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Where does scripture say God wants us to be sick?

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Rockrz said:
God desires for us to be well in this life.
Do you believe that, or not?

I do not think you have offered a well-defined statement.

What do you mean by "desires"? The Bible says that God desires that all men should be saved. Will it happen?

However, to cheapen God's healings to a command performance... No.
 
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Well said, seebs. :thumbsup: Rock, I could equally ask:

Do you believe that the Lord wants us to give thanks in all circumstances? Yes or no?

Do you believe he wants us to know his presence even when we are going through the valley of the shadow of death? Yes or no?

Do you agree that there are many Christians with disabilities who are witnessing and glorifying God even though they haven't been healed? Yes or no? If yes, why is the Lord honouring their ministry, since they are not living in the full health he wants for them? If no, you need to open your eyes a bit more.

Do you believe that we should have a balanced approach to reading the Bible, not just picking out the bits we want to hear, but trying to understand the verses in the context in which they were written? Yes or no?

It's not as simple as you like to make out.
 
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Cheapen God's salvation that includes healing and health???
I never heard anyone say what God purchased for us as being cheap....


Do you believe that the Lord wants us to give thanks in all circumstances? Yes or no?
Yes. Give thanks that we have victory, and God has already purchased our deliverance from whatever it is that is bothering us and He always causes us to win in Jesus! (2 Corinthians 2:14) He has and always will provide a way of escape from satan's trials...now if you don't take the escape route, that's not God's fault and you should quit telling everyone it is. It's not God causing your problems.

Do you believe he wants us to know his presence even when we are going through the valley of the shadow of death? Yes or no?
Know His presence? He said He would never leave us, or forsake us! How could I not know His presence at all times? The valley is no problem...that's just the devil's threat of death...it's like the shadow of a dog. A shadow never bit anyone, until you react in fear, then you will be attacked. What you fear will come on you. In my case, what I faith (believe) comes on me because I happen to believe God's promises are real and He's not a liar!

Do you agree that there are many Christians with disabilities who are witnessing and glorifying God even though they haven't been healed? Yes or no?
Yes, because God will use anyone on their level...something is better than nothing at all.

If yes, why is the Lord honoring their ministry, since they are not living in the full health he wants for them? If no, you need to open your eyes a bit more.
Like I mentioned above, God isn't going to turn down working with someone on their level. He meets people where they are, and then tries to get them to grow. Some never do grow.

Do you believe that we should have a balanced approach to reading the Bible, not just picking out the bits we want to hear, but trying to understand the verses in the context in which they were written? Yes or no?
That's a great way to describe yourself! I believe you should quit being faithless on the particular scriptures you are denying concerning God's will for His people to live healthy, prosperous, victorious lives!

It's those bad mouth, defeated Christians that cause many in the world refuse to become believers. Why should they? They already have defeat! If Christians are going around being defeated, then why would anyone want to join a crowd that is defeated, has no power, and claims their God is trying to kill everyone?

It's not as simple as you like to make out.
Sure it is! Paul said there was simplicity in Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3), and Jesus said you should become converted and become like little children (Matthew 18:3)
 
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seebs said:
Eternal life and perfect joy in the life to come not good enough?
God's plan of salvation is all inclusive. It covers every area of mankind's existance, so rejecting everything Jesus has purchased for mankind is a slap in His face!

You guys can live in unbelief if you want, and dis-respect Jesus Christ, but I'm going for everything He purchased for me with His Blood, and His very Life! It's the least I can do is recieve from Him all that He wants me to have.

Whatever you fellas decide to do is your business.
God's not even going to ask me about you on judgement day, so if you choose not to receive everything that is available it's not my concern.
 
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Y'know, friend, it seems to me that you favor emotionally loaded language quite a lot. It's not okay for me to worship Jesus as God; if I don't believe exactly what you do, I am apparently "dis-respecting" Him.

Seems to me that it's time to take a break and look at the fruits of the spirit, shall we?

[bible]Galatians 5:22-23[/bible]

Are you showing peace? Longsuffering? Gentleness? Meekness?

No. You are showing strife, envy, and anger.

What is it in your teaching that brings these things out? It is not the Spirit which bears these fruits. The Gospel does not make people angry, it does not make them hostile, it does not make them disrespectful or arrogant.

When you proudly claim greater knowledge of God than others, you proclaim yourself to nonetheless be carnal in that respect.

Please think on this, friend. There is more to be had from a relationship with Jesus than just saving money on medication. You may also find peace in Him.
 
