Where are we now in the book of Revelation?

[iamlamad]

Lamad, it's the way you're trying to understand John's writing. To put it bluntly, you're not understanding what he is saying, the way he wrote Revelation and how it's structured.

Chapter 4 is about The Throne Room.

Chapter 5 is about Jesus.

Chapter 6 is about the Seals.

I know you know all this already but how important would Jesus and the Seals be if John bundled Jesus and the Seals in the same chapter where he's describing the throne room of Heaven? He breaks them in down into chapters to stress their importance. Chapter 5 is about Him, chapter 6 are signs for the church through Him. Chapter 4 is just an introduction of Heaven.

I guess you could not answer the three questions either, so you just come up with something else to sidestep the questions. Chapters 4 & 5 go together as ONE VISION or one part of the vision: the throne room vision. I can see right now you don't understand this part of John's visions. These two chapters were to set the CONTEXT of the seals. Because your understanding is not my understanding, you say I don't understand. Perhaps it is YOU who don't understand. Did the Holy Spirit spend two months with you, taking you through these chapters; asking questions and helping you find the right answers?

Jesus is also in Heaven. He's in the midst of the throne. [Rev 5:6]. He doesn't always sit. Father God is usually the one sitting on His throne. He's with the Father at His right hand, but it doesn't mean He's always there sitting. I think you're taking everything in a literal sense. Just google images of the throne room and you'll see many photos of God sitting in the throne room while Jesus is standing.

From eternities past, to eternities future, Jesus has ALWAYS been at the right hand of the Father....that is all but for a TINY amount of time....about 32 or 33 years while He was on the earth. During that time, the SECOND person of the Godhead, the Redeemer from Isaiah, the WORD from Genesis 1 (God said...) laid aside His Godly attributes and became the Son of Man. He was not in heaven during those 33 years. That is why when John looked into the throne room, HE WAS NOT AT the Father's right hand. By the way, it is not whether He was sitting or standing, my point was HE WAS NOT THERE!

God Himself, the creator of the universe, SPOKE and asked me this question: "WHY did John not see me at the right hand of the Father, when there are many verses saying that is where I went to be?"

It is a very legitimate question, because John DID NOT SEE HIM in the throne room until much later, in chapter 5.

Just because John didn't mention Jesus in chapter 4, it doesn't mean He's not there. A part of it is how the vision was given to John. It's also his writing and how it's structured based on those visions that you want to understand. He does that with the seals too. The seals are in chapter 6, but it doesn't mean the seals aren't in Heaven either. Does that make sense?

It tells me you don't understand this vision. Jesus was NOT THERE. WHY was He not there? Because at that moment in time given in the vision (this vision had timing involved) Jesus was STILL on the earth or under the earth, and had not yet ascended back into heaven. If Jesus had been there, you can be SURE John would have mentioned it.....but He was NOT there; He was still on earth. You see, this part of John's vision is about TIMING. The very first thing God spoke to me about these two chapters, and about John weeping much, is this: "It shows timing." I could not see timing at all back then. After a week or So, God spoke again and said, "It also shows the movement of time." I could not at first see that either. Both of these statements is true; this vision of the throne room shows us both timing and the movement of time. These two chapters are to set the CONTEXT of the seals.

Now ask yourself. What is Revelation all about? Is it not about The Revelation of Jesus Christ? This whole book is about Him, and His message for everyone to prepare and be ready for His return.

No offence, but you're not getting this either. John is emphasizing Jesus and His qualification, the only one allowed to reveal the seals to "HIS" bride.

So because you don't understand, you think I am not getting it? Perhaps it is YOU who have not gotten it. Remember the three questions? Why not try to answer them? OF COURSE this book is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. But along the way, God gave John MUCH information about the end times.

Look at it this way. Remember that Walt Disney movie "The Sword in the Stone" about young King Arthur? The movie showed all the knights of the round table not able to remove the sword from the stone, but Arthur did.

Now what if they never showed the scene of the knights unable to remove the sword. What if they only showed Arthur removing the sword? Everyone that saw the movie would not realized it was an impossible task and it could of been removed by anyone.

This make sense? That's what John was doing describing no one on earth, below earth or in Heaven worthy to open the seals to give signs and guidance. Jesus is the only one worthy and capable to lead and shepherd the church. We are His bride.

John showed us that a search was made for one worthy to break the seals, but that search ENDED IN FAILURE. That is the very reason John wept much. Can you explain WHY that search that John watched ended in failure to find one worthy to break the seals? I guess you cannot. So you sidestep the question.

And you and I both know the signs of the seals are for the church before the tribulation.

Here we are agreed. The seals are certainly NOT a part of the 70th week. However, the 7th seal marks the very start of the week. I am not sure I would call the seals signs.

Lamad, those 7 spirits are the Spirits of God. This is not the same the Holy Spirit Jesus spoke about when He said He'll send us a little helper to all those born again. Those 7 Spirits serve Him, not us.

How amazing. The Seven spirits seen in the throne room in chapter 4 is the VERY SAME Holy Spirit send down to earth the moment Jesus ascended...which is EXACTLY what Jesus said He would do - send the Holy Spirit DOWN as soon as He went UP. OF COURSE it is the same Holy Spirit that indwells us and comes upon us as the anointing.

