Where do you stand on the 2020 election

[Archivist]

It doesn't have to be a master plot, Ted. Just the revelation that there were numerous instances of vote fraud will have the same effect.

If there were “numerous instances of vote fraud,” where is the proof? Why have the various Trump cases nationwide been dismissed for lack of evidence? Why have Trump attorneys told judges that there is no evidence of voter fraud?

 

[A_Thinker]

The desperation of the Biden folks to have President Trump give up the presidency even before the month of November is over, before every state has certified its votes, and before the Electoral College meets, makes sense only if Biden and Co. have some reason to think that the full picture of the vote fraud that occurred will come to light before Inauguration Day. This also explains why Biden was seen on national television "playing president" only days after Election Day.

It's not desperate, ... it's Tradition to let the votes fall where they may.

And there is bipartisan support for transition to begin, given the challenges we are facing currently.

And, you might note: Trump claimed the win Election night ...

 

[A_Thinker]

It doesn't have to be a master plot, Ted. Just the revelation that there were numerous instances of vote fraud will have the same effect.

It has to be significant enough to affect the election outcome.

For instance, a few cases of Republican voter fraud have actually been demonstrated ... but these single cases won't affect the election result.

 

[A_Thinker]

We are Christians and the truth should be what we search for. So, lets see. Do you as a Christian want the truth behind this disputed and important election to be brought to light either way.. winner take all.. if they are the true winner? Will you accept the winner if it is investigated and legally proven that one or the other wins? Or do you just want Trump out and Biden in.. end of story?

Investigations of the votes are ongoing.

By the time Trump is done, he will have proven Biden won many times over ...

 

[Archivist]

It has to be significant enough to affect the election outcome.

For instance, a few cases of Republican voter fraud have actually been demonstrated ... but these single cases won't affect the election result.

We had a case of voter fraud in West Virginia. A Republican mailman was changing Democratic mail-in ballot applications. Eight applications were changed. It was caught in the courthouse. The mailman later plead guilty.

West Virginia mail carrier admits attempted election fraud

 

[miamited]

Hi albion,

Let me reply,

It doesn't have to be a master plot, Ted. Just the revelation that there were numerous instances of vote fraud will have the same effect.

I didn't use the word 'master plot' I said 'nefarious', as defined:
ne·far·i·ous
/nəˈferēəs/
adjective

1. (typically of an action or activity) wicked or criminal.
   "the nefarious activities of the organized-crime syndicates"

I'm guessing you would agree that fraud would be a criminal action?

You needed to check that out before posting. What you said is quite incorrect.

The first "concession telegram" occurred when William Jennings Bryan sent William McKinley two days after the 1896 US presidential election. Prior to that election results took many days and thus candidates maintained an air of detachment from the process. The formal concession speech has played a vital role in even the most divisive U.S. elections, from the Civil War to Bush v. Gore.

Since 1960 only on one occasion did the day after the election pass without a concession speech from the unsuccessful candidate, as our graphic shows.

The day after the infamous presidential election of 2000 actually featured a concession, to be precise, but one that was later taken back by Democratic candidate Al Gore. It wasn’t until 36 days and a recount in Florida later that Gore conceded for a final time, on December 13.

That isn't the point and I didn't write anything like that.

Agreed that you didn't, neither did I clam that you did. I was merely explaining what the possible outcome might be 'if' your claimed outcome might come to pass. That generally is what these threads are about is dialoguing and not merely repeating what others have said. You wrote about the possibility of some charge of fraud being upheld before the inauguration and I responded to you through a dialogue a possible outcome of what you wrote.

Sorry if I was hard to understand or somehow misled you.

God bless,
ted

 

[miamited]

We had a case of voter fraud in West Virginia. A Republican mailman was changing Democratic mail-in ballot applications. Eight applications were changed. It was caught in the courthouse. The mailman later plead guilty.

West Virginia mail carrier admits attempted election fraud

Hi archivist,

Yes, I've often wondered, in the grand scheme of things, and the few times that there has been some election fraud, whether the majority of such fraud was committed by Republicans attempting to change votes of Democrats or the other way around? I wonder if anyone has any stats on that?

God bless,
ted

 

[Archivist]

Hi archivist,

Yes, I've often wondered, in the grand scheme of things, and the few times that there has been some election fraud, whether the majority of such fraud was committed by Republicans attempting to change votes of Democrats or the other way around? I wonder if anyone has any stats on that?

God bless,
ted

That would be interesting to look into. I’ve never heard on anything, but that doesn’t mean that statistics are not out there. I’ll keep my eyes peeled.

 

[ZagZig]

My personal opinion it's that u shouldn't worry about it as Christian , it seems like it's becomming a cult to be one side or another.
And actually if person thinks that persident of USA is actually like king ruling the country they're delusional and I'm sorry for them.

I disagree. I think it is a God given right to vote in a democratic election to be involved in the selection of your leader. I also believe that we are to not sit and do nothing if criminal activity or corruption is in action. All that has to happen for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing.

 

[ZagZig]

It's already clear Biden won. Every recount and legal challenge has failed to do anything to contest that, and they can keep trying until the cows come home with the same result. It's just a desperate attempt by an insecure sore loser to obfuscate the facts.

People can continue to state such things as much as they like. However, If it is not true, stating it over and over doesn't make it true. Just because someone is louder or more forceful or more repetitive.. has no effect on the actual truth, whatever that is.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

However, If it is not true, stating it over and over doesn't make it true. Just because someone is louder or more forceful or more repetitive.. has no effect on the actual truth, whatever that is.

