WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

Kermos said:
You try to force your narrow interpretation upon God's Word in Exodus 20:2-6. In order to expose your error, here is the full passage:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Now, verse 5 and 6 can stand alone as a complete sentence which carries this meaning:

"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments." (Exodus 20:5-6)

In your narrow interpretation, you try to impose Exodus 20:5-6 to define the meaning of Exodus 20:4. Your interpretation defies the grammatical construct of God's Word! Verse 4 is a complete sentence that stand on it's own with:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth." (Exodus 20:4)

There are two separate "You shall not" sentences.

Exodus 20:5-6 does not preclude the meaning of Exodus 20:4 as a stand alone sentence and command of God because Exodus 20:4 is exactly a command of God. At the same time, Exodus 20:4 adds meaning to Exodus 20:5-6, but Exodus 20:5-6 is leaning on Exodus 20:2 and/or Exodus 20:4 yet the reciprocal is not valid particularly because of the grammatical contructs of God's Word which can be seen in "Grammatical Explanation of Exodus 20:2-6 Post for the Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread), with this being the "Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread) in which a drivers license or some ID with a likeness of a person who keeps the Law of the Old Covenant remains logically and lexically correct.

God is the Master Orator, and God means what God says. I am thankful to God that I am free of the Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:13) by the power of the Blood of the New Covenant of Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 22:20), this Lord of the Sabbath that satisfies the Law (Matthew 12:8, Matthew 5:17)!

You have bound yourself to Exodus 20:4 because you have bound yourself to Exodus 20:8. You have bound yourself to the 10 commandments. James wrote "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one [point], he has become guilty of all" (James 2:10).

At the same time that you have expressed your defiance of God's Word regarding Exodus 20:4 with your narrow interpretation of Exodus 20:2-6, at the very same time, you try to bind/teach/impose the words of Exodus 20:8-9 on we children of God whom are not bound by the Old Covenant as revealed by God's Word in "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly showing God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments as recorded in Exodus 20. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

You were being deceptive in the "AN EXPOSURE OF YOU TRYING TO LITERALLY ADD THE 10 COMMANDMENTS TO THE WORDS OF THE APOSTLE JOHN IN 1 JOHN 3:3-15 POST", and as scripture states, a little leaven does leaven the whole loaf; meanwhile, you committed that deception during the time that you have been trying to twist Exodus 20:4 into your narrow interpretation.

Listen to these words, for in the Word of God is life eternal:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"For the Law, since it has [only] a shadow of the good things to come [and] not the very form of things" (Hebrews 10:1)

"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'" (Luke 22:20)

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

Brother your just repeating yourself here while making accusations that have no basis in truth without addressing any of the scriptures in the post that you have snipped out that disagree with you. You are free to believe as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgment day *ROMANS 14:10; JOHN 12:47-48.

As posted earlier the CONTEXT you leave out of EXODUS 20:4 has lead you to errors in your interpretation of the scriptures. When CONTEXT is added back into EXODUS 20:4 and read with EXODUS 20:3-6 the interpretation of the scriptures are read in reference to making idols and serving other Gods as shown below.

EXODUS 20:3-6
[3], You shall have no other gods before me.
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

When you add the context back in to EXODUS 20:4 with EXODUS 20:3-6 it does not say what you are claiming brother.

Now by all means brother, God's 1st and 2nd Commandments *EXODUS 20:3-6 are two of God's 10 commandments that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments just like God's 4th commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

If you believe that for example you should not have any photos of anything or painting etc for the sake of not having them then by all means please go ahead and live by what you believe God's WORD is saying to you because it is written...

JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

Now do you have any photos, paintings, replicas of anything in the heavens or under from the earth in your home and if you have does that mean you are sinning against God?

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

Kermos said:
Again, you try to impose the shadow on the substance, but God's Word shows that you are wrong. Here is the Word of God speaking: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17) "For the Law, since it has [only] a shadow of the good things to come [and] not the very form of things" (Hebrews 10:1)

Brother your just repeating yourself here without addressing any of the posts and scriptures only sent in love and as a help that disagree with you. As posted earlier you are free to believe as you wish we as we all answer only to God come judgment day *ROMANS 14:10; JOHN 12:47-48. Sadly for many at this time however it will be too late *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

The role of God's ETERNAL LAW in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

It is your understanding of what you believe the OLD COVENANT is that is the problem. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in the NEW *ROMANS 3:20.

Your post here has already been responded to with God's WORD showing what is posted to you in this post is true showing that you mix up God's SHADOW laws written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

This is demonstrated in your interpretation of HEBREWS 10:1. As shown earlier and below; Ignoring God's WORD brother does not make it dissappear.

