahead, list each, and give your rendering of each .... not just one or two

Where did i said that there is no prophesied events made by Jesus who are still yet to come ?

I said that the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:23-27 have been fulfilled which left the prophecies of Daniel concerning the little horn yet to be fulfilled in the future.

There is nothing concerning the little horn mentioned in Daniel 9:23-27
try to prove me wrong on that point ,if you can ?

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

There are two princes noted:

Daniel
9:27 And he [the Messiah Prince] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: [only the Lord can do this with Israel]

and in the midst of the week he [the other prince/little horn] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the little horn and his followers].

I am waiting for my first request for you to prove that the events listed in Lord's discourse happened in 70 AD

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
There are two princes noted

Daniel
9:27 And he [the Messiah Prince] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

and in the midst of the week he [the other prince/little horn] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

Jesus have replaced the old covenant ...thus Jesus caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

The other prince [the roman emperor]have caused the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple ...

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

Disagree totally

His covenant with Israel still stands and He will confirm it during the coming 70th week

And the other prince that shall come is this one [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Thessalonians 2:3-12] .... not a Roman in 70 AD

So I see that you will not answer my request regarding the Lord's discourse

His discourse blows your 70 AD rant away and nullifies your view of Daniel 9:24-27

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
Disagree totally

His covenant with Israel still stands and He will confirm it during the coming 70th week

Your theory is that the LITTLE HORN/Antichrist is suppose to made a 7 years covenant with Israel in the future... OOOPS !

Straightshot · Dec 16, 2016

The little horn ["antichrist"] will not confirm any covenant with Israel .... only the Lord can confirm His covenant with His nation

Riberra · Dec 16, 2016

Straightshot said:
The little horn ["antichrist"] will not confirm any covenant with Israel .... only the Lord can confirm His covenant with His nation

Thus you blow out the whole theory based on an erroneous interpretation of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:23-27 made by those who promote that the AC will made a 7 years covenant with Israel during the tribulation.

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