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Where does the GOP stand on Contraception?

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I would appreciate it if you would not violate the rules by your abusive use of the word "ignorance".
Pointing out someone’s ignorance is not pejorative. We’re all ignorant of something.
We’re a “first-world” nation, yet have done a terrible job keeping mothers alive.


I would consider the 10% rate "abysmal" compared to 22 per 100,000.
I would take into account that the 10% rate was 176 years ago.
 
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Errr…does that mean all those who failed to implant are now somewhere else…spiritually? Ie heaven?

Can I be super blunt and say none of us know how the afterlife functions since none of us are….well…currently dead?

No, I don’t mean ANY disrespect to anyone, whatsoever.

[I very much believe in the afterlife, but I am getting off topic since this is not what the thread is about]
 
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My mother had 3 miscarriages. I very much believe those souls are in heaven and are praying for my family and the entire world.

My sincere condolences.
 
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I very much believe those souls are in heaven
I forgot about that, There was a miscarriage so I do have three daughters but I did not raise any of them. I only raised my sons. But now I remember running out of gasoline on the way home from the doctor. The gas station would not help me but a customer did. I actually do that all the time. I walk up to people even at random and ask for help and they are always happy to help me. I can walk up to most anyone and start a conversation and they respond and go along with the flow. Sorry I drift from topic to topic like that. But that is the way my mind works.
 
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My mother had 3 miscarriages. I very much believe those souls are in heaven and are praying for my family and the entire world.
You will be very surprised when you see how much family you have in Heaven. My wife has a close knit family and there are two or three hundred of them that are alive today. When we do there to visit a lot of them come to see us.
 
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Can I be super blunt and say none of us know how the afterlife functions since none of us are….well…currently dead?
The body is dead and in the grave but the people are alive and in heaven. Perhaps they have a spiritual body there.
 
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Errr…does that mean all those who failed to implant are now somewhere else…spiritually? Ie heaven?
People become who they are at conception. They have all of their gifts, talents and abilities. In psalm, 139 16 God writes the book of their life.

"all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be."

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
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I thought that I had clearly said “homosexuality“.
Transgender people‘s sexuality cannot be deduced from the fact that they are transgender.
Well you said “near 100%”

Homosexuality is not near 100%, it is indeed 100% chance of no conception
 
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Errr…does that mean all those who failed to implant are now somewhere else…spiritually? Ie heaven?
I don’t cotton go the notion that a “person” is created at the time of conception, but if we assume so for the sake of argument, it could follow that such a “person” would be innocent of sin and therefore admitted into the Pearly Gates.
If this is the case, it brings up a question of why God would like all of these innocent souls to abound in heaven?
 
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I don’t cotton go the notion that a “person” is created at the time of conception
I am 100% talking about the DNA. Everything is there in the beginning.
That is why I can have a conversation with my daughter in Heaven, even if it was just a dream.
 
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I am 100% talking about the DNA. Everything is there in the beginning.
That is why I can have a conversation with my daughter in Heaven, even if it was just a dream.
This is a case where monozygotic twins were born where one was male and the other was female. One ovum, one sperm and yet each developed into a differing sex.
”Everything is there” yes, and so much more.

Again I sympathize with your experience and do not wish to cause further anguish for you, but things are much more complicated than we can even fully comprehend.
 
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Since we really can’t know anyway, I’ll leave it at that.
 
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things are much more complicated than we can even fully comprehend.
Life can be a roller coaster ride with bumps and curves. We go through 7 stages in life that are very different from each other.
 
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People become who they are at conception.
Since you only have one cell at conception, how can this be true for identical twins or triplets?
They have all of their gifts, talents and abilities.
Not true. A zygote does not possess the capacity for thought or sensory input.
"all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be."
Does this mean every abortion and murder and rape are preordained?
 
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Since you only have one cell at conception, how can this be true for identical twins or triplets?
Nothing is added to the genetic information. It is a question of what gets expressed and what does not get expressed. So they do appear to be different but they still have all the same DNA they had in the beginning.

Gene regulation is the process that controls when and how much a gene is expressed in a cell. This process allows for different cell types in the body to have different active genes, even though almost all cells contain the same DNA. These different gene expression patterns result in different sets of proteins in each cell type, which allows each cell type to specialize in its function.

We have come a long way in our understanding of Genetics in the last 50 years. When I was in HIgh School most of the conversation had to do with Mandel and pea plants. Very very basic. Chick and Watson was just getting started. I read the first book on DNA "the double helix"

The point is they have 100% the same DNA but they are very different because of the way that DNA is expressed during development. Nothing is added from the beginning. Nothing has been added to the Universe from the beginning. That is why God knows the end from the beginning. Only He watches over His word to perform what He said He would do Jeremiah 1:12 Isaiah 46 10. Some people call this fine tuning.

You can buy a high school or college biology book on Amazon for $5. There is a lot of information in the books we are suppose to read.
 
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Nothing is added to the genetic information. It is a question of what gets expressed and what does not get expressed. So they do appear to be different but they still have all the same DNA they had in the beginning.
You haven't answered the question. I'll rephrase it: since identical twins or triplets don't all exist at conception, but some come into existence after conception (when the zygote splits), doesn't this refute your claim that "People become who they are at conception"?
But if the cells don't yet exist at conception, because you can't have twins or triplets occupying one cell, the above paragraph is irrelevant.
You can buy a high school or college biology book on Amazon for $5. There is a lot of information in the books we are suppose to read.
I realize that, but both identical twins can't "become who they are at conception" because they don't both exist. No textbook is required.
 
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Since we really can’t know anyway, I’ll leave it at that.
Sure, disregard the consequences of “personhood at conception” because we can‘t know for certain what becomes of these poor, innocent souls.
If that’s as close as you can get to intellectual honesty, so be it.
 
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