Where gravity and forces come from..!

[sandwiches]

That you are not qualified to overrule the bible

No one is qualified to overrule reality, including you. Reality > Bible. Always.

 

[dad]

I don't know how my car works and it propels me pretty far because I understand how to use it. I also don't know how shoes are made, yet I wear them and use them daily. In other words, not knowing where things come from does not stop you from being able to use them or make predictions to the extent that you have knowledge.

Yes it does. You can't say the universe came out of your shoes.

An intrinsic property is one that is inherent of the object or material in question. It is something that is simply part of it and was not inserted.

Says you. What made it a part? Why is it a part in the way it is?

Just like matter has density, mass, color, etc, they were not 'put in,' but are an essential part of matter as a result of the interactions of particles and forces.

Says who? The fundamental forces and laws in place in any given quadrant determine colors, density, etc. So how did the forces and laws get set up?

 

[dad]

No one is qualified to overrule reality, including you. Reality > Bible. Always.

I don't try. Neither do I try to overrule God. Science has been set up to do that.

 

[sandwiches]

Yes it does. You can't say the universe came out of your shoes.

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said USE not claim where else it came from. Focus.

Says you. What made it a part? Why is it a part in the way it is?

Say I what? Says me that that's the meaning of 'intrinsic?'

I don't know why certain properties are the way they are. Do you know WHY? And don't give me your half-baked answer of "God put 'em there." Tell me WHY God put them there and SPECIFICALLY HOW. So, put up or shut up.

Says who? The fundamental forces and laws in place in any given quadrant determine colors, density, etc. So how did the forces and laws get set up?

Get set up? This kind of language clearly shows that you still haven't been able to grasp the concept, yet.

 

[sandwiches]

I don't try. Neither do I try to overrule God. Science has been set up to do that.

Scientists work within the confines of what they can detect. If they detect God one day, then great. If not, then they'll keep doing what they've done so far, increasing our knowledge of the universe and allowing us to do things we never dreamed possible, all the while swatting the gnats buzzing in their telling them that what they're doing is wrong or impossible. Keep on buzzing, dad.

 

[Nabobalis]

Then what you think of as science is not a player in the creation debate.

Neither link details where the force comes from, just how it works. Whoopee do.

Science does not do "creation" it does the origins of the universe. It debunks creation if that is what you mean.The strong force comes from the intrinsic property of quarks which have colour charge. I'm sure someone who has studied QCD will be able to explain more but I can see you just ignoring it.

You you admit that the physics community is pretty well clueless on what time is. OK. Well, then, tell them that they better not assume that a moving star takes time to move! Not that they know anyhow. Or do you think they know that much!?? I am always astounded to see how little man knows.

Hey, I get that, you don't know.

I wouldn't say clueless as such, the fundamental nature of time is unknown and that might take a while to be fully understood but I'm sure theorists have many many ideas.

What do you even mean by, "tell them that they better not assume that a moving star takes time to move!"?

So a moving star doesn't take any time to move? So anything that moves do not take any time to do so?

 

[dad]

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said USE not claim where else it came from. Focus.

Nothing about your shoes matters here.

Say I what? Says me that that's the meaning of 'intrinsic?'

Then the word has no real meaning. It just means it is here, and that way.

I don't know why certain properties are the way they are.

OK. So it is not known why all these basics are the way they are. Not by science. That limits you claiming they were that way and will be in the future, don't you think? Yoou don't even know why they are that way now. How then can you claim that the nuclear forces and light and gravity, etc were all in place for creation?

Do you know WHY? And don't give me your half-baked answer of "God put 'em there." Tell me WHY God put them there and SPECIFICALLY HOW. So, put up or shut up.

No. I have no idea. Nor do I much care. What I care about is that the truth has been replaced with a bunch of fables, by those that don't really know.

Get set up? This kind of language clearly shows that you still haven't been able to grasp the concept, yet.

The forces and laws have to be in place, or set up--to exist and to work. Elementary.

 

[dad]

Scientists work within the confines of what they can detect.

So do bats.

If they detect God one day, then great. If not, then they'll keep doing what they've done so far, increasing our knowledge of the universe and allowing us to do things we never dreamed possible,...

NOT KNOWING is something easily dreamed possible, actually. They are at a dead end, if they do not even yet know the basics. They can only expand with knowledge.

 

[dad]

Science does not do "creation" it does the origins of the universe. It debunks creation if that is what you mean.

It debunks nothing. It tells stories. The core reasons that the big bang were assumed are belief based. 100%. A bunch of people that do not even know what the basic forces are, trying to peddle a creation myth.

The strong force comes from the intrinsic property of quarks which have colour charge. I'm sure someone who has studied QCD will be able to explain more but I can see you just ignoring it.

In other words something is thought to be a part of what quarks are, and they change color and do stuff. Maybe you better call someone that did study it, if you want it discussed here.