Kermos said:
"For the Law, since it has [only] a shadow of the good things to come [and] not the very form of things" (Hebrews 10:1)

Thanks for posting this scripture, however it does not support your claims that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 in the NEW COVENANT has been abolished. Why are you only part quoting the scripture here in HEBREWS 10:1? The part you leave out shows your application is in error. This scripture actually supports what is being shared with you and that is you mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sins in the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Let's look at the scripture you quote from HEBREWS 10:1 and add the rest of the CONTEXT you leave out to show what the SHADOWS and SUBSTANCE are?

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE FOR THE TIME THEN PRESENT, IN WHICH WERE OFFERED BOTH GIFTS AND SACRIFICES, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) but the SHADOW laws of sin offereings from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures). Can you see your error here brother?

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

Kermos said:
Your words try to get people to keep the 7th day sabbath as recorded in the Old Covenant, but your words are not in accord with God's Word.

Respecting lawlessness, it is lawlessness not to keep Jesus' words as is shown in this passage (Matthew 7:12-27):

12 "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn [bushes] nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter].
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell ? and great was its fall."

Treating people the same way you want them to treat you is the Law and the Prophets (verse 12) and the Law includes Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments.

The person bearing good fruit does what Jesus says otherwise it is lawlessness (verses 17, 18, 22-27).

Don't forget that Jesus satisfied the Law including the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17), so that we believers are free in Jesus with the Holy Spirit giving us Godly fruit (John 3:21)!

Keeping the Old Covenant is not what Jesus said to do; on the other hand, God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly shows God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

Hear, hear!

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Hear, hear!

Indeed many only hear what they want to.

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed you are, as posted earlier a conversation goes two ways. I asked you questions first but answered your questions first and yet you have ignored my questions and the OP here. I will be happy to answer your questions further once you answer my questions relating to the OP here.

You made this same statement to me and have yet to preform your chosen end of the bargain.

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed many only hear what they want to.

That doesn't exclude you. BTW as you keep saying God's sheep hear His voice. The evidence is you're upset because we don't bow to you.

safswan · Mar 8, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
And, LGW wanted to know how a commandment of God becomes a commandment or doctrine or teaching of men, so I showed you guys...

All you did was give your opinion as you have no scriptural support for your assertion.The passage referring to such actions had men rejecting the command to honour father and mother and instead instituting their own rule about what was to be done instead.They did not change a command of God into a command of men but rejected the command of God and instituted their own command.Post #1554 had explained this before but as usual you ignore all that is presented which clearly shows your position to be erroneous and continue in the folly of a lawless gospel,something,Luther,Benjamin Keach,John Bunyan,John Smyth,Tyndale,and Baptist church manuals and confessions all denounce.

safswan · Mar 8, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
Many, many other people have provided you guys with more than enough scripture in this thread as well, but you choose to ignore them I guess, to keep "your law", and it is "your law", not God's...

Nothing presented so far has answered the questions of the OP.Many other questions have been asked and positions advanced using scripture,which have not been responded to but have been ignored by you and others in your error.

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all brother. The scriptures and posts provided and only sent in love as a help to you show that it is your interpretation of God's WORD that is in error not God's WORD. If we find that our interpretations of the scriptures contradicts other scriptures on the same topic it should be a warning to us that we do not understand the scriptures correctly. God's WORD does not contradict itself.

The NT and New Covenant override the OT and Old Covenant making the previous covenant ineffective or obsolete.

Believers are indeed covered by the BLOOD of JESUS in the NEW COVENANT.

You don't believe this in any way. That's why you try to cover yourself with your amended law keeping. Say that isn't so. Give up the 7th day sabbath requirement for salvation. You say that's not so but post about unrepentant sin sin. Any one in their right mind knows you don't keep Ex 20:8-11 which you won't discuss.

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

safswan said:
Nothing presented so far has answered the questions of the OP.Many other questions have been asked and positions advanced using scripture,which have not been responded to but have been ignored by you and others in your error.

The answers demanded by the OP can't be found in the Scripture. So the OP really asks a rhetorical question not base in Scripture. Effectively isn't the slightest bit interested in the Scripture. He may fool lots of ignorant people into thinking he's making a Scriptural based argument. The OP poster repeatedly by passes Scripture that answers his question.

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all brother. Only God's WORD is provided to you and you provide your own words. That is why you cannot show any scriptures that show that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday.

If we're to worship God every day, your objection is invalid.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

ace of hearts said:
If we're to worship God every day, your objection is invalid.

God's WORD disagrees with you. God's 4th commandment says;

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

Are you keeping HOLY the SEVENTH DAY Sabbath from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday and not doing any of your own work dedicating the day to God as a memorial of creation? If we did this everyday would not be able to live.

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

ace of hearts said:
The answers demanded by the OP can't be found in the Scripture.

