Where Did Humans Come From?

[BNR32FAN]

Evening is when the sun disappears. That's in Hebrew as well as in English. Thought you knew.

I was mistaken it is morning that includes the translation from night to day. I thought it was evening that included the transition from day to night.

1. morning, break of day
a. morning
1. of end of night
2. of coming of daylight
3. of coming of sunrise
4. of beginning of day
5. of bright joy after night of distress (figuratively)
b. morrow, next day, next morning

Arguing over semantics is pointless since we both know what both of these words mean. You’ve been proven wrong, everyone else sees that, so it’s irrelevant if you persist in accepting it, although your only discrediting yourself my friend.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why not just accept it as it reads ... instead of cramming evolution into it?

Ex 20:11 makes it 7 literal days and so does Gen 1-2:3

What?!! Creating an entire universe and a planet capable of supporting life in 6 literal days?!! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!! No one could possibly do such a thing. That would have to be some sort of MIRACLE!!

 

[BNR32FAN]

1. God "reacts" to Adam and Eve's sin - and shuts them out of the Garden.
God "Reacts" to the sin of the world and sends a flood.
God "reacts" to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah and destroys them
God "reacts" to the situation of man after the flood and allows meat eating

2. Rates of harmful genetic mutation are measurable from generation to generation as we see today after the flood.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUTATION#:~:text=Harmful mutationsEdit. This is the case in hereditary,is given in the article DNA repair-deficiency disorder.

Yes but I was looking for examples of genetic defects in the scriptures between the flood and Mt Sinai. I think it’s possible that the genetic defects might not’ve began until after God commanded not to practice incest. Noah’s descendants, everyone on earth, would’ve had to be the result of incest between cousins.

 

[The Barbarian]

Arguing over semantics is pointless since we both know what both of these words mean.

Yep. Which is why you abandoned any attempt at reason and simply declared victory. I get that you don't want to believe what it is, but reality doesn't care what we think.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Do you think Jesus had the authority to delegate His authority to Peter, as He did in in this verse?

With that authority did that include the authority to arrest, imprison, torture, and even execute nonbelievers who refused to convert? Let’s not forget that He also said “you can identify a tree by its fruit”. Let’s also not forget that Rome was not the first church Peter established nor was it the only church Peter established and left successors at. Peter also established the church in Antioch and also left successors there and this church never took part in any of the inquisitions unlike the 99 Roman popes that sanctioned the inquisitions which lasted for 686 years. Not to mention that it was the Roman church that was unanimously excommunicated from the apostolic Catholic Church in 1054AD.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes but I was looking for examples of genetic defects in the scriptures between the flood and Mt Sinai. I think it’s possible that the genetic defects might not’ve began until after God commanded not to practice incest. Noah’s descendants, everyone on earth, would’ve had to be the result of incest between cousins.

There are a good number of animals that commonly inbreed. They don't have a lot of genetic problems, because they don't have many harmful recessive genes. Such genes are rapidly removed from the population by inbreeding.

"Genetic defects" (harmful recessives) occur constantly in all living things. So that was going on in every human since Adam. We all have about a hundred mutations that were present in neither of our parents. Most don't do much of anything, but a few are more or less harmful. And a very few of such mutations are useful.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you think Jesus had the authority to delegate His authority to Peter, as He did in in this verse?

No, Jesus is the rock .... Jesus has all authority ... not Peter.


Psalm 18:2
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

1 Corinthians

And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

1 Samuel 2:2

“There is none holy like the Lord; there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.

Deuteronomy

“The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.

Isaiah 26:4

Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord God is an everlasting rock.

Psalm 62:2

He only is my rock and my salvation, my fortress; I shall not be greatly shaken.

Psalm 89:26

He shall cry to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’


Matthew 7:24-25

“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.

Isaiah 17:10

For you have forgotten the God of your salvation and have not remembered the Rock of your refuge; therefore, though you plant pleasant plants and sow the vine-branch of a stranger,

2 Samuel 22:32

“For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?

