Where does "allah" say...

[Bookofknowledge]

"Ahadith" is plural to begin with, and refers to

Genesis…Joseph’s dream…
These ayahs pertain to the lineage of Isaac/Israel.


Further, these ayahs confirm that the Lord’s blessing is completed through Israel’s people.


Perhaps you want to "re-think" your understanding of "ahadith"....

If it is similar or common then why don't you agree on what is common instead of saying Paraphrase?

We muslims never claimed we don't belong from the desendent of Adam(AS), Nuh (AS), Ibraheem (AS)...

Even Qur'aan teaches come to what is common...

You want to talk about ahadiths of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) then we can talk about it, if you want to talk about the Ahadith of previous Prophets then we can talk about those Prophets.

If you want to talk about Allah Reminding Mankind through Qur'aan when Yusuf (AS) was talking to his father narrating what he saw in his dream then sure we can talk about Yusuf (AS) and His dream.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Here is something I think we can both agree on. There is an eternal future for the saints of God. The verse comes from a passage talking about worldly kingdoms and how they will all one day pass away. What are your views on this kingdom.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Here is something I think we can both agree on. There is an eternal future for the saints of God. The verse comes from a passage talking about worldly kingdoms and how they will all one day pass away. What are your views on this kingdom.

I assume you are asking my view, if incase you haven't asked me then my mistake...

If you have researched the nature of Prophets or righteous saints they have no intrest in wordly affairs, they live happyly on what Allah has provided them as their sustanance.

This earth is so fragile that mankind can go extinct so stating a kingdom on earth forever and ever is not an option.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

I assume you are asking my view, if incase you haven't asked me then my mistake...

Yep I was asking you. What do you make of this verse:

Luk 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
Luk 14:16 But he said unto him, A certain man made a great supper; and he bade many:
Luk 14:17 and he sent forth his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
Luk 14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a field, and I must needs go out and see it; I pray thee have me excused.
Luk 14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them; I pray thee have me excused.
Luk 14:20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
Luk 14:21 And the servant came, and told his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor and maimed and blind and lame.
Luk 14:22 And the servant said, Lord, what thou didst command is done, and yet there is room.
Luk 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and constrain them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luk 14:24 For I say unto you, that none of those men that were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Luk 14:25 Now there went with him great multitudes: and he turned, and said unto them,
Luk 14:26 If any man cometh unto me, and hateth not his own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 Whosoever doth not bear his own cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Yep I was asking you. What do you make of this verse:

People have the tendency to leave one party and go to another for many reasons... The host mentioned in the verses (If it is Isa (AS)) then what Luke is saying is Host got angry whereas by nature Isa (AS) was humble and was not like someone who is hard to deal with...

I usually don't like commenting on verses however if you have a question let me know and I will try my best to response based on my limited knowledge...

 

[ApplePie7]

If it is similar or common then why don't you agree on what is common instead of saying Paraphrase?

This is to show followers of Islam that their book of faith points directly to the Holy Bible.

The Koran leaves-out the Biblical detail, hence if you want the full truth you must refer to the Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is required to correct and clarify the Koran in all manner of things.

We muslims never claimed we don't belong from the desendent of Adam(AS), Nuh (AS), Ibraheem (AS)...

Muslims believe that they are of the lineage of Ishmael.

The Koran states that the Lord's promise is fullfilled though Isaac, only.

Thus, if Muslims want to deny this, and follow the path of the disbelievers, of Ishmael, then they will see the second death.

Even Qur'aan teaches come to what is common...

The Koran copies the Holy Bible.

Period.

You want to talk about ahadiths of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) then we can talk about it, if you want to talk about the Ahadith of previous Prophets then we can talk about those Prophets.

As you have witnessed first-hand, ahadith are Biblical material according to the Koran.

If you want to talk about Allah Reminding Mankind through Qur'aan when Yusuf (AS) was talking to his father narrating what he saw in his dream then sure we can talk about Yusuf (AS) and His dream.

How is it that the authors of the Koran copied this Genesis story...?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

This is to show followers of Islam that their book of faith points directly to the Holy Bible.

The Koran leaves-out the Biblical detail, hence if you want the full truth you must refer to the Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is required to correct and clarify the Koran in all manner of things.

Muslims believe that they are of the lineage of Ishmael.

The Koran states that the Lord's promise is fullfilled though Isaac, only.

