Where do Christians stand?

[LOCO]

May you get your faith back and avoid hell

Oh Linux,

You wound Jesus heart when you speak like that.

Only God decides who goes to hell.

Noone on earth has the authority to tell others they are going to hell.

Remember the thief who was an unbeliever until he met Christ on the cross.



Blessings

 

[LOCO]

the problem is, too many people believe they are the word of God.

 

[Jazer]

Only God decides who goes to hell.

I thought that each individual made that choice for themselves.

 

[LOCO]

I thought that each individual made that choice for themselves.

Maybe for your church. I don't know what their interpretation of Sacred Scripture on this subject is.

For Catholics only God decides who will enter Hell or Heaven.

We believe in a Personal Judgment and Last judgment.

Although physical human bodies die, human souls never die. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) teaches that every spiritual soul “is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection” (CCC 366).

At the moment of death the soul separates the body, is judged immediately (Personal Judgment) and enters either heaven (immediately or through purgatory) or hell. “Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven—through a purification or immediately,—or immediate and everlasting damnation” (CCC 1022). (For scriptural evidence of this see Lk 16:22 & 23:43; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23.) At the Last Judgment all will be revealed even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during his earthly life…

A person could live the life of the worst sinner and convert on their deathbed with a genuine repentant heart and still be received into Heaven as the thief on the cross illustrates. Let me stress the conversion in their heart must be truly repentant, you cannot fool God.

Making judgment calls on whether someone will go to Hell based solely on their views and/or behaviour today is callous and unwise.

We don't know their personal situation or where the Holy Spirit will lead them or their heart in the future, believer or not.

Yeshua never turns anyone away from his love and we shouldn't either.


Blessings

 

[ToBeInChrist]

You are interpreting the Bible in a vacuum. You have to consider the authors intentions. The Jewish authors of Genesis have never interpreted the creation story literally. Rabbis today never interpret the Genesis story literally.

They also don't tend to take prophecies about the Messiah seriously, and they don't believe Jesus is the literal Messiah.

Christian interpretation of the Bible should not be held hostage by Talmudists or other skeptics atheists and unbelievers.

 

[LOCO]

They also don't tend to take prophecies about the Messiah seriously, and they don't believe Jesus is the literal Messiah.

Christian interpretation of the Bible should not be held hostage by Talmudists or other skeptics atheists and unbelievers.

Interpretation of Sacred Scripture should also not be held hostage to literalism.

There is no absolute consensus on the interpretation of the Creation story. What is a day to God?

Some Christian scholars believe it literally, some believe it could translate to millions of years.

So we can't say that because someone does not believe the literal interpretation, that they are not Christian. Just as we cannot say that someone who does believe the literal interpretation is not a Christian.

Believing in either does not determine whether we go to heaven or hell.

Blessings

 

[ToBeInChrist]

Interpretation of Sacred Scripture should also not be held hostage to literalism.

There is no absolute consensus on the interpretation of the Creation story. What is a day to God?

It makes sense to me to simply say it is a mystery. I defer to what is in Genesis, by faith.

But when it comes to science, one could argue that the entire subject of what happened so long ago as creation of the universe or of human life, is not entirely scientific, or non-scientific, that is, one may use philosophy and/or pseudo-science along with science, but one really isn't talking about hard solid science.

So whether one says they believe in evolution or YEC, the science involved would be speculative and non-conclusive. Depends on your presuppositions.

 

[tyronem]

That's what I used to think, too.

Everyone in Hell believes there is a Hell and that Jesus died as a propitiation so that we might be blessedly justified.

 

[tyronem]

How not surprising that you would start to wave the Big Creationist Stick. "Believe what I say or its the Lake Of Fire for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111"

I find it amusing, you give someone the truth and they screech into the wind about how it's so not right for you to give it to them.

If you were standing in the path of an oncoming train would you rather you were told or would you rather we sort of went, oh, excuse me, umm SPLAT

 

[tyronem]

I don't need faith. There is no hell.

Thanks for caring though.

Oh there is a very very real Hell

Here are 3 eye witness testimonies, there are hundreds if you search for them.

