Where does morality come from?

[createdtoworship]

You are missing my point. Your statement was of the form, "If you are not in this particular category, then you are diametrically opposed in every way to that category." A false dichotomy.

I don't think my statement offered those specific extremes. Please post the quote where I said this, and maybe you will see what I was really trying to say at that point.

 

[Kylie]

I don't think my statement offered those specific extremes. Please post the quote where I said this, and maybe you will see what I was really trying to say at that point.

Well, how about:

Also, another poster said that we can be neutral. And I asked, if a woman says to you to marry her and move in with her and you say, I am neutral toward that idea. That is like crushing her little heart. That neutrality was not neutral toward her, that was hate to her. You may simply have not been ready for that commitment, you did not hate her, but to her that neutrality was taken as hatred. You were not loving her at that point.

In this case, the person says they are neutral to the idea of marriage, but the woman takes it as hate. From her perspective, you either love her enough to marry her or you hate her. Like I said, false dichotomy.

And you've been speaking of the Biblical "he who is not a friend is an enemy." You've also said that you completely agree with this statement, even though you can't prove it is true. (post 656).

 

[Ken-1122]

so like I said math is greater than calculations or arithmetic, and arithmetic and calculations are basically the same.

No, Arithmetic does not include algebra, geometry, trigonometry, Calculus, etc Calculations do. Your argument fails.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well, how about:



In this case, the person says they are neutral to the idea of marriage, but the woman takes it as hate. From her perspective, you either love her enough to marry her or you hate her. Like I said, false dichotomy.

And you've been speaking of the Biblical "he who is not a friend is an enemy." You've also said that you completely agree with this statement, even though you can't prove it is true. (post 656).

but hate is not diametrically opposed to neutrality, and this is what you said I said. In that case it would be a false dichotomy. But i never said that.

 

[createdtoworship]

No, Arithmetic does not include algebra, geometry, trigonometry, Calculus, etc Calculations do. Your argument fails.

so you agree with what I said, math is greater than arithmetic. So you prove my point, because you were saying that arithmetic was not in the figure and thus math was not in the illustration.

here you use the argument that using a number is not math, that only calculating it is math and I repeatedly said that calculations and arithmetic are only subcategories of math, but you said this

Math is calculating numbers. To point to 1 number is not calculating it. Your argument failed

Where does morality come from?

So thank you for proving my point. Essentially you admit that math is more than calculations and arithmetic, while in the other post saying that math is simply calculations. I know debate can be confusing, and we can get our bearings crossed, so I am sorry for that part. But I cannot fix that. I just do my best to keep my arguments separate from one another, as to not get my bearings crossed.

 

[Ken-1122]

so you agree with what I said, math is greater than arithmetic.

I did not address math. I said CALCULATIONS is greater than arithmetic

So you prove my point, because you were saying that arithmetic was not in the figure and thus math was not in the illustration.

I never said that.

here you use the argument that using a number is not math,

Using a number is NOT math

that only calculating it is math

Yes; Calculating numbers is math. Pointing to 1 number is not math

and I repeatedly said that calculations and arithmetic are only subcategories of math,

You were wrong to say that.

 

[createdtoworship]

I did not address math. I said CALCULATIONS is greater than arithmetic

If numbers are not a part of math. Then what class do you learn numbers in? The fact that you cannot answer this question should indicate that your posts are clearly wrong and inaccurate. I know it's easier to conflate arithmetic, calculus and other calculations, but it boils down to the above observation and you cannot get out of that one. So thank you for the debate, it's been fun. But I feel you cannot recover at this point.

 

[Kylie]

but hate is not diametrically opposed to neutrality, and this is what you said I said. In that case it would be a false dichotomy. But i never said that.

No, I said you appeared to have an "If you're not my ally, you're my enemy," position.

And I am trying to point out that a person can be neither.

 

[createdtoworship]

No, I said you appeared to have an "If you're not my ally, you're my enemy," position.

And I am trying to point out that a person can be neither.

in my situation it was all about appearances. When someone breaks up with someone in a relationship, they can still be friends. But most likely the person hurt will not want that because it's too hurtful. So in this way that hurt can cause a relationship to simulate an enemy. This is all in how it appears. Even in my first few posts on this (post 639) I mention "perspective" many times. As it's all about appearances.

 

[Ken-1122]

If numbers are not a part of math. Then what class do you learn numbers in?

I never said numbers are not a part of math; I never even addressed math; remember? Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

 

[Ken-1122]

If numbers are not a part of math. Then what class do you learn numbers in? The fact that you cannot answer this question should indicate that your posts are clearly wrong and inaccurate. .

To suggest I learned numbers in a math class would be as absurd as saying I learned the alphabet in a spelling class.

 

[Kylie]

in my situation it was all about appearances. When someone breaks up with someone in a relationship, they can still be friends. But most likely the person hurt will not want that because it's too hurtful. So in this way that hurt can cause a relationship to simulate an enemy. This is all in how it appears. Even in my first few posts on this (post 639) I mention "perspective" many times. As it's all about appearances.