Thus, if Muslims want to deny this, and follow the path of the disbelievers, of Ishmael, then they will see the second death.

The Koran copies the Holy Bible.

Period.

As you have witnessed first-hand, ahadith are Biblical material according to the Koran.

How is it that the authors of the Koran copied this Genesis story...?

Why do you always have to be in such a rush and not think through your responses?

Bible Itself should only consist of Jesus era, if you include what happen before Isa (AS) came to preach then you are copying Torah.

Don't be an ignorant by claiming God didn't sent Prophets and Messengers prior to Isa (AS) and with every Prophet God sent a reminder and a warrning.

If you have a Bible in which you find what's been revealed in Torah then are confirming that you copied it from Torah?

Most of the Muslims are of desendents of Ishameel but not all of them... Remember the promise of God to Abraham, the covanant is not for those who disobey. Don't act as a person who have no knowledge to say rest of Mankind is not a Creation of God except yourself. It is God who gives salvation to whome he pleases and it is not through a dictorial process of lineage.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Bible Itself should only consist of Jesus era, if you include what happen before Isa (AS) came to preach then you are copying Torah.

Salam. It appears to me it does but then the Jews do not read the NC book of our Bible [including the book of Revelation which is essentially concerning them]. So what need of there for Muhammad LOL...

Matthew 24:3 Of-sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives, toward-came to Him the disciples according part/to-own saying, "Be telling to us when these-things shall be? And what the sign of-the Thy Parousia, and of-the together-finish/sunteleiaV <4930> of the Age?"

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the Loosing/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 16/19]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out a Voice, great, out of the Sanctuary from the Throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Revelation 21:6]

 

[ApplePie7]

Why do you always have to be in such a rush and not think through your responses?

Our responses are based upon what is stated in the classic Arabic....the language that you don't know....nor do you want to know...

Bible Itself should only consist of Jesus era, if you include what happen before Isa (AS) came to preach then you are copying Torah.

The OT speaks of Jesus, was divinely inspired, and is an integral part of the creator's word.

The Koran, on the other hand, was not divinely inspired, and merely copied the Holy Bible and points to it as the truth.

Don't be an ignorant by claiming God didn't sent Prophets and Messengers prior to Isa (AS) and with every Prophet God sent a reminder and a warrning.

Only an ignorant would think that the Koranic "Muhammad" was anything more than an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ.

If you have a Bible in which you find what's been revealed in Torah then are confirming that you copied it from Torah?

The Torah is part of the Holy Bible.

The Koran, on the other hand, copied from the Torah, and proudly declares this as fact.

Further, the Koran is incomplete and requires constant correction from the Holy Bible in all manner of things.

Most of the Muslims are of desendents of Ishameel but not all of them...

Then that means that they are the disbelievers and that the lord's covenant will not be fullfilled in them.

Remember the promise of God to Abraham, the covanant is not for those who disobey.

Even the Koran states that the covenant is fullfilled through Isaac.

Don't act as a person who have no knowledge to say rest of Mankind is not a Creation of God except yourself. It is God who gives salvation to whome he pleases and it is not through a dictorial process of lineage.

Perhaps you need to start reading your book of faith.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Those verse I gave you to read speak of the way we need to act at times to maintain faith in God. We need to stand up for what God is doing. Even if our families and friends do not agree with us, even to the point of death.

I believe as time progreses you will realise that Jesus is the God of the bible, for you it will be a hard thing to do but you will need to stand up to the critics. Eternal reward awaits those who follow Jesus.

I will share with you another story of God speaking directly to me, so you can see that faith in Jesus is not empty:

I was praying and asking Jesus for cures for diseases, at the same time I thought would it not be fun to create a dinasour (knowing nothing is impossible for God). So I prayed and asked if he would allow me. Instantly the word "I bood" entered my mind, bood was a word I had never heard before. I looked it up on the internet and found that the word bood is a gentle way to say no. It is used by an asian tribe. So I knew that God was saying in a kind way no.

Neh 6:16 And it came to pass, when all our enemies heard thereof, that all the nations that were about us feared, and were much cast down in their own eyes; for they perceived that this work was wrought of our God.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Salam. It appears to me it does but then the Jews do not read the NC book of our Bible [including the book of Revelation which is essentially concerning them]. So what need of there for Muhammad LOL...