I happen to know the last man Ian McCormack personally. He was a member of our church for a number of years before moving to England to start up his ministry.

ATHEIST DIED, WENT TO HELL, CAME BACK [Part 1/2] - YouTube
Tyrone Went to Hell-THUGEXPOSED.COM - YouTube
Ian McCormack - Heaven Hell and the Box Jellyfish

 

[tyronem]

Actually, that's not a facepalm.

I believe that is Commodore Decker being pwned by the doomsday device in the episode The Corbomite Manuever.

lol, nice one

 

[tyronem]

Oh Linux,

You wound Jesus heart when you speak like that.
Only God decides who goes to hell.
Noone on earth has the authority to tell others they are going to hell.
Remember the thief who was an unbeliever until he met Christ on the cross.
Blessings

There is no issue in telling someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior that they are going to end up in Hell.

There was a preacher once who had a friend who could make money with whatever business he started, he had the midas touch, twice in that mans life he came near to death, and both times the preacher told that man don't you think you ought to get yourself straightened out with God and repent, the man said he wasn't ready yet. The third time, he died, unsaved and went to Hell, for the week following he visited his wife in a dream saying "Do whatever it takes but don't come where I have Gone, don't come where I have Gone". It nearly drove the poor woman mad knowing now for sure where her husband had gone.

He was forewarned, and through that forewarning he now knew what he should have done and did not.

Jesus calls all to repent of their sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ or they will perish in Hell for all eternity.

 

[Not a fan]

I say they are all theories until proven to be a fact. At the end of the day we will never know until we meet our Maker.

 

[Incariol]

I say they are all theories until proven to be a fact. At the end of the day we will never know until we meet our Maker.

That is a false dichotomy. Things that are "theories" in science are still generally considered facts. Gravity and germs as the cause of illness, for example.

 

[Not a fan]

That is a false dichotomy. Things that are "theories" in science are still generally considered facts. Gravity and germs as the cause of illness, for example.

My mistake. What I mean is we will never know until we meet our Maker. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Incariol]

My mistake. What I mean is we will never know until we meet our Maker. Thanks for the correction.

Certainly true.

 

[MoonLancer]

I thought that each individual made that choice for themselves.

People started thinking that when they realized that letting God make that decision along with claiming that he is the creator of the universe has some moral issues that went along with it.

Its really just smarmy apologetic to relieve him of that moral burden.

 

[Non sequitur]

That is a false dichotomy. Things that are "theories" in science are still generally considered facts. Gravity and germs as the cause of illness, for example.

I wouldn't try to technically put, "they are all theories until proven a fact" in the false dichotomy box.

Gravity is demonstrable, but hell is not.

 

[LOCO]

There is no issue in telling someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior that they are going to end up in Hell.

There was a preacher once who had a friend who could make money with whatever business he started, he had the midas touch, twice in that mans life he came near to death, and both times the preacher told that man don't you think you ought to get yourself straightened out with God and repent, the man said he wasn't ready yet. The third time, he died, unsaved and went to Hell, for the week following he visited his wife in a dream saying "Do whatever it takes but don't come where I have Gone, don't come where I have Gone". It nearly drove the poor woman mad knowing now for sure where her husband had gone.

He was forewarned, and through that forewarning he now knew what he should have done and did not.

Jesus calls all to repent of their sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ or they will perish in Hell for all eternity.

If outright condemnation is your thing, go for it. I'd rather hold my tongue and pray for them.

It's foolish and immature to tell someone who does not believe Hell exists that they will go there.

How will that statement make them believers when they don't believe Hell exists and how does outright condemnation help them to want to know more about Christ?

If I was a non-believer, the spiteful manner in which it was delivered in would not make me want to become a Christian, I'd find it quite humorous, either harden my heart, turn and bolt away or it would confirm my suspicions that these are not followers of Christ. They do not act like him. They are throwing stones.

I believe we should always correct from a place of love. Love never fails. How about we focus on that despite our differences.


Blessings

 

[AV1611VET]

If I was a non-believer, the spiteful manner in which it was delivered in would not make me want to become a Christian...

Should calling God a liar and a murderer (two things He called the Devil), make one want to become an atheist or a scientist (or both)?