I'm talking about post 631 where you said:

Say a girl loves you and she wants to marry you and she asks? Do you love me? And you say, I am neutral. Do you think she will be happy? Or feel rejected? The love she has has not been reciprocated. In essence not loving her is the same as hating her.​

From this woman's point of view, if the man doesn't love her, he hates her. As per my claim in post 659, "If you are not in this particular category, then you are diametrically opposed in every way to that category." And like I said in that same post, it is a false dichotomy.

 

[createdtoworship]

I never even addressed math; remember? Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

you addressed math repeatedly, let me remind you:

Math is calculating numbers. Arithmetic is one of many branches of math. So even though all arithmetic equations are calculations, calculations are not limited to arithmetic; so your claim that calculations = arithmetic is wrong thus your argument fails.

Math is calculating numbers. To point to 1 number is not calculating it. Your argument failed

so again, what class do you learn numbers in?

The fact that you cannot say "math class"

without refuting your posts, shows me that this discussion is done.

 

[createdtoworship]

I'm talking about post 631 where you said:

Say a girl loves you and she wants to marry you and she asks? Do you love me? And you say, I am neutral. Do you think she will be happy? Or feel rejected? The love she has has not been reciprocated. In essence not loving her is the same as hating her.​

From this woman's point of view, if the man doesn't love her, he hates her. As per my claim in post 659, "If you are not in this particular category, then you are diametrically opposed in every way to that category." And like I said in that same post, it is a false dichotomy.

not if what I said was not literal. I have repeatedly said it is about appearance. In this case, she loves someone who does not love her back. He is not really neutral. If you can prove He is neutral in her eyes then maybe you would have a point. But really you have "he loves me, or he loves me not" no neutral zone. So it's not even really a false dichotomy. A dichotomy yes, not a false one. Dichotomies are prevalent in the universe. Something is either true or it is not. A premise is either valid, or invalid. You either commit fallacy, or you don't. Dichotomies are everywhere.

 

[createdtoworship]

To suggest I learned numbers in a math class would be as absurd as saying I learned the alphabet in a spelling class.

you did learn spelling in the spelling section of general education. Similiarly numbers are taught in a chapter in general education under subcategory "math." So this analogy fails.

 

[Kylie]

not if what I said was not literal. I have repeatedly said it is about appearance. In this case, she loves someone who does not love her back. He is not really neutral. If you can prove He is neutral in her eyes then maybe you would have a point. But really you have "he loves me, or he loves me not" no neutral zone. So it's not even really a false dichotomy. A dichotomy yes, not a false one. Dichotomies are prevalent in the universe. Something is either true or it is not. A premise is either valid, or invalid. You either commit fallacy, or you don't. Dichotomies are everywhere.

So the woman doesn't literally view it as hatred?

And yes it is a false dichotomy, because there are more than two categories apart from love and hate. Do I love you? No, I barely know you. That doesn't mean I hate you. "Not love" does not mean the same thing as "hate".

 

[createdtoworship]

So the woman doesn't literally view it as hatred?

And yes it is a false dichotomy, because there are more than two categories apart from love and hate. Do I love you? No, I barely know you. That doesn't mean I hate you. "Not love" does not mean the same thing as "hate".

I am not saying she does not literally view it as hatred, I am saying that just because she does view it literally as hatred does not mean it's literally hatred. It's just the way she sees it. But for our purposes here, when loving other people, it might as well be hatred. A relationship is a bad analogy for that last sentence. But what I was saying is that when we love people it is important to get feedback. For example if I said to a hispanic or african american, "I love how you tan so easily and get dark skin." As a white person that may be taken completely the wrong way. I was innocent in my compliment, but it was not taken that way possibly as innocent. It may be that I was trying to say they are different than me, in a negative way (even thought that did not cross my mind). So all I am saying is it's important to step into the mind of the other person, to see how your actions affect them. I do this quite often, although not as often as I should.

 

[Ken-1122]

you addressed math repeatedly, let me remind you:

That was a different conversation.

so again, what class do you learn numbers in?

The fact that you cannot say "math class"

without refuting your posts, shows me that this discussion is done.

You don't learn numbers in math class, you learn numbers in Kindergarden. Once you've learn numbers, THEN you learn how to calculate those numbers, and you learn to calculate numbers in Math class.

 

[Ken-1122]

you did learn spelling in the spelling section of general education.

I said learn the ALPHABET. (you need to learn to address what I say) I did not learn alphabets in spelling class..

Similiarly numbers are taught in a chapter in general education under subcategory "math." So this analogy fails.

See above in my previous reply

 

[createdtoworship]

That was a different conversation.



You don't learn numbers in math class, you learn numbers in Kindergarden. Once you've learn numbers, THEN you learn how to calculate those numbers, and you learn to calculate numbers in Math class.

again if you wish to go this route, what chapter of the book in kindergarten do you learn numbers in? The math chapter. You simply cannot win this argument. Notice how none of your colleagues are defending you on this. It is just a bizarre sort of thing to say that numbers especially temperature is not math. If you simply post numbers (that is math even though there is no calculations)