So If I find anything related to commandments revealed to Moses, then it's confimed you are grosly mistaken about Jesus Era.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Our responses are based upon what is stated in the classic Arabic....the language that you don't know....nor do you want to know...

If I can be sarcastic, The bible that you read itself is not in it's original language, so what you braging about Classic Arabic, atleast we find Qur'aan in Arabic whereas Bible has a completly different language.

I guess you are the only one in the entire world who knows Classic Arabic... give me break

The OT speaks of Jesus, was divinely inspired, and is an integral part of the creator's word.

The Koran, on the other hand, was not divinely inspired, and merely copied the Holy Bible and points to it as the truth.

What you are saying is that you can be selfish.

When it comes to OT it's not copying yet ironically some how Qur'aan has voilated copyrights issues even though Muslims claim it's been revealed by same God.

Only an ignorant would think that the Koranic "Muhammad" was anything more than an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ.

thinking and believing are two different platforms.

The Torah is part of the Holy Bible.

The Koran, on the other hand, copied from the Torah, and proudly declares this as fact.

Further, the Koran is incomplete and requires constant correction from the Holy Bible in all manner of things.

Since when did Torah became to the Part of Bible? As far as I know Torah was revealed before the era of Jesus.

Then that means that they are the disbelievers and that the lord's covenant will not be fullfilled in them.

What kind of life you are living under the teachings of Isa Ibn Maryam (AS)... Ever though you God gave life to those who you call disbelievers?

Even the Koran states that the covenant is fullfilled through Isaac.
Perhaps you need to start reading your book of faith.

Dude, how much knowledge you don't have?

The covenant was made to Abraham hence all his desentants are included. you can be selfish in saying "It's Mine and Mine alone"

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Those verse I gave you to read speak of the way we need to act at times to maintain faith in God. We need to stand up for what God is doing. Even if our families and friends do not agree with us, even to the point of death.

I believe as time progreses you will realise that Jesus is the God of the bible, for you it will be a hard thing to do but you will need to stand up to the critics. Eternal reward awaits those who follow Jesus.

I will share with you another story of God speaking directly to me, so you can see that faith in Jesus is not empty:

I was praying and asking Jesus for cures for diseases, at the same time I thought would it not be fun to create a dinasour (knowing nothing is impossible for God). So I prayed and asked if he would allow me. Instantly the word "I bood" entered my mind, bood was a word I had never heard before. I looked it up on the internet and found that the word bood is a gentle way to say no. It is used by an asian tribe. So I knew that God was saying in a kind way no.

if you can accept the death of an innocent human even though the commandments of God is clear on killing unjustly (innocents) for selfish salvation then you have free-Will and free to believe God is unjust.

Based on Islamic teachings, Satan and Jins can wisper in the heart and mind of Mankind too. If you want to be certain it's from God, you can learn about Istekhara.

 

[ApplePie7]

If I can be sarcastic, The bible that you read itself is not in it's original language, so what you braging about Classic Arabic, atleast we find Qur'aan in Arabic whereas Bible has a completly different language.

False.

The Holy Bible can be studied in its original languages, just like the Koran can.

You choose to ignore the original languages.

I guess you are the only one in the entire world who knows Classic Arabic... give me break

There are many people who study classic Arabic.

You are not one of them.

When it comes to OT it's not copying yet ironically some how Qur'aan has voilated copyrights issues even though Muslims claim it's been revealed by same God.

The authors of the Koran quite clearly state that they merely copied the previously inspired scriptures into their new opus.

Muslims do not worship the same creator of the universe as revealed in the Holy Bible.

Muslims worship Satan.

They take an entire month based upon the phases of the moon to worship him.

btw...how is ramadan going for you...?

Since when did Torah became to the Part of Bible? As far as I know Torah was revealed before the era of Jesus.

The Torah has always been part of God's word.

How many thousands of years after it was written did the authors of the Koran decide to add it to their opus?

The covenant was made to Abraham hence all his desentants are included. you can be selfish in saying "It's Mine and Mine alone"

False.

The Lords' covenant is with Isaac's lineage.

This lineage is with the believers from which Jesus Christ traces His earthly heritage and of which represents His believers.

If you say that you follow the lineage of Ishmael, then this means that you are a disbeliever, and do not take Jesus Christ as your lord and savior - which is most appropriate for Muslims, now isn't it...

