Where do you stand on the 2020 election

[ZagZig]

Penalty of prison? The testimony wasn’t in court. You didn’t address what I raised.

The affidavits that they wrote and signed, if found to be false, are punishable by prison.

 

[ZagZig]

Hi zagzig,

Yeah, that just isn't what's going on. These are merely declaratory affidavits made in an attorney's office, or even just some mailed in sworn statements. There's no threat of jail for making them and anybody can do it. I mean, if there was any serious threat of jail, half the witnesses that gave sworn statements in every court case in the land would be in prison. We really couldn't hold all the American prisoners then. Some of them may even be just statements called in on the 800 'tell us your story' line. Remember, no one, but the 'trump election fraud' team have seen the bulk of these affidavits.

Remember the 'yuge' book of Trump's healthcare plan that was given to Leslie Stahl. She opened it up and leafed through it and her claim was that it was just a bunch of cobbled together records of EO's and other important documents regarding state matters. She says there was nothing in the book particularly concerning healthcare. That's how the dog and pony show works. They stand up in front of some camera giving some rant about all the fraud and then they hold up a stack of papers or they have them planted on their table next to them. When you go down through them it's just a bunch of miscellaneous papers that are stacked up neatly.

We've already had the reports of some who testified. Here's a real knee slapper: Rudy Attempts to Shush Unhinged ‘Witness’ During Election Fraud Hearing

This lady goes off on all kinds of claims. No registered voters listed in the counties poll book. Turn out rate over 120%. All just ludicrous claims that can be proven just aren't true. When asked what her job was with Dominion, she wasn't able to give a clear response as to her duties. The court deemed her testimony not credible. Even Giuliani tried to shush her as she began to ramble on about all these other myriad and unfounded complaints apart from the issue brought up by her affidavit.

So far, that's been the case of pretty much every witness. Several, when questioned about what they saw, don't even know the implications of what they saw, they just saw something that in their mind seemed curious. So they swore out an affidavit, but when cross examined, had no idea whether or not what they saw constituted any illegal activity. Like I say, and yes I understand that there are a lot of people who don't see it this way, but this, so far, seems to be nothing more than a great dog and pony show that the President of the United States is trying to put over on the American people.

We'll see.

God bless,
ted

An affidavit... is an affidavit. These people are claiming treasonous actions of the different people who had their hands in the counting of the ballets in a US federal election. They are going to be presented in SCOTUS. These people have already and will continue to be threatened and harassed. Look at the testimony of the woman that I posted. Ask yourself, why would she do all that if she was lying? What has she got to gain?

 

[miamited]

Hi zagzig,

You wrote:

That is over 1000 people who are willing, under punishment of prison, to come forward and tell of their eyewitness accounts of many different types of voting fraud?

I think that tales been pretty well debunked already. Are you still trying to hold on to it? No one goes to jail because some out of court affidavit turned out not to be truthful, unless, of course, the prosecutor can prove it was an attempt at fraud. If someone believes in their mind that they're doing the right thing, and please understand that most of these affidavits are just of people who say they saw something, when it is found that the 'something' that they saw really didn't amount to much, they just go home. There have already been cases where affiants were unable to show any cause of fraud, and those people aren't in jail. The judge just makes a determination that the witness isn't credible and everybody goes home.

Trust me, please, or don't, no John Doe citizen is going to go to jail because they filled out an affidavit no matter how it eventually turns out in court.

However, if that's what makes your case, then go for it.

God bless,
ted

 

[miamited]

Hi again zagzig,

Sorry, I should have read this one and I could have responded to them both in the last post. You wrote:

An affidavit... is an affidavit. These people are claiming treasonous actions of the different people who had their hands in the counting of the ballets in a US federal election.

No they aren't!!!!! Get it through, my friend. These are just people swearing to something that they saw or heard, but don't really know whether what they saw or heard was some nefarious plot. You really need to let this go. You're beginning to sound like Sydney Powell and Rudy. Despite being told over and over again, you just keep badgering on about it. Look!!!!! Call an attorney!!!!! Find out if what I'm saying is true or not.

God bless,
ted

 

[Archivist]

The affidavits that they wrote and signed, if found to be false, are punishable by prison.

ted already addressed your posts, but this will back up what he said: "perjury prosecutions are uncommon and virtually by no means come up from statements outdoors of the context of proceedings by which oaths are formally administered."

The full article can be found here: Analysis | Trump’s lawyers have lots of affidavits. That doesn’t mean as much as it seems. – Washington Sources

 

[miamited]

ted already addressed your posts, but this will back up what he said: "perjury prosecutions are uncommon and virtually by no means come up from statements outdoors of the context of proceedings by which oaths are formally administered."