And these last few years have been a hard lesson in that.

 

[ZagZig]

They are both puppets so why does it matter?

Who really runs all of the countries?



Satan runs ALL of the kingdoms of the earth.


Who is the god of this world?





This is why the bible never states waste time to get involved in the political race and a country's puppeteer elections. Instead, it says to worry about eternal things like soul winning.

To some extent I would agree. However, God has used men from all times and beliefs in order to carry out his will. God's will will be done in this no matter what. He still wants us to pray though, for his will to be done.

 

[ZagZig]

Hi zagzig,

I've been happy with the Biden win since the beginning. However, if anyone would put forth any real evidence that there was fraud, I'd want to know. What we have here isn't any fraud. Most of the battles are about whether or not to count a certain set of votes, not whether those votes were somehow fraudulent.

I'm not really interested in that. I believe that we should count all votes that voters made before the end of election day November 3rd, 2020. I believe, that in the case of someone mailing their ballot, that time should be allowed from the postmark date for that ballot to arrive. That would be anywhere from 3-5 days after election day. So long as a legal vote was cast by the close of business on election day, then it's not a matter of fraud, but whether or not we're going to allow for postal mail processing time for that ballot or not. Once a ballot is handed over to the U.S. post office and receives the postmark date stamp, then neither the voter, nor anyone else is able to change the legal voter's choice as to who they choose as their candidate. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Now, the fight seems to be over whether or not a state Supreme Court has the authority to change such procedures. While I still don't find that to be fraud, after all, everything that the SC did would have been out in the open and it's just a choice that a set of judges made, that does need to be determined. Do our laws, or any state's constitution, or the federal Constitution not allow a state SC to make such changes as when a mail-in ballot can be received? That's the question, and that should be addressed so that we don't have this problem in the future.

Obviously, the PA SC did think that they had the authority to make these decisions. Now the question is whether they do or not. That is still to be decided and I'm sure it will be before the next election rolls around. In the meantime, those involved that know how many ballots might be in question here, seen to think that it still isn't enough to make any difference in the outcome. According to politico.com, the PA's top elections official says that only 10,000 or so ballots were received after the 11/3 cutoff. If that's the case, and I don't know I wasn't there, but if it is the case, then I believe the case should be made mute and the legislature take the issue up at a later date.

It is actually possible that trump doesn't want this problem corrected. He may well find out that because of his threats and proclamations as to how slow the mail service was and that all of his minions should vote in person, he may find that those very late ballots were Republicans who decided at the last minute that it was too risky to stand in line. Biden, and most of the Democratic campaign workers, pushed the vote by mail and vote early mantra. So, it's likely that the votes for Biden pretty much all got there on time.

God bless,
ted

You may be right. Time will tell. From what I have seen vote counters that were working on those days, are coming forward and giving eye witness accounts of many different types of fraudulent activity. I am encouraged by those that want the truth to be found. I am discouraged by those that just listen to the main stream media, that has been down on Trump from before he was even elected...and just want them to accept that Biden won... without looking into it.

 

[ZagZig]

Pretty much. People have been arguing on here for weeks and didnt even stop for Thanksgiving. Unfortunately people have put politics over God and it makes me sad to see. Also i havent seen one person change their mind yet so i really dont see the point of arguing

I personally believe that this election is a blatant revealing of the fight between good and evil. If there is the fraud that is being presented, then the democracy of the free world is in danger.

 

[ZagZig]

And these last few years have been a hard lesson in that.

Ya... I forgot.. From the Russian scandal that ended up being false. The sexual accusations, the impeachment that went nowhere and many others. It's been four years of the left yelling and pointing fingers... at nothing.

 

[ZagZig]

If there were “numerous instances of vote fraud,” where is the proof? Why have the various Trump cases nationwide been dismissed for lack of evidence? Why have Trump attorneys told judges that there is no evidence of voter fraud?

I don't know what people are doing or watching to miss these. The internet is full of eyewitness accounts presenting their testimony and filing affidavits to back them up. Experts stating how the numbers are totally unnatural in any election of any kind. The list is quite long. It's all there if you want to look.. or not there if you don't look. People saying that there is no evidence.. aren't looking very hard.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

We are Christians and the truth should be what we search for. So, lets see. Do you as a Christian want the truth behind this disputed and important election to be brought to light either way.. winner take all.. if they are the true winner? Will you accept the winner if it is investigated and legally proven that one or the other wins? Or do you just want Trump out and Biden in.. end of story?

Choosing between the lesser of two evils for generations inevitably cultivates a greater evil. This sums up my view of democracy.

 

[ZagZig]

Investigations of the votes are ongoing.

By the time Trump is done, he will have proven Biden won many times over ...

Again, stating it doesn't make it's true. I could state the opposite... does that make it right? No, only a forensic investigation will be able to determine who really won.

 

[Archivist]

I don't know what people are doing or watching to miss these. The internet is full of eyewitness accounts presenting their testimony and filing affidavits to back them up. Experts stating how the numbers are totally unnatural in any election of any kind. The list is quite long. It's all there if you want to look.. or not there if you don't look. People saying that there is no evidence.. aren't looking very hard.

Then why aren’t these people being called as witnesses in courts of law? Trump’s lawyers have told judges that they have no evidence of election fraud.

 

[ZagZig]

Choosing between the lesser of two evils for generations inevitably cultivates a greater evil. This sums up my view of democracy.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. But, if you don't vote.. who is choosing your leader? Did all those grandfathers and great uncles die for the right to vote... in vain?