 

[Bookofknowledge]

False.
The Holy Bible can be studied in its original languages, just like the Koran can.

You choose to ignore the original languages.

What language Bible was revealed? and what language you can speak?

There are many people who study classic Arabic.

You are not one of them.

I guess none of those who know classic Arabic are Muslim scholars.

The authors of the Koran quite clearly state that they merely copied the previously inspired scriptures into their new opus.

Nice way to ignore Bible has copied material from Torah.

Muslims do not worship the same creator of the universe as revealed in the Holy Bible.

Muslims worship Satan.

If don't have common sense then that's not my problem, what part of Muslims statements confirm Muslims worship Satan when they invoke God by saying "O Lord of Nuh (AS)"

They take an entire month based upon the phases of the moon to worship him.

btw...how is ramadan going for you...?

Alhamdulillah it's going good so far, thanks for asking... why wouldn't we take a sign from God to calculate the date which God established as Holy Month... Isn't Moon a creation of God?

The Torah has always been part of God's word.

How many thousands of years after it was written did the authors of the Koran decide to add it to their opus?

So you can include previous revealed Books in Bible and some how call it copyrigh when God choose to send a reminder though Qru'aan.

False.

The Lords' covenant is with Isaac's lineage.

This lineage is with the believers from which Jesus Christ traces His earthly heritage and of which represents His believers.

Selfish desire.

If you say that you follow the lineage of Ishmael, then this means that you are a disbeliever, and do not take Jesus Christ as your lord and savior - which is most appropriate for Muslims, now isn't it...

when I say I am of the lineage of Ishmael then it proves that I am a desendant of Abraham (AS) not a disbeliever hence the covanant which was made through Abraham still lives with All his desandents and those who follow the faith of Abraham.

 

[ApplePie7]

What language Bible was revealed? and what language you can speak?

The original languages of the Holy Bible are classic Hebrew, some classic Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

All of these languages are studied, not spoken, today...

I guess none of those who know classic Arabic are Muslim scholars.

Are you guessing, or do you know for sure...?

Nice way to ignore Bible has copied material from Torah.

The books of the Torah are part of the Holy Bible, as is.

Christians did not put the Torah in a blender ( such as the authors of the Koran did) and re-package the original for new consumption.

The authors who penned your book of faith wholesale paraphrased the Torah such that, without careful study, the ignorant would be led astray...of which, we call Muslims today...

If don't have common sense then that's not my problem, what part of Muslims statements confirm Muslims worship Satan when they invoke God by saying "O Lord of Nuh (AS)"

The fact that Muslims worship their god "allah" based upon phases of the moon shows us that they are still trapped into worshiping a moon-god.

Alhamdulillah it's going good so far, thanks for asking... why wouldn't we take a sign from God to calculate the date which God established as Holy Month... Isn't Moon a creation of God?

Genesis states that the sun and moon were created for time keeping...not for worshipping.

So you can include previous revealed Books in Bible and some how call it copyrigh when God choose to send a reminder though Qru'aan.

The Koran never, ever states that it was divinely inspired.


Even the authors who penned it understood this....when are you...?

when I say I am of the lineage of Ishmael then it proves that I am a desendant of Abraham (AS) not a disbeliever hence the covanant which was made through Abraham still lives with All his desandents and those who follow the faith of Abraham.

False.

Read your book of faith.

If you are not a believer represented by the the Lord blessed the lineage in which Jesus Christ arose, then you are considered a disbeliever, even by your own book of faith.

As such, if you disbelieve that the Lord's covenant is completed in Jesus Christ, then you will be part of the Second Death.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

The original languages of the Holy Bible are classic Hebrew, some classic Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

All of these languages are studied, not spoken, today...

you have multiple original languages which are not spoken today yet you claim a widly spoken language throughout Arabia and even in America and Muslims scholars who translated and Mastered lingustic Languages doesn't know Classic Arabic...

Are you guessing, or do you know for sure...?

well you tell me, I guess you are the authority to confirm all those Muslims doctorates & PHD's & Scholars have Passed or acheived Kinder Garden Level knowledge...

The books of the Torah are part of the Holy Bible, as is.

Christians did not put the Torah in a blender ( such as the authors of the Koran did) and re-package the original for new consumption.

The authors who penned your book of faith wholesale paraphrased the Torah such that, without careful study, the ignorant would be led astray...of which, we call Muslims today...

