Where does scripture say God wants us to be sick?

[Grishnak]

Yep...that's one of the 4 reasons the Bible gives for why people perish!
You da man...

So do you think that other than those 4 reasons (?) that no one would die?

 

[Rockrz]

Here's the 4 reasons that the Bible gives for why God's people perish:

Lack of Knowledge
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Lack of Vision
Proverbs 29:18
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
(see also: 2 Corinthians 4:4, and Ephesians 1:18)

Not Understanding the Lord's body
1 Corinthians 11:28-30
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Unbelief
Hebrews 4:9-11
There remains therefore a rest to the people of God....for he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His....let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Grishnak]

interesting.

you didnt answer my question, however

barring those 4 items, will people still perish/die ?

 

[Rockrz]

interesting.

you didnt answer my question, however

barring those 4 items, will people still perish/die ?

Most of them will, if they stay out of the street
Of course, each person is going to eventually die, since it's appointed unto man to die once. You just don't have to die at a young age, and you don't have to die all sick and broke down...

You know I can't answer for everyone...I can only answer for me, and I will live to be a ripe old age and not die to declare the works of Jesus Christ!
Unless, of course, Jesus comes back soon...

 

[Strong in Him]

I will live to be a ripe old age and not die to declare the works of Jesus Christ!

If you did die tomorrow, you wouldn't be able to post on here to tell us anyway.

But as you can't admit when you've got it wrong - and have been shown to have got it wrong - how can anyone believe that there are times that you might be right?

 

[Rockrz]

But as you can't admit when you've got it wrong - and have been shown to have got it wrong - how can anyone believe that there are times that you might be right?

Nobody can, or has, proved that Jesus' Blood was not pure, and Holy!
Now, satan would like to try, but he's a liar...

 

[Maccie]

As Jesus made his own blood (see my previous post) then of course it was holy. He is God, isn't he?

What's bugging you about that?

 

[Erik3]

Then, you would need to make a decision that "I'm going to be healthy, according to the promise made to me in scripture". This is what you did to get saved, now this is what you do to be healthy! But, you have to realize that Galatians 6:7,8 is true...what you sow is what you're going to reap. You can believe healthy and divine protection all day long, and it won't work for you if you don't exercise, eat well, and get plenty of sleep and plenty of water. If you abuse your body with junk food and never exercise, then eventually you'll get sick because that's the seeds you sowed. It doesn't mean God didn't want you well, it simply means you were putting the wrong fuel in your body.

You say hold to promises about health made in scripture but, where in the bible does it say that if you exercise, eat well get plenty of sleep and water you won't get sick?

This sounds more like relying nutrition than relying on the power of God.

Not to say that nutrition is a bad thing, but couldn't a person who doesn't rely on God be just as healthy from this lifestyle?

The reference to Galatians 6, In my understanding it has more to do with how we treat others, maybe our spiritual health, not physical health.

In fact if you read on further in chapter 6 you will see Paul makes a reference to the wounds of Christ also on himself. Paul was not automatically healed from these wounds.

The thing to do is gather up all the healing scriptures and for the rest of your life, pull them out everyday during your prayer time (you do have prayer time early in the morning? Those who seek Him early find Him!) and read them outloud

Is the time of day specific for healing to take effect?

Is reading the scriptures outloud required for healing to take place?

If so, how loud?

give God praise and thanksgiving that His Word is true and you have been blessed with healthy and protection! One of the major cornerstones of a victorious lifestyle is continual Praise and Thanksgiving flowing from your lips to God concerning His Word being true in your life!

I can definitely agree with this, Amen brother

However, I also agree with Job:

Job 13:15
15"Though He slay me,
I will hope in Him
Nevertheless I will argue my ways before Him.

emphasis mine

While not ever being sick again is something that God could do. I don't see any scriptural backing that God does do this. Sorry

But I'm more than willing to discuss this further

 

[Strong in Him]

Then, you would need to make a decision that "I'm going to be healthy, according to the promise made to me in scripture". This is what you did to get saved, now this is what you do to be healthy! But, you have to realize that Galatians 6:7,8 is true...what you sow is what you're going to reap. You can believe healthy and divine protection all day long, and it won't work for you if you don't exercise, eat well, and get plenty of sleep and plenty of water. If you abuse your body with junk food and never exercise, then eventually you'll get sick because that's the seeds you sowed. It doesn't mean God didn't want you well, it simply means you were putting the wrong fuel in your body.

So good health is something that you manage to acheive? It is your repetition of Scriptures that guarantee that God gives you good health? That's a dangerous teaching - it means the emphasis is on you and your ability to memorise and repeat the Scriptures, and not on God.