The full article can be found here: Analysis | Trump’s lawyers have lots of affidavits. That doesn’t mean as much as it seems. – Washington Sources

HI archivist,

Or this:

Trump lawsuit affidavits don't show widespread fraud in Michigan

Or this:

What the affidavits to stop Detroit ballot count claimed, and how they were rebutted

Or this:

No, there is not a lot of good evidence behind the Trump suits.

Or this:

Trump's legal team seemingly didn't notice its allegation of election fraud in Michigan is based on data from Minnesota

Or this:

Federal judge in Pennsylvania throws out Trump campaign's 'Frankenstein' lawsuit

Literally stacks of affidavits and so far, not a one deemed to contain any credible evidence of fraud as determined by both Republican and Democrat judges.

Now, Trump is going to try and get the Congress to stop the validation of the electoral college votes. Just another dog and pony show in the life of Donald J. Trump, fraudster, huckster extraordinaire. He hasn't been able to show voting fraud. He hasn't been able to stop the counties from validating the vote counts. He hasn't been able to stop the states from validating vote counts. He hasn't been able to stop the state's electors from being chosen just as the law in each state details. He hasn't been winning much and he's still going to further humiliate himself and now his Republican colleagues by asking the Congress to step in without any particular evidence of wrongdoing and play dictator over them to get them to stop the proper and right outcome of this election.

And apparently 74 million Americans are pretty fine with that.

God bless,
ted

 

[Yoko.52]

It's already clear Biden won. Every recount and legal challenge has failed to do anything to contest that, and they can keep trying until the cows come home with the same result. It's just a desperate attempt by an insecure sore loser to obfuscate the facts.

Thank you finally someone saying something intelligent

 

[Fantine]

Wouldn't it be fun to see Nancy Pelosi assume the role of president on January 20 while frivolous lawsuits were crawling through the courts. 46 days left till the outgoing president departs, whether lawsuits are pending or not.
I admire the grace in which Al Gore conceded an election in which he won the popular vote and lost one state by 537 votes.
His integrity is why he is still admired and respected for his groundbreaking work on climate, for which he received the Nobel prize.
I agree with AG Barr, state election officials, and the numerous courts who dismissed these suits with harsh criticism for the filers.

 

[ZagZig]

Hi zagzig,

You wrote:


I think that tales been pretty well debunked already. Are you still trying to hold on to it? No one goes to jail because some out of court affidavit turned out not to be truthful, unless, of course, the prosecutor can prove it was an attempt at fraud. If someone believes in their mind that they're doing the right thing, and please understand that most of these affidavits are just of people who say they saw something, when it is found that the 'something' that they saw really didn't amount to much, they just go home. There have already been cases where affiants were unable to show any cause of fraud, and those people aren't in jail. The judge just makes a determination that the witness isn't credible and everybody goes home.

Trust me, please, or don't, no John Doe citizen is going to go to jail because they filled out an affidavit no matter how it eventually turns out in court.

However, if that's what makes your case, then go for it.

God bless,
ted

Again, I will present you with solid, hard core facts about your legal system.....

The witnesses who have filed sworn affidavits are for the soul purpose of being used in a court of law.
A sworn affidavit is the exact same as being a witness in a court... any court..
The witnesses are now speaking at hearings that are not courts. This has no bearing on the affidavits potential for use in a court. These are two separate accounts. When this gets to court, the affidavits will come into play. They are, however already signed and the witness is held accountable for them.

These people who have signed sworn affidavits fall into the full weight of this:

What Is the Penalty for a False Affidavit?


State Laws on Perjury
Each state enacts its own laws punishing perjury, but in all states, it is a felony and carries a possible prison sentence. A convicted perjurer can also be ordered to pay fines or be put on probation. The more the perjury interfered with a court or other official proceeding, the greater the penalty is likely to be

Penalties for Perjury

Perjury is a crime under federal law as well as state law. Penalties differ among the jurisdictions.


When a person is convicted of committing perjury under federal law, that individual can be sentenced to up to five years in prison. Alternatively or concurrently, he may be sentenced to pay fines.

What Is the Penalty for a False Affidavit?

Think of an affidavit as written testimony. In court, you raise your right hand and swear that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In an affidavit, you swear under penalty of perjury that the facts you set out in the document are true to the best of your knowledge. Lying in an affidavit is the same as lying in court testimony, and it constitutes a crime called perjury.