How can Torah be a part of Bible? It was revealed way before Jesus was born....

The fact that Muslims worship their god "allah" based upon phases of the moon shows us that they are still trapped into worshiping a moon-god.

Genesis states that the sun and moon were created for time keeping...not for worshipping.

If moon is created by God of Abraham, hell ya we worship the Creator of Moon not moon.

Muslims use the phases of moon to establish holy month, so you should know we Muslims don't worship moon.

The Koran never, ever states that it was divinely inspired.
Even the authors who penned it understood this....when are you...?

3:137
As for those who rejected the Divine Revelations, there have been many examples before you; therefore, travel through the earth and see what was the end of those who rejected the truth.

3:138
This (Al-Qur'an) is a clear declaration to mankind, a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah!

2:119
What clearer sign could there be than this Book? We have sent you (O Muhammad) with the knowledge of the Truth and made you the bearer of
good news and warning; now, you will not be called upon to answer about the actions of the companions of the blazing fire.

False.

Read your book of faith.

If you are not a believer represented by the the Lord blessed the lineage in which Jesus Christ arose, then you are considered a disbeliever, even by your own book of faith.

As such, if you disbelieve that the Lord's covenant is completed in Jesus Christ, then you will be part of the Second Death.

2:105
The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the Mushrikin, would never wish that any good be sent down to you, O Muhammad, from your
Rabb, but Allah chooses for His special Mercy whom He pleases, and Allah is the most Graceful.

2:122
O Children of Israel! Remember the special favor which I bestowed upon you; that I exalted you above all other nations.

2:123
Guard yourselves against the day when one soul shall not avail another, no ransom shall be taken, no intercession shall profit anyone, and no help
shall be given.

2:89
Now when there has come to them a Book from Allah confirming the Holy Books of Torah and Gospel which they already have - even though before this they used to pray for victory against the unbelievers - when there came to them that which they very well recognize, they knowingly rejected it; Allah's curse is on such disbelievers.

2:90
Ridiculous is the price for which they have sold away their souls, that they deny Allah's revelation merely because of their grudge, that Allah should send His grace (on an Israelite rather than ) on whom He pleases from His servants (Muhammad)! They have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath, and for such disbelievers there is a disgraceful punishment.

 

[Secundulus]

How can Torah be a part of Bible? It was revealed way before Jesus was born....

Because Christianity is nothing more than fulfilled Judaism.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Because Christianity is nothing more than fulfilled Judaism.

Thank you, so you are saying that the revelation came through Jesus was a reminder and a warrning to mankind.

5:46
Then in the footsteps of those Prophets, We sent Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary) confirming whatever remained intact from the Taurat in his time, and gave him the Injeel (Gospel) wherein was guidance and light, corroborating what was revealed in the Taurat; a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5:48
To you, O Muhammad, We have revealed this Book with the truth. It confirms whatever has remained intact in the scriptures which came before it and also to safeguard it. Therefore, judge between people according to Allah's revelations and do not yield to their vain desires diverging from the truth which has come to you. We have ordained a law and a Way of life for each of you. If Allah wanted He could have made all of you a single nation. But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you; therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to Allah; then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you dispute.

 

[Secundulus]

Thank you, so you are saying that the revelation came through Jesus was a reminder and a warrning to mankind.

Yes. It was also a clarification.

5:46
Then in the footsteps of those Prophets, We sent Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary) confirming whatever remained intact from the Taurat in his time, and gave him the Injeel (Gospel) wherein was guidance and light, corroborating what was revealed in the Taurat; a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

This is true, notwithstanding that your definition of Torah and Gospel is far different than a Jewish or Christian understanding.

5:48
To you, O Muhammad, We have revealed this Book with the truth. It confirms whatever has remained intact in the scriptures which came before it and also to safeguard it. Therefore, judge between people according to Allah's revelations and do not yield to their vain desires diverging from the truth which has come to you. We have ordained a law and a Way of life for each of you. If Allah wanted He could have made all of you a single nation. But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you; therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to Allah; then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you dispute.

You see, here is the problem. You say the Torah and Gospel is not intact while we say it is. Personally. I am inclined to believe the testimony of multiple Apostles that lived with Jesus rather than the testimony of a man 600 years later that said he spoke to a ghost in a cave.