Where gravity and forces come from..!

[dad]

Not real science, that is just knowledge. It can be good or bad. The so called sciences, that claim to deal in the far past, are another story. They are of Satan. They omit anything but the present nature, including the spiritual.


I would say that is one of the worst so called science fields. It is riddled with serpent lies. At least it doesn't have a 'paleo' in front of it I guess...could be worse I suppose it might be fun for a Christian speaking out in a geology class..

 

[Upisoft]

Self evident in your head maybe. Not in millions of other people's heads.

People do it all the time. The number is irrelevant. As if it is relevant to you the number of people that do not believe in any god or believe in any other god. They are majority, but that does not matter.

Oh come on now. Has God ever forsaken His people? Has He ever refused salvation to those that call on Him?

I don't know. Do you believe literally in Genesis 1? Do you believe that any word counts in this chapter and nothing is there for no purpose? Do you believe there are no gaps in the text? Do you believe that what God says happens exactly as God says it? I may have answer to you if you answer all those with "yes".

 

[Delphiki]

They omit anything but the present nature, including the spiritual.

Show evidence of the spiritual and it will be considered part of nature. Until then, there's... no evidence of the spiritual.

 

[AV1611VET]

Show evidence of the spiritual and it will be considered part of nature.

Until you guys build a machine that can do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... you're not going to believe anything we say.

Maybe if you guys would invest your money in that, instead of a machine that bangs lead ions together, you'd understand and appreciate God's universe a little better.

(If it's lead-hitting-lead you're after, invest that money in a one-lane highway for drunk drivers -- going both ways. You'll get all the experimentation you need.)

 

[Delphiki]

Until you guys build a machine that can do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... you're not going to believe anything we say.

Maybe if you guys would invest your money in that, instead of a machine that bangs lead ions together, you'd understand and appreciate God's universe a little better.

(If it's lead-hitting-lead you're after, invest that money in a one-lane highway for drunk drivers -- going both ways. You'll get all the experimentation you need.)

I said "evidence", not "bible quote". I'll give you a Mulligan. Try again.

Not that this has anything to do with spirituality, but here's what you're looking for. Just in case you're wondering:

Who needs horses and chariots of fire to climb a mountain?

 

[Delphiki]

Maybe if you guys would invest your money in that, instead of a machine that bangs lead ions together, you'd understand and appreciate God's universe a little better.

(If it's lead-hitting-lead you're after, invest that money in a one-lane highway for drunk drivers -- going both ways. You'll get all the experimentation you need.)

By the way, it's you who aren't appreciating the universe. Remember, you're the one that denies the very intricacies of it's existence, not me. lol

 

[ug333]

Until you guys build a machine that can do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... you're not going to believe anything we say.

Maybe if you guys would invest your money in that, instead of a machine that bangs lead ions together, you'd understand and appreciate God's universe a little better.

(If it's lead-hitting-lead you're after, invest that money in a one-lane highway for drunk drivers -- going both ways. You'll get all the experimentation you need.)

Ahh, a quote from a book that claims infallibility. Allow me to respond:

Everything in this post is infallible. Science is the best source of truth that the human race has.

There! Clearly your post is false because it conflicts with the above text which is infallible.

 

[dad]

People do it all the time. The number is irrelevant. As if it is relevant to you the number of people that do not believe in any god or believe in any other god. They are majority, but that does not matter.

Belief is a present state in the future doesn't matter either. What matters is what can be proven, or evidenced, and what is known. It does matter that science doesn't even know what exactly the basic forces are. It matters that the states of the future and far past are not known to science, yet they use belief to construct models of the same. Godless models. Models that are foisted on innocent youth as knowledge, and fact. Models falsely called science.

You do realize that God will avenge such assaults on His little ones Personally?

I don't know. Do you believe literally in Genesis 1?

Of course.

Do you believe that any word counts in this chapter and nothing is there for no purpose?

Any word counts? Heck I think most of em contribute something.

Do you believe there are no gaps in the text?

Time gaps? Not in Gen 1. Seems to me that that idea was cooked up to try to make the bible conform to science. Knowing that the state was different, there is now no need.

Do you believe that what God says happens exactly as God says it?

Within reason. For example, there was a garden, Adam, Eve, rivers, etc.

I may have answer to you if you answer all those with "yes".

Oh come on, shoot. I probably heard it a dozen times before from someone else anyhow.

 

[dad]

Show evidence of the spiritual and it will be considered part of nature. Until then, there's... no evidence of the spiritual.

It is part of true created nature. The thing is, that our temporal physical only present state is not nature. It is part of it. You would not look IN it, to find the other part, the spiritual.

 

[dad]

Actually, that's just the result of their incorporation into Christian holidays. The Easter Bunny was concocted to lure pagans into celebrating a Christian holiday in an attempt to convert them.

Santa Claus is a character based on a real historical Saint. Which is kind of funny when you consider there is more physical evidence (they have actual bones) for his existence than there is for Jesus.

Cute. Never thought of it that way. You coulld have something there. He does cause the wrath of man to praise Him, why not the imaginary rabbits? Harvey, move over.

 

[Split Rock]

Cute. Never thought of it that way. You coulld have something there. He does cause the wrath of man to praise Him, why not the imaginary rabbits? Harvey, move over.

Hey dad..... have you come up with any practical use for dadology yet? Or are you still claiming it doesn't need one, scoffer?

 

[Delphiki]

Knowing that the state was different...

And you know this according to what evidence?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Knowing that the state was different, there is now no need.

Different how, exactly?

 

[Delphiki]

Different how, exactly?

His argument is that the fundamental forces and time were different in as little as a few thousand years ago. All that to simply interpret reality to fit the predetermined conclusion he's drawn from the bible. He's also failed to show any evidence whatsoever. Big surprise, eh?

 

[Nathan Poe]

A while ago, I performed a little thought experiment with dad's posts -- I replaced every reference he made to "the spiritual" with a kind of cheese. I wanted to see if this substitution would affect the validity of his arguments -- positively or negatively -- in any discernable way.

It did not.

In the interest of scientific inquiry, I want to repeat the experiment to see if anything has changed:

It is part of true created nature. The thing is, that our temporal physical only present state is not nature. It is part of it. You would not look IN it, to find the other part, the mozzarella.

Evidently not.

 

[Delphiki]

Well, at least our physical existence isn't a stuffed crust pizza. I mean, I'm a fan of it and all, but if everything was a stuffed crust pizza, there'd be no dynamic.

 

[Upisoft]

You do realize that God will avenge such assaults on His little ones Personally?

Of course.

Within reason. For example, there was a garden, Adam, Eve, rivers, etc.

Specific reason. Like in

ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי־אור׃

Or "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." (Genesis 1:3)
What God says happens. For example if God says "Let there be bread, cake, milk." He will get bread, cake and milk and not bread and milk only or bread, cake, milk and apple instead. Do you agree?

Oh come on, shoot. I probably heard it a dozen times before from someone else anyhow.

Probably. You must first agree on the question above, then will talk. Also I didn't get "yes" for each of my questions as I wanted. If you think the questions are not clear enough I'll try to explain them. What do you not understand? "Gaps" means any gaps, time gaps, knowledge gaps i.e. if God did something relevant to us between the actions described in Genesis 1, etc.

 

[dad]

Hey dad..... have you come up with any practical use for dadology yet? Or are you still claiming it doesn't need one, scoffer?

Not sure, what is that?

 

[dad]

A while ago, I performed a little thought experiment..

Hey, for those that seldom deal in issues, mind games must suffice I suppose.

 

[dad]

And you know this according to what evidence?

The only direct evidence available to man. The ancient records including God's word.