I wouldn't say clueless as such, the fundamental nature of time is unknown and that might take a while to be fully understood but I'm sure theorists have many many ideas.

I can't imagine being more clueless then!

What do you even mean by, "tell them that they better not assume that a moving star takes time to move!"?

So a moving star doesn't take any time to move? So anything that moves do not take any time to do so?

Ha. No. I have no idea how and if time applies in the distant universe. If you do know, let's see it? If the spiritual is involved, then how would we limit that to our conception of time?

 

[Nabobalis]

It debunks nothing. It tells stories. The core reasons that the big bang were assumed are belief based. 100%. A bunch of people that do not even know what the basic forces are, trying to peddle a creation myth.

It is not a myth, it is backed up with evidence unlike what you peddle.

In other words something is thought to be a part of what quarks are, and they change color and do stuff. Maybe you better call someone that did study it, if you want it discussed here.

Maybe Cabel would explain, but if he did you wouldn't listen and call it nonsense so it would be a waste of his time.

I can't imagine being more clueless then!

Ha. No. I have no idea how and if time applies in the distant universe. If you do know, let's see it? If the spiritual is involved, then how would we limit that to our conception of time?

It is better to be clueless than to be arrogant and claim that you know god.

We have no reason to believe that it doesn't change in the early universe, if you want to present evidence that it does, I'm sure many physicists would be happy to hear it.

 

[dad]

It is not a myth, it is backed up with evidence unlike what you peddle.

Never seen any for that. But that's another thread.

Maybe Cabel would explain, but if he did you wouldn't listen and call it nonsense so it would be a waste of his time.

Let me make it easy


"
A quark (pronounced /ˈkwɔrk/ or /ˈkwɑrk/) is an elementary particle and a fundamental constituent of matter.[ so why? do you have some reason physical matter should behave this way? or are you just an observer of what God did?] Quarks combine to form composite particles called hadrons, the most stable of which are protons and neutrons, the components of atomic nuclei.[1] Due to a phenomenon known as color confinement, quarks are never found in isolation; they can only be found within hadrons.[2][3] [why? ]For this reason, much of what is known about quarks has been drawn from observations of the hadrons themselves. [so in our world, hadrons are where quarks hang...]

There are six types of quarks, known as flavors: up, down, charm, strange, top, and bottom.[4] [that says a lot..?] Up and down quarks have the lowest masses of all quarks. The heavier quarks rapidly change into up and down quarks through a process of particle decay: the transformation from a higher mass state to a lower mass state. [why? why do particles decay? ] Because of this, up and down quarks are generally stable and the most common in the universe, [says...who?? have you seen some far far away? where? show us?] whereas charm, strange, top, and bottom quarks can only be produced in high energy collisions (such as those involving cosmic rays and in particle accelerators).[nonsense. in other words the only way man in this state and quadrant knows that they can be formed is by collisions. if the spiritual world forms them another way, our way would not be the only way]

Quarks have various intrinsic properties, including electric charge, color charge, spin, and mass. [in other words they are a certain way! how and why you do not seem to know]Quarks are the only elementary particles in the Standard Model of particle physics to experience all four fundamental interactions, also known as fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravitation, strong interaction, and weak interaction), as well as the only known particles whose electric charges are not integer multiples of the elementary charge.[so? ] For every quark flavor there is a corresponding type of antiparticle, known as antiquark, that differs from the quark only in that some of its properties have equal magnitude but opposite sign.
The quark model was independently proposed by physicists Murray Gell-Mann and George Zweig in 1964.[5] [this merely observes what is, without comprehension of how and why] Quarks were introduced as parts of an ordering scheme for hadrons, and there was little evidence for their physical existence until deep inelastic scattering experiments at SLAC in 1968.[6][7] All six flavors of quark have since been observed in accelerator experiments; the top quark, first observed at Fermilab in 1995, was the last to be discovered.[5]"[ basically a hadron is held together by the strong force, which is not understood. some credit is due for seeing how things work, and are set up in a pattern, so as to be able to predict a missing part of the pattern. but remember, that is just observing what God made, and what is held together even now by forces you do not comprehend] wiki


No surprises here.

It is better to be clueless than to be arrogant and claim that you know god.

?? Someone did that here? Poor excuse.

We have no reason to believe that it doesn't change in the early universe,

Believe being the key word there. But, since science have no clue anyhow, who cares?

if you want to present evidence that it does, I'm sure many physicists would be happy to hear it.

I doubt that our time sets the clocks of the universe. Since you admit not knowing even what it is, how could you make it apply way out there??

 

[Delphiki]

I couldn't care less.

This, right here, is what separates you from anyone who pursues knowledge. Your lack of a desire for knowledge. Only to go further, you are actively anti-knowledge. From what you've shown here, you simply want everyone to be stupid.