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seebs said:
Gospel does not make people angry
If this is true, then Jesus Christ was not of God, because He made people so mad they tried to kill Him numerous times...and He just walked away! You obviously haven't spent much time out witnessing in the streets!

I'm simply saying God is a GOOD God, that has provided protection and deliverance for His people....

You are saying that you believe God does not provide these things because you see (with your eyes) some people who don't have healing, so in your mind, this proves that God does not heal.

You are being carnal, which simply means you base what you believe on what you can see, and not on what God actually said in His Word....

And, now you want to try and make me out to the the bad guy here :doh:
 
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The Gospel may anger people, but not the people believing it.

I am not trying to make you out to be "the bad guy"; merely pointing out that you are showing fruits of the flesh.

And, I might add, willfully repeating the Bibliolatry thing.
 
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You have posted scriptures, yes. And you have then expanded on them with your interpretation of them. But you are not the Holy Spirit. I understand the Bible by reading it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is how Christianity does things. I am not a member of a church which teaches that I should understand the Bible by reading it under the guidance of Some Guy on a Message Board.
 
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OK, what do you make of this scripture...

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead shall also quicken (energize, make alive) your mortal body by His Spirit that lives in you.

I don't know about you, but the Holy Spirit lives in me, and He keeps my body alive, energized, healthy.

What does He do for you?
 
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It's not that God wants us to be sick. No father wants his children to suffer. By Christ's stripes we are healed. When we acknowledge what protection from infirmity we have in Christ, then will we see it happen.

Who could not be resentful to someone who wants them to be sick? Men can't focus on higher matters (spiritual) when they're hungry, sick, dying whatever. God knows that.

Just because people turn to God more in their despair and sickness doesn't mean he desires or causes us to be sick. However, God does long for us to long for Him. I guess whatever gets us there, gets us there.
 
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Rockrz said:
OK, what do you make of this scripture...

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead shall also quicken (energize, make alive) your mortal body by His Spirit that lives in you.

I don't know about you, but the Holy Spirit lives in me, and He keeps my body alive, energized, healthy.

What does He do for you?

He helps me not take verses out of context.

[bible]Romans 8:8-12[/bible]

The Spirit allows me to live after the Spirit, not after the flesh; in other words, to show the fruits of the spirit, not the fruits of the flesh.

This has nothing to do with the immune system, and everything to do with, for instance, the distinction between carnal and spiritual desires.
 
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Rockrz said:
OK, what do you make of this scripture...

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead shall also quicken (energize, make alive) your mortal body by His Spirit that lives in you.

I don't know about you, but the Holy Spirit lives in me, and He keeps my body alive, energized, healthy.

What does He do for you?


I completely agree!
 
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Jesus came, suffered horribly, and died so that we would be saved in every way that we can be saved. There is no sickness or infirmity that He did not carry. There is no darkness that He did not endure. There is nothing that He did not already take.

We are redeemed...


from everything
 
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Why would we want to go to that page and read a bunch of lies by satan?

Maccie said:
You can't argue with the Word of Faith bunch. They tend to be slippery and manipulative. When you question then they get rude and aggressive.[/url]
You can't argue with carnal Christians, they tend to just not get it:

1 Corinthians 2:14 -*But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (understood from a spiritual point of view, not fallen mankind's point of view)

I'm going to write a webpage and call it the:
"Carnal Christian Movement - Babies that Refuse to Grow Up".
 
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Maccie said:
You can't argue with the Word of Faith bunch. They tend to be slippery and manipulative. When you question then they get rude and aggressive.

You might care to look at this site, which is all about them.
www.isitso.org/guide/wordfaith.html

I know you are frustrated Maccie. Everyone here gets that way. But I think that is unfair to just label millions of people as being rude, slippery, and manipulative.

It is not that you cannot argue with WoF people...it is just that you cannot argue with faith.. regardless of what "bunch" holds it. It is, after all, "faith"...

Do not feel bad, athiests say the same thing about Christians all the time, ^_^
And they send people off to "anti" websites all the time also.
If anyone goes off to that site and comes back convinced of anything, I might suggest you wander off to my website for something a little more balanced. Just to be fair and all. :thumbsup:
Peace
Dids

"WoFer from way back"
 
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Rockrz said:
Why would we want to go to that page and read a bunch of lies by satan?

You can't argue with carnal Christians, they tend to just not get it:

1 Corinthians 2:14 -*But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (understood from a spiritual point of view, not fallen mankind's point of view)

I'm going to write a webpage and call it the:
"Carnal Christian Movement - Babies that Refuse to Grow Up".
Do play into their accusations bro. When you are right, you do not have to.
 
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