Here you go, thanks for being honest here. Now if there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandments has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day who should we believe the Word of God or the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God? JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we then BELIEVE; Jesus or man made traditions that lead others to break the commandments of God? I know who I BELIEVE and FOLLOW *ROMANS 3:4; ACT 5:28 how about you?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

ace of hearts said:
The NT and New Covenant override the OT and Old Covenant making the previous covenant ineffective or obsolete

We are in the NEW COVENANT now brother not the OLD COVENANT. No one is telling you to live in the OLD COVENANT. If no one is telling you to keep the OLD COVENANT why pretend that they are? According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is your understanding of what you believe the OLD COVENANT is that is the problem. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in the NEW *ROMANS 3:20.

ace of hearts said:
You don't believe this in any way. That's why you try to cover yourself with your amended law keeping. Say that isn't so. Give up the 7th day sabbath requirement for salvation. You say that's not so but post about unrepentant sin sin. Any one in their right mind knows you don't keep Ex 20:8-11 which you won't discuss.

Hmm well none of that has any truth in it. All I hear are your words again brother arguing with God's WORD. Did you have any scriptures to share? Only posted in love as a help to you.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You made this same statement to me and have yet to preform your chosen end of the bargain.

Well that has no truth in it. I have answered all your posts section by section and scripture by scripture. Your response is to ignore these posts and the scriptures provided that have only been provided in love as a help to you. In response you provide your own words that disagree with God's WORD. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God not me brother *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why should we not believe God’s WORD?

Something to think about as we all answer only to God come judgment day *2 CORINTHIANS 5:10; JOHN 12:47-48. Sadly for many at this time however it will be to late *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

safswan · Mar 8, 2019

NBB said:
That could be interpreted perfectly as any day that a person esteems, if sabbath was so important Paul needed to be more clear, also there are another scriptures, like the one that says that let nobody judge you about sabbath days. People add to the plain interpretation of that saying that is another sabbaths not the normal one. That is not reading the plain interpretation and is adding second intentions.

What is clear is,Paul never used the word Sabbath in Romans 14.It is also clear that a Sabbath could not be in reference here as it is not a day esteemed by man but one esteemed by God.The fact that Paul refers to the law and prophets to support his position(Romans 15:1-4) is proof of this as these scriptures do not refer to the Sabbath in this way nor gives any leeway for someone to choose their own Sabbath.

The statement about not judging about Sabbath days is explained in the study below:

THE REAL SHADOW

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of an holy day,or of the new moon,or of the Sabbath days:which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ."[Colossians 2:16,17]

This scripture is the one most easily used to say, the Sabbath is no longer to be observed as this was only a shadow of things to come.

An examination of the context however will reveal clearly that the Sabbath mentioned in the passage could not be a reference to the weekly Sabbath.

The scriptures do show Paul affirming the ten commandments and the law in general as being used by the Christian to identify sin and for us to know what is love.[Romans 13:8-9;7:7;I Timothy 1:8-11]

How could he,in Colossians 2:16,17,be proscribing Sabbath observance.This would be contradictory not only to his own writings but also to the whole counsel of scripture.[Matthew 5:17-20;19:16-19;I John 3:4; James 2:9-12;Romans 2:11-13]

Paul in Colossians 2,is explaining the value of Christ to those who have believed in him. He says:

"And ye are complete in him....In whom also ye are circumcised....,in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.[Colossians 2:10,11]

He elaborates:

"And you being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,hath he quickened together with Him,having forgiven you all trespasses;blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,which was contrary to us and took it out of the way,nailing it to His cross."[Colossians 2:13,14]

From the above we see that Jesus by His death on the cross has caused our sins to be forgiven.This happened because His death caused the handwriting of ordinances which were against us to be blotted out.But what are these handwriting of ordinances?

The passage implies,sins were committed, which put into effect ordinances, which were against us because of these sins.

Some claim they were the ten commandments ie. get rid of the law and apparently you will get rid of sin.If this was so then there would be no need for Christ to die.Others say they were the written records of our sins.The text and scriptures do not support either claim.

handwriting - cheirographos(Grk),something hand written ie.,a manuscript,spec.a legal document or bond ie.a covenant or binding agreement.

ordinances - dogma(Grk),a law.

Without various human philosophies which try to interpret this phrase,the meaning is clear.The handwriting of ordinances which were against us refers to a legal document or a law by which persons are bound and which had to do with our sins.