Might I inform you, much to your dismay, that the rest of mankind will continue to learn about the universe, despite your pathetic pleas for everyone to be as apathetic about the universe as yourself.

Are you more upset that the universe keeps growing far beyond that which the bible describes or do you just hate people that are smarter than you?

 

[AV1611VET]

This, right here is what separates you from anyone who pursues knowledge.

Might I inform you, much to your dismay, that the rest of mankind will continue to learn about the universe, despite your pathetic pleas for everyone to be as apathetic about the universe as yourself.

Are you more upset that the universe keeps growing far beyond that which the bible describes or do you just hate people that are smarter than you?

Then there are these:

2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Delphiki]

Oh well, you're right, AV. We should all stop learning how the universe works because your book says so. We should all just be blinded morons and get rid of all the medicines, technology, and agriculture that mankind has worked so hard to achieve. Let's just all go back to leprosy, theocracy, genocide, and wiping ourselves with dirt and pine cones.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh well, you're right, AV. We should all stop learning how the universe works because your book says so. We should all just be blinded morons and get rid of all the medicines, technology, and agriculture that mankind has worked so hard to achieve. Let's just all go back to leprosy, theocracy, genocide, and wiping ourselves with dirt and pine cones.

Better yet, do what I do.

Employ some Boolean standards, then go ahead and use the Internet and go to doctors without feeling guilty.

 

[sandwiches]

Better yet, do what I do.

Employ some Boolean standards, then go ahead and use the Internet and go to doctors without feeling guilty.

So, you don't feel like a hypocrite when you're using medicine or other products developed using evolutionary theory that, according to you, goes against the Bible. Good for you!

 

[dad]

This, right here, is what separates you from anyone who pursues knowledge. Your lack of a desire for knowledge.

Actually what separates the men from the boys here is what is known. It is not the pursuit of knowledge that counts, but the arriving at knowledge. Now then, since it has been admitted that even the basic fundamental forces are totally not known, where do you think that leaves you?

Only to go further, you are actively anti-knowledge. From what you've shown here, you simply want everyone to be stupid.

Tut tut. Now now. I am pro knowledge, but until you get some on at least the basics, what are we supposed to do here..pretend?

Might I inform you, much to your dismay, that the rest of mankind will continue to learn about the universe, despite your pathetic pleas for everyone to be as apathetic about the universe as yourself.

You might try. But I would point out that this is baseless prophesy. Prophesy which happens to fly in the face of God's Own holy word. The knowledge of the Lord shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas.

Are you more upset that the universe keeps growing far beyond that which the bible describes or do you just hate people that are smarter than you?

Nothing grows beyond what God describes. Relax.

 

[dad]

Then there are these:

2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It's funny. There is probably no one on the forum I have more different views from than you. (embedded stuff). Yet we don't seem to fight as much as some folks here. See, evos, people can get along. The key seems to be stop opposing God's word..we don't need to know all the answers, but we do need to look at God's revealed answers.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's funny. There is probably no one on the forum I have more different views from than you. (embedded stuff). Yet we don't seem to fight as much as some folks here. See, evos, people can get along. The key seems to be stop opposing God's word..we don't need to know all the answers, but we do need to look at God's revealed answers.

 

[Delphiki]

Actually what separates the men from the boys here is what is known. It is not the pursuit of knowledge that counts, but the arriving at knowledge. Now then, since it has been admitted that even the basic fundamental forces are totally not known, where do you think that leaves you?

I never admitted anything of the sort. In fact, myself and others here have illustrated the exact opposite. You just insist on not learning anything. Why are you even in this forum?

We've shown what we do know and you've shown that you haven't the faintest clue yourself. No, we don't know everything, but it's a far cry from your position: not knowing anything.

Tut tut. Now now. I am pro knowledge, but until you get some on at least the basics, what are we supposed to do here..pretend?

Going into a science sub-forum parading the "science is evil" picket shows otherwise. Really, there is information pretty much everywhere on the forces you are asking about, yet you still seem to be saying we don't know anything. If you have nothing to contribute to the forum other than protesting knowledge, leave the forum. If you have nothing to contribute to man kind, then please consider the usefulness of your own existence.

You might try. But I would point out that this is baseless prophesy. Prophesy which happens to fly in the face of God's Own holy word. The knowledge of the Lord shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas.

It's not prophecy. It's simply happening right now, and has been happening for thousands of years. Man kind has only increased his knowledge. Folks like you have been trying to stop it for centuries. It's nothing new.

Nothing grows beyond what God describes. Relax.

Actually, the universe I know is far bigger than the one the bible describes in any dimension -- and this I find most intriguing, let alone relaxing. I'd rather thing of a vastly beautiful orchestration of energy and matter than a dome underneath some second ocean with little lights painted on, ruled by a sadistic and murderous supernatural being who gives his creation the choice between eternal punishment or eternal bondage. That is unsettling. Good for me, we have no evidence to support the latter.