Overall, I can see it's just a case of misunderstanding the chapters from John's perspective. And I know this because you mentioned numerous times Revelation is in perfect chronological order.

I will agree, but the misunderstanding is on your part, not mine. OF COURSE Revelation is in perfect Chronological order. If you disagree, then show us some places where you think it is not, and we can talk about them.

Thanks for the post. I believe your heart is in the right place. However, where you think I don't understand, I think you don't understand. Perhaps in the future we will get closer to agreeing.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

So in your mind there is no way that this could be about Israel being born again spiritually?

And yes, I understand that 2/3 shall be cut off and the rest taken through the fire.

Yes, you are right; I cannot see these verses being about Israel being born again. Not even if you mean coming to a belief that He is their messiah (because I don't think anyone will be "born again" after the rapture).

LAMAD

 

[Old Timer]

Yes, you are right; I cannot see these verses being about Israel being born again. Not even if you mean coming to a belief that He is their messiah (because I don't think anyone will be "born again" after the rapture).

LAMAD

I find that amazing knowing that Paul tells us that the Day of The Lord shall come as travail upon a woman with child..

Surely you don't believe that the Day of Lord has come already.

 

[Old Timer]

SO then I guess the next logical question for you LAMAD would be to ask what you do believe concerning the Day of the LORD coming as travail upon a woman with child..

What do you think Paul means here?

How about Isaiah asking the question of who ever heard such a thing as a woman being delivered of a man child BEFORE she travailed?

Your thoughts on that also.

 

[iamlamad]

I find that amazing knowing that Paul tells us that the Day of The Lord shall come as travail upon a woman with child..

Surely you don't believe that the Day of Lord has come already.

I don't think there is any connection with this and Rev. 12.
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

There can be no doubt Paul ties these verses together with the preposition "for." There is then, no doubt that the day of the Lord comes, both as a thief and as travail upon a woman with child. Paul tells us that the Day then begins with the "Sudden Destruction." However, all this is directly related to the rapture of the church, for that is Paul's theme here.

Remember Matthew 27, where he wrote, "the earth did quake....and the graves were opened?" I believe this is when the elders of the Old covenant were raised. They were raised when Jesus was raised. But when they were raised, their very raising caused a mighty earthquake. Some of them had been dead since Adam! The atoms of Adam's body may have scattered hundreds of miles, with the flood and all. However, in one tiny instant, God brought those atom (or perhaps quarks) together to form Adam's body, and Abraham's body, and others.

Can you imagine then what will happen when the dead in Christ rise? They are literally around the world. When they rise, it will cause a worldwide earthquake, like nothing this world has ever seen. WE see this earthquake at the 6th seal. Paul's "sudden destruction" will be this worldwide earthquake.

So what Paul is telling us, there is coming a SUDDEN event, like a thief in the night. It will be Paul's rapture. At this sudden event, two groups of people get two different results: those living in the Light, will get "salvation" [rapture] and will get to "live together with Him." [rapture]. On the other hand, those living in darkness face the sudden destruction caused by the dead in Christ rising. According to Paul this is the START of the Day of the Lord. What did John write at the 6th seal? "The Day of His wrath has come." Paul and John are in complete agreement. The next event in the Day of the Lord will be the first trumpet judgment, which could be nuclear war.

In 2 thes. 2 Paul does not change his mind, but shows us that the church must be "taken out of the way" before the man of sin can be revealed. Paul's argument there is that once the man of sin is revealed (at the abomination) then all will know the Day of the Lord has started and they are IN the day.

Of course the Day of the Lord has not started yet.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

SO then I guess the next logical question for you LAMAD would be to ask what you do believe concerning the Day of the LORD coming as travail upon a woman with child..

What do you think Paul means here?

How about Isaiah asking the question of who ever heard such a thing as a woman being delivered of a man child BEFORE she travailed?

Your thoughts on that also.

AS means like; it will be PAINFUL, like birth pains. Certainly many thousands will die at the sudden destruction; perhaps millions. Next, it will come SUDDENLY. Is that not the way birth pains come? One minute no pain, then suddenly they begin. Of course with a woman, there is a sign; her belly will be big. With the pretrib rapture there will be no sign. Therefore I think Pauls "as" is limited to the pain involved in childbirth. Once the Day of the Lord begins, it will be very difficult, and it starts out with this sudden destruction earthquake felt around the world. Bridges will fall; buildings will fall. It will be worse than what happened in California and it will be around the world. It will be especially bad where there have been Christians living for hundreds of years, like Europe.

What would be "birthed" with these birth pains? With a woman, and child will be birthed. With the Day of the Lord, the millennial reign? I am guessing.

" a woman being delivered of a man child BEFORE she travailed?"

Did Israel have any signs that their Messiah would come when He did? God had been silent for hundreds of years! It was exactly like Israel gave birth in a day, and with no birth pains: just one day their Messiah was there, born in a manger. I think this fits Isaiah.