Psalm 19:14

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer.

Isaiah

Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.”

Luke 8:13

And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.

Psalm 94:22

But the Lord has become my stronghold, and my God the rock of my refuge.

Habakkuk 1:12

Are you not from everlasting, O Lord my God, my Holy One? We shall not die. O Lord, you have ordained them as a judgment, and you, O Rock, have established them for reproof.

Isaiah 51:1

“Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness, you who seek the Lord: look to the rock from which you were hewn, and to the quarry from which you were dug.

Jesus is the Head of the Church. The church is portrayed as a flock of sheep with Jesus as the chief shepherd. Jesus Himself said that there is only one shepherd; Him. We read Jesus saying the following:

And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. (John 10:16 ESV)

Ephesians For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

The Great Commission
(Mark 16:14–18)

16Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Philippine 2

9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place
and gave Him the name above all names,10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus is exalted to the highest place ... not Peter

It’s no coincidence that Jesus Himself names Peter “Petros” which means rock. The thing to realize is that Peter didn’t only establish the church in Rome he also established the church in Antioch which sided against Rome in 1054AD when Rome was excommunicated from the Catholic Church along with every other apostolic church that also sided against Rome in the excommunication.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are a good number of animals that commonly inbreed. They don't have a lot of genetic problems, because they don't have many harmful recessive genes. Such genes are rapidly removed from the population by inbreeding.

"Genetic defects" (harmful recessives) occur constantly in all living things. So that was going on in every human since Adam. We all have about a hundred mutations that were present in neither of our parents. Most don't do much of anything, but a few are more or less harmful. And a very few of such mutations are useful.

I was referring to humans and examples before My Sanai. I believe it is possible that genetic defects could’ve been the result of a curse that God had placed on those who practiced incest after He had commanded man not to practice it. That’s my hypothesis.

 

[The Barbarian]

With that authority did that include the authority to arrest, imprison, torture, and even execute nonbelievers who refused to convert?

Unfortunately, Christians have always had among us the Luthers, Torquemadas, Calvins, etc. These people felt authorized by God to do those things to the people who didn't agree with them. Luther initially was favorable to Jews, but when they declined to follow his new faith, he hated them with a passion. His article On the Jews and Their Lies contains about 90% of Hitler's "Final Solution."

Not saying that these people didn't believe in God; they may have even loved God. But they failed miserably to love their fellow man.

 

[The Barbarian]

No, Jesus is the rock .... Jesus has all authority ... not Peter.

Hmm... Let's see what Jesus says...

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Jesus doesn't agree with you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yep. Which is why you abandoned any attempt at reason and simply declared victory. I get that you don't want to believe what it is, but reality doesn't care what we think.

When it comes to people, especially scientists, making guesses and assumptions about the creation of the world vs the biblical creation account in Genesis I’m going to side with what the word of God says over what scientists predict.

 

[The Barbarian]

When it comes to people, especially scientists, making guesses and assumptions about the creation of the world vs the biblical creation account in Genesis I’m going to side with what the word of God says over what scientists predict.

You side with your new revision of God's word. As noted before, nothing in Genesis denies what science has found.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Unfortunately, Christians have always had among us the Luthers, Torquemadas, Calvins, etc. These people felt authorized by God to do those things to the people who didn't agree with them. Luther initially was favorable to Jews, but when they declined to follow his new faith, he hated them with a passion. His article On the Jews and Their Lies contains about 90% of Hitler's "Final Solution."

Not saying that these people didn't believe in God; they may have even loved God. But they failed miserably to love their fellow man.

Im aware that some of the reformers were guilty of killing Roman Catholics. The circumstances are somewhat unclear as to why they did this and I won’t speculate on it because there’s insufficient evidence to make any sort of educated conclusion but while they may have had harsh feelings against Jews who did not convert or remain converted I’m not aware of any physical harm that was done to them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You side with your new revision of God's word. As noted before, nothing in Genesis denies what science has found.