The thing to do is gather up all the healing scriptures and for the rest of your life, pull them out everyday during your prayer time (you do have prayer time early in the morning? Those who seek Him early find Him!) and read them outloud and give God praise and thanksgiving that His Word is true and you have been blessed with healthy and protection! One of the major cornerstones of a victorious lifestyle is continual Praise and Thanksgiving flowing from your lips to God concerning His Word being true in your life!

That is sheer legalism, it is not compulsory to have a time of prayer/read Scripture in the morning.

And praising God sounds like a manipulative technique too - "I'm telling you how great you are God, now will you bless me?" We praise/worship God for who he is - holy, righteous, almighty etc - we thank him for what he has done for us, and do not do so just to get something from him.

In spite of your repeated - selective - Scriptures, there is nothing in the Bible that says that good health is our right, that God wants us to live a life completely free from problems. Two more points;

Paul says that he would rejoice in weakness because it was through weakness that God's power was revealed. Presumably you're saying that he was rather naive to have made that statement, and if only he'd known how to positvely confess his faith, he wouldn't have had any weaknesses? So on that occasion at least, he got it wrong? So why, many years later, did the Holy Spirit allow that verse to be included in the New Testament. In fact, why didn't he inspire Paul to write a verse, stating in black and white that memorising the word of God means that you'll never have another physical illness again? Because the early disciples went around preaching the Gospel, and some of them became ill.

You say that you are praising the Lord and you have good health? Great! I am praising the Lord and I have not so good health. In both cases God is being praised. Now, which do you think is more likely to honour God and witness to others? It is easy to praise God when you don't have any problems and things are going well - in fact, it would be a sin not to praise him in these circumstances. What about praising God when things around you are quite difficult, you have littkle outward reason to praise him but you do so anyway because he is still good? Paul said "give thanks in all circumstances", giving thanks in the good ones is easy, it's at bad times that your thanks become a "sacrifice of praise, the fruit of lips that confess his name" (Hebrews 13v15)

No, you point to the "evidence" that this works as proof that it must be true. It doesn't follow. It could be that the devil is quite happy for this to happen, as you are believing that good health is something that you achieve, and precventing you from trusting God in all things. As someone has already says, Job siaid "though he slay me, I will trust him". It is this kind of faith that pleases God.

I read about a word of faith teacher the other day who teaches this and says "we do not allow sickness in our home" - didn't stop his wife getting cancer.

 

[seebs]

So, what I'm being told here is... There exists a book containing specific phrases which, if I recite them in certain ways, will impose my will upon invisible spirits and force them to bring about results I desire.

One of my rules of thumb is that I will not follow any doctrine indistinguishable from demonology.

 

[Strong in Him]

Nobody can, or has, proved that Jesus' Blood was not pure, and Holy!
Now, satan would like to try, but he's a liar...

I wasn't talking about this, I was referring to other statements you've made which have been shown to be wrong. Anyone can make a mistake, but most people are humble enough to admit to it.

 

[Maccie]

Nobody can, or has, proved that Jesus' Blood was not pure, and Holy!
Now, satan would like to try, but he's a liar...

As Jesus made his own blood (see my previous post) then of course it was holy. He is God, isn't he?

What's bugging you about that?

Do try to keep up, rock!

 

[Rockrz]

where in the bible does it say that if you exercise, eat well get plenty of sleep and water you won't get sick?

The bible doesn't necessarily says this specifically, but it does say that you will reap what you sow, and it also says that each person should know how to posess his vessel (body) in honor. If you don't take care of your body and give it what it needs to be healthy, you will reap the consequences.

But, that alone will not keep you well. There are people that do all the right things to take care of their bodies and die of cancer (or whatever) anyway. It's a combination of living by God's Word, and taking care of your body.

While not ever being sick again is something that God could do. I don't see any scriptural backing that God does do this. Sorry

You don't "SEE", is the problem here. There's plenty of scriptures that I've shown you guys that will keep you well, but you have decided to dis-believe what the scripture says, which is a lack of VISION. If you decide to live in un-belief (choose not to believe), then you cannot see or understand what the scriptures are saying concerning health.

If you don't believe God can do somthing, then He's not going to be able to do that for you. A great example of this same concept is people that don't believe God can save them from sin, then they can't get saved. There's people all over the world that don't believe God can do certain things (that God says He can in scripture), and so they go without.

It is your repetition of Scriptures that guarantee that God gives you good health?

No, it's the work of the Holy Spirit in my body that keeps me well. Jesus took sickness upon His Body on the Cross, so I could receive His health. Quoting scriptures simply helps feed my spirit and renew my understanding (mind), which keeps out the death and un-belief that the world lives in (and many on this board)

there is nothing in the Bible that says that good health is our right, that God wants us to live a life completely free from problems........Job siaid "though he slay me, I will trust him"

Sure there is...I'm very happy with the scriptures I've found. God honors them because it is His will. I'm happy with my results of being healthy and having power and authority of the evil things of this world. I sure hope you are happy with getting sick and thinking God is causing all of your problems.