LAMAD

 

[Old Timer]

AS means like; it will be PAINFUL, like birth pains. Certainly many thousands will die at the sudden destruction; perhaps millions. Next, it will come SUDDENLY. Is that not the way birth pains come? One minute no pain, they suddenly they begin. Of course with a woman, there is a sign; her belly will be big. With the pretrib rapture there will be no sign. Therefore I think Pauls "as" is limited to the pain involved in childbirth. Once the Day of the Lord begins, it will be very difficult, and it starts out with this sudden destruction earthquake felt around the world. Bridges will fall; buildings will fall. It will be worse than what happened in California and it will be around the world. It will be especially bad where there have been Christians living for hundreds of years, like Europe.

What would be "birthed" with these birth pains? With a woman, and child will be birthed. With the Day of the Lord, the millennial reign? I am guessing.

" a woman being delivered of a man child BEFORE she travailed?"

Did Israel have any signs that their Messiah would come when He did? God had been silent for hundreds of years! It was exactly like Israel gave birth in a day, and with no birth pains: just one day their Messiah was there, born in a manger. I think this fits Isaiah.

LAMAD

Great post LAMAD and I can only appreciate the content here.. although at this point I am still strongly convicted that this pertains to Israel being born again in that Day..

 

[Old Timer]

I was also pondering the view which LAMAD has concerning Mary being with child and then protected from the attempts to kill him while they fled to Egypt.. in the first century etc..

It's practically note for note as to what I believe shall happen spiritually to Israel in the time of the end and according to Revelation 12.. if Mary can be considered a spiritual type of Israel that is..

 

[SG9]

We can easily read in Rev. 1 that John was alive. He wrote, "I John, in the tribulation."

Just as easily we can read in chapter 21 of a time at the very least a thousand years into the future from today. (I am ignoring those that can't see the 1000 year reign of Christ in our future. John clearly tells us "after the 1000 years.")

So with the first page nearly 2000 years ago, and the last page far into our future, it makes sense that somewhere in between is where we are now.

So my question, "WHERE ARE WE NOW?"

Can you pin in down between two chapters? Or even between two verses?

LAMAD

"Where are we now in the book of Revelation?"

It's nearing the point of pinning the tail on the donkey. Thanks

 

[10s3r]

Here's a major contradiction pre-tribbers don't care about. The day of the Lord comes AFTER the sun darkens and the moon to blood.

Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Mathew 24 clearly debunks pre-trib because in that passage it clearly states the rapture happens AFTER the tribulation. So pre-tribbers had to create two raptures, one for Christians the other for Jews. Change the meaning of the word 'elect,' change the timing of the Day of the Lord, change the timing and meaning of the marriage supper of the Lamb, they've changed the timing and meaning of God's wrath, etc., etc.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

The Day of the Lord is when He returns for battle and divine judgments.

Revelation 12 proves the tribulation is the time of Satan' wrath. God's wrath begins after the seventh trump and removal of Christians so that the lord can do battle without killing His own. Another thing pre-tribbers misinterprepet is the meaning of "in the twinkling of an eye."

It doesn't mean "all at once." It means "in a split second." Do I need to explain?

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

One man said,

The Day Of The Lord, which is AFTER the Sign In The Heavens, is a period associated with God’s wrath. During this time God will deal with sinners as Isa. 13:9 says, “See, the day of the Lord is coming – a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger – to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it”. However, believers will escape this wrath by being gathered (raptured) into the Lord’s presence (Matt. 24:30-31). 1 Thess 1:10 tells believers “to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead – Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath” and 1 Thess. 4:17 says that Christians “who are still alive and are left will be caught up … in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air”. So, it is clear that believers will be taken from the earth before the Day Of The Lord and escape God’s wrath.
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Why The Great Tribulation Is Wrath Of Satan And Not Armageddon By Raymond C Faircloth

Based on Daniel's 70th week...(which I don't accept.)

The word 'elect'...

picked out, chosen
chosen by God,
to obtain salvation through Christ
Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians

 

[iamlamad]

Great post LAMAD and I can only appreciate the content here.. although at this point I am still strongly convicted that this pertains to Israel being born again in that Day..

Do you really think they believe in Jesus as their Messiah at the moment of the abomination? I don't think they will believe until they SEE Him and then they mourn for Him. It is not until they see the wounds ISRAEL gave Him.

LAMAD

 

[Old Timer]

Do you really think they believe in Jesus as their Messiah at the moment of the abomination? I don't think they will believe until they SEE Him and then they mourn for Him. It is not until they see the wounds ISRAEL gave Him.

LAMAD

I can't even begin to imagine really.. Seeing through the glass dimly is amazing enough and I'm sure that The Lord Jesus Christ shall be exalted in all things.. As His goodness leads them to repentance in that Day.

 

[iamlamad]

This is incorrect. It's not history. It's not about the birth of Jesus, it's about the 2nd Coming of Jesus. It's not biblical and a false doctrine to twist the meaning of the bible to fit what you believe. Look at the verse from several translations. It's all future tense and nothing historic about it.


Revelation 12:5
New International Version (NIV)
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

Revelation 12:5
American Standard Version (ASV)
And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.