My “new revision” of God’s word is the most accurate English translation I’ve found. What version do you use and would you be so kind as to display the translation of Genesis 1:5, Genesis 1:8, and Genesis 1:13 from your preferred translation?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hmm... Let's see what Jesus says...

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Jesus doesn't agree with you.

I apologize that is not my post. Something happened when I hit the reply button. I certainly do not deny that Jesus did in fact give authority to Peter. I’ll try to fix the post.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hmm... Let's see what Jesus says...

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Jesus doesn't agree with you.

I fixed it. Apparently Elose didn’t quote you properly. The word quote was in his reply so it messed up my post when I quoted him.

 

[The Barbarian]

I fixed it. Apparently Elose didn’t quote you properly. The word quote was in his reply so it messed up my post when I quoted him.

Ah, I see now. Sorry for the error.

 

[The Barbarian]

Im aware that some of the reformers were guilty of killing Roman Catholics.

I don't see how "arrest, imprison, torture, and even execute nonbelievers who refused to convert" is something reformers do. And they killed each other was well as Catholics. Calvin killed Servetus for daring to criticize some of his doctrines.

Michael Servetus, a Spaniard, physician, scientist and Bible scholar, suffered a worse fate. He was Calvin's longtime acquaintance who resisted the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. However, he angered Calvin by returning a copy of Calvin's Institutes with critical comments in the margins.
John Calvin justified killing his theological opponents with the Bible

Servetus was burned alive using green wood so his suffering would be prolonged. And then Calvin's anger was relieved.

Calvin is just one of many vicious people on all sides of the reformation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Unfortunately, Christians have always had among us the Luthers, Torquemadas, Calvins, etc. These people felt authorized by God to do those things to the people who didn't agree with them. Luther initially was favorable to Jews, but when they declined to follow his new faith, he hated them with a passion. His article On the Jews and Their Lies contains about 90% of Hitler's "Final Solution."

Not saying that these people didn't believe in God; they may have even loved God. But they failed miserably to love their fellow man.

Yes but this brings us to the question where was their guidance coming from? In 1054AD we have pope Leo IX claiming papal supremacy and trying to exercise supreme executive authority over all the churches and the rest of the apostolic churches rejecting his claim. Then 130 years later in 1184AD we have pope Lucius III first sanctioning the inquisitions in France. Then we have 98 more popes after him who have the authority to put a stop to it but decided not to until 1870AD. Then there was the abuse of indulgences also beginning in the 12th century by the same pope who sanctioned the inquisitions wherein forgiveness of sin was solicited in exchange for money. Both the inquisitions and the abuse of indulgences is what directly led to the reformation in the first place. So saying that some people in the church can be bad at times doesn’t exactly excuse the actions of the church for almost 700 years in which 99 of the supreme rulers of the church voluntarily sanctioned. Now I’m not saying that the church today is as corrupted as it was back then, it’s certainly gotten better but it still holds to doctrines created by these men namely the doctrine of purgatory that allowed the solicitation of forgiveness for the dead in exchange for money. Now I’m aware that this practice is not widespread today as it once was but it is still practiced in the Philippines.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't see how "arrest, imprison, torture, and even execute nonbelievers who refused to convert" is something reformers do. And they killed each other was well as Catholics. Calvin killed Servetus for daring to criticize some of his doctrines.

Michael Servetus, a Spaniard, physician, scientist and Bible scholar, suffered a worse fate. He was Calvin's longtime acquaintance who resisted the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. However, he angered Calvin by returning a copy of Calvin's Institutes with critical comments in the margins.
John Calvin justified killing his theological opponents with the Bible

Servetus was burned alive using green wood so his suffering would be prolonged. And then Calvin's anger was relieved.

Calvin is just one of many vicious people on all sides of the reformation.

I didn’t say that reformers did these things it was the Roman Catholic Church that did this during the inquisitions. And you’ll never hear me say anything good about Calvin, I find his doctrines to be one of the farthest from the truth in modern day theology. The man obviously didn’t understand scripture.