 

[ZagZig]

Hi again zagzig,

Sorry, I should have read this one and I could have responded to them both in the last post. You wrote:


No they aren't!!!!! Get it through, my friend. These are just people swearing to something that they saw or heard, but don't really know whether what they saw or heard was some nefarious plot. You really need to let this go. You're beginning to sound like Sydney Powell and Rudy. Despite being told over and over again, you just keep badgering on about it. Look!!!!! Call an attorney!!!!! Find out if what I'm saying is true or not.

God bless,
ted

You treat your friends very oddly. An affidavit, is an affidavit, is an affidavit. Period. So... maybe after educating yourself...on the laws of your own country.....by reading my post above... you can "get it through".

 

[ZagZig]

Thank you finally someone saying something intelligent

Can I ask you if you want Biden to win by a fraudulent election, or a legitimate election? Do you think that your view, if wrong, should outweigh the view of the majority, if you are wrong? Do you think that the ballets should be thoroughly investigated and all illegal ballets thrown out? Or, do you think that every ballet should be counted no matter what?

 

[Archivist]

Again, I will present you with solid, hard core facts about your legal system.....

The witnesses who have filed sworn affidavits are for the soul purpose of being used in a court of law.
A sworn affidavit is the exact same as being a witness in a court... any court..
The witnesses are now speaking at hearings that are not courts. This has no bearing on the affidavits potential for use in a court. These are two separate accounts. When this gets to court, the affidavits will come into play. They are, however already signed and the witness is held accountable for them.

These people who have signed sworn affidavits fall into the full weight of this:

What Is the Penalty for a False Affidavit?


State Laws on Perjury
Each state enacts its own laws punishing perjury, but in all states, it is a felony and carries a possible prison sentence. A convicted perjurer can also be ordered to pay fines or be put on probation. The more the perjury interfered with a court or other official proceeding, the greater the penalty is likely to be

Penalties for Perjury

Perjury is a crime under federal law as well as state law. Penalties differ among the jurisdictions.


When a person is convicted of committing perjury under federal law, that individual can be sentenced to up to five years in prison. Alternatively or concurrently, he may be sentenced to pay fines.

What Is the Penalty for a False Affidavit?

Think of an affidavit as written testimony. In court, you raise your right hand and swear that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In an affidavit, you swear under penalty of perjury that the facts you set out in the document are true to the best of your knowledge. Lying in an affidavit is the same as lying in court testimony, and it constitutes a crime called perjury.

You have a great deal to learn about the legal system. Prosecutions for perjury are very uncommon.

 

[Archivist]

Can I ask you if you want Biden to win by a fraudulent election, or a legitimate election? Do you think that your view, if wrong, should outweigh the view of the majority, if you are wrong? Do you think that the ballets should be thoroughly investigated and all illegal ballets thrown out? Or, do you think that every ballet should be counted no matter what?

Biden won a legitimate election. Only Trump and his toadies seem to think otherwise.

 

[miamited]

You treat your friends very oddly. An affidavit, is an affidavit, is an affidavit. Period. So... maybe after educating yourself...on the laws of your own country.....by reading my post above... you can "get it through".

Hi zagzig,

Right.

God bless,
ted

 

[miamited]

Can I ask you if you want Biden to win by a fraudulent election, or a legitimate election? Do you think that your view, if wrong, should outweigh the view of the majority, if you are wrong? Do you think that the ballets should be thoroughly investigated and all illegal ballets thrown out? Or, do you think that every ballet should be counted no matter what?

Hi zagzig,

I love the ballet. All the fine toned muscled maneuvers. I really think that walking on one's toes, though, must be hard on your feet.

God bless,
ted

 

[tulc]

Can I ask you if you want Biden to win by a fraudulent election, or a legitimate election? (snip)

...since he won legitimately I'm going with legitimate.
tulc(wishes all questions were this easy)

 

[Lg2000]

Biden won a legitimate election. Only Trump and his toadies seem to think otherwise.

Thats where i stand.
Trump has zero credibility.
When you constantly lie that tends to happen. Simply pathetic.

 

[ZagZig]

You have a great deal to learn about the legal system. Prosecutions for perjury are very uncommon.

Do you think that the Biden government is going to go soft on those trying to end his soft coup against your democracy and your constitution? Seriously?
If successful with their affidavits... Biden could be found guilty of treason. Do you even know how serious this is?

 

[ZagZig]

Hi zagzig,

I love the ballet. All the fine toned muscled maneuvers. I really think that walking on one's toes, though, must be hard on your feet.

God bless,
ted

Ah Ted... time always tells... doesn't it? Sometimes you have to walk on stones to expose the corrupt.

 

[ZagZig]

Biden won a legitimate election. Only Trump and his toadies seem to think otherwise.

Well, you better tell that to the people in the video.. pulling tubs of ballets out from under a table and scanning them under a cloak of secrecy.