Were the ten commandments against us because they show us our sins? No.[Romans 7:7-13;I John 5:3]

"For sin,taking occasion by the commandment,deceived me,and by it slew me.Wherefore the law is holy,and the commandment holy just and good."[Romans 7:11,12]

The problem is sin and the fact that sin brings a curse and death which was prescribed by the law.These are the handwriting of ordinances which were against us.The most far reaching of these ordinances was found in Deuteronomy 27:26:

"Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of the law to do them.And all the people shall say amen."[See also, Deuteronomy 27:1-26;Ezekiel 18:4,20]

Paul in commenting on this said:

"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law,being made a curse for us:for it is written,Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."[Galatians 3:13;see,vs.10-12]

Surely a curse is against us and would require either the life of the sinner or of some suitable substitute.Christ is now that substitute according to the apostle Paul.[Colossians 2:13,14;Galatians 3:13.] Prior to Christ,how was this done?

The focus of Paul in Colossians 2:10-15 is to show that the work of Christ is sufficient to make us righteous in God's sight.The curse is removed and those practices which mitigated against the curse are now no longer necessary because of Christ's death also.Hence Paul says:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat and drink....."[Colossians 2:16,17]

The offerings and sacrifices made in the old covenant to mitigate against the curse are replaced by the one and perfect sacrifice of Christ.

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things,can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect....For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins."[Hebrews 10:1-4]

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. [Hebrews 9:9-12]

It is the sacrifices and feasts in which they took place year by year that are the shadows of Colossians 2:16,17.[See,Leviticus 23]

"These are the feasts of the Lord,which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations,to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord,a burnt offering,and a meat offering,a sacrifice,and drink offerings,everything upon His day."[Leviticus 23:37;Hebrews 9:6-10]

These yearly feasts had Sabbaths attached to them(holy convocations) and it is these which are being referred to in Colossians 2:16,17, not the Sabbath of the ten commandments. Special sacrifices and activities also took place on the new moon which was important in determining the times for the feasts.[Numbers 10:10;28:11]

Paul is simply trying to show that the Lord Jesus has replaced those sacrifices and hence we longer have to perform them nor keep the feasts and days in which these were scheduled to occur.

Note that the weekly Sabbath was made long before Israel and before sin came into the world,whereas the feasts and associated Sabbaths were introduced because of sin and the need to atone for the same.[Jeremiah 7:21-23; Galatians 3:19:Genesis 2:1,2;Mark 2:27.]

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
As posted earlier in the post you snipped out, I suggest you go back and re-read the scriptures brother. This is what I have been sharing with you.

MATTHEW 7:22-23 [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work INIQUITY. (KJV)

This GREEK word INIQUITY is also translated as LAWLESSNESS in some other bible versions
The GREEK word used here is ἀνομία; anomia (G458) From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

So the GREEK word used here ἀνομία; anomia for the english words of INIQUITY or LAWLESSNESS means to be without LAW breaking God's LAW or SIN.

Not submitting to a replaced covenant (law) isn't a sin nor lawlessness.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Not submitting to a replaced covenant (law) isn't a sin nor lawlessness.

As posted earlier lawlessness means to be without law or to sin which God's WORD defines as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:20. Sorry brother but God's WORD does not teach lawlessness in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS. We are in the NEW COVENANT now brother not the OLD COVENANT. No one is telling you to live in the OLD COVENANT. If no one is telling you to keep the OLD COVENANT why pretend that they are? According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is your understanding of what you believe the OLD COVENANT is that is the problem. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in the NEW *ROMANS 3:20. If we have no law then we have no knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20 and if we do not know what sin is we have no need of a Savior to save us from our sins. If we have no Saviour to save us from our sins then we are lost not having salvation because we are still in our sin because we have rejected the gift of Gods dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Can you see where this is leading? Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts · Mar 8, 2019

safswan said:
What is clear is,Paul never used the word Sabbath in Romans 14.It is also clear that a Sabbath could not be in reference here as it is not a day esteemed by man but one esteemed by God.The fact that Paul refers to the law and prophets to support his position(Romans 15:1-4) is proof of this as these scriptures do not refer to the Sabbath in this way nor gives any leeway for someone to choose their own Sabbath.

So you're trying to say here you don't respect the sabbath day. Give us a break. Besides that Romans 14 isn't about what God does.

The statement about not judging about Sabbath days is explained in the study below:

THE REAL SHADOW

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of an holy day,or of the new moon,or of the Sabbath days:which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ."[Colossians 2:16,17]

According to your buddy LGW shadow laws have passed. The quoted passage says the sabbaths are shadows.es that you essentially claimed above you don't respect the sabbath day. This is so you can invalidate (disbelieve) Rom 14, God's Word.

safswan · Mar 8, 2019

NBB said:
This looks the same as the foods, it says 'nobody judge you about food or drink' among other scriptures, and we know from what those people are not to be judged in that time, is about the impure animals, what excuses do you have to twist that scripture and says not to eat for example pork?

You speak of impure animals as being what is referred to when it says not to judge about foods.Could you say what the drink is that was referred to?

WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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