And, you need to go back and read Job again....God said that Job's friends (who were telling Job how God caused all of his problems) had told a lie about Him, because God had not attacked Job and caused all Job's problems (Job 42:7-10). Job got back into faith, and God gave Job double what he had before...and then lived to be 140 years old...rich! In Job 40:7, God even tells Job to use the Word of Faith and "declare thou unto me". Using Job to try and prove God is trying to kill His own people is not too bright.

One of my rules of thumb is that I will not follow any doctrine indistinguishable from demonology.

OK...speak words that say God's Word is a lie...that is demonology in it's purest form, because it teaches you that speaking God's Word is lying!

Isaiah 55:11 - So shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Romans 10:8 - The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach

The Holy Spirit instructed the Apostle Paul to preach the Word of Faith!
It's right there in the Word of God. This is what you used to get born-again, so you shouldn't knock it too much.

 

[Maccie]

I notice you've cunningly avoided the question about blood! Where you were, of course, totally wrong in your beliefs about physiology!!

But then you wouldn't admit to being wrong, would you???

 

[Rockrz]

No, I'm not wrong about the Blood of Jesus being Holy, pure and of God.

All I can tell you is I've talked to doctors that told me the blood comes primarily from the father of the child. If they are wrong, then what I said would be wrong. I didn't dream up what I said.

If they are correct, then that would go hand in hand with the Blood of Jesus being pure and coming from God, not sinful man, who was in need of pure Holy Blood being shed for his sins so they could be washed away forever!

But, this doesn't change the primary point being made, that the Blood of Jesus is Holy and pure! You are simply hung up on trying to argue to make points made from scripture appear to be wrong. If you have issues with the truth, then you need to go somewhere and pray and get up to speed.

Hey...I didn't write the Word of God, He did.
Maybe you need to argue with Him...He happens to be right.

I'm just telling you what God said on the issue of God being a good God, and desiring for us to be healthy. If you want to reject this knowledge and make argument for being sick, then that's your right.

Some of us desire the goodness of God in our lives...

 

[Maccie]

All I can tell you is I've talked to doctors that told me the blood comes primarily from the father of the child. If they are wrong, then what I said would be wrong. I didn't dream up what I said.

They are wrong. Or you misunderstood them.

No, I'm not wrong about the Blood of Jesus being Holy, pure and of God.

No, I didn't disagree with you that the blood of Jesus is holy and pure. He made it himself. He is God. Therefore his blood is holy. No problem there. But it is not of God the Father physiologically. God the Father is not flesh and blood, therefore blood cannot come from him. Jesus had to come as the incarnate Son before any blood could be spilt. Incarnate means "becoming flesh and blood", having a body that can be seen, touched, and which is, in this case, a human body. Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. That is the mystery of the incarnation.

I'm not making Scripture appear wrong. Jesus had to have a normal human birth, otherwise he would just be another "myth" of God-Man appearing on earth. Plenty of those around. Myths, I mean, not God-Men! And he did, he was born of the Virgin Mary, normal human birth, placenta, umbilical cord and all. A messy business, but he didn't just pop out like a pea out of a pod. Proof that he was human.

But his blood was his own, always was and always will be. Are you sure they were medical Doctors you were talking to??

 

[Rockrz]

Who really cares what medical science says anyway? They don't know what's going on, especially when it comes to the birth of Jesus. If they did, it wouldn't be called "practicing" medicine!

Besides, you're way off subject...which was God desires for us to be well in this life. Do you believe that, or not?

 

[Maccie]

Besides, you're way off subject

which was exactly what I said in my post #88.

No, I don't believe the Word-Faith take on Christianity. I think it is far from compassionate, unrealistic and in places heretical.

And you are still wrong about blood, even if you want to wriggle out of admitting it!!

End of story as far as I am concerned.

 

[Rockrz]

No, I don't believe the Word-Faith take on Christianity. I think it is far from compassionate, unrealistic and in places heretical..

You didn't answer the question, which has nothing to do with your erroneous perception of the way God and Jesus has instructed us to live using the Word of Faith (His faith, His words, coming out our mouths...)

Here, let me make the print a little bigger so you can read the question....
God desires for us to be well in this life.
Do you believe that, or not?

 

[seebs]

It's right there in the Word of God.

Bibliolatry. The Bible is a book. The Word of God is Jesus.

This is what you used to get born-again, so you shouldn't knock it too much.

No. I used the Word to get born-again. I didn't even look at a Bible. It is the Living Word who moves in us, and the Holy Spirit that regenerates us. The Bible is not a magic talisman to enable God. God regenerated me, then said "hey, this book, it's got some good stuff in it."

But I do not mistake the book for God.

The Word? The Word is with God, and the Word is God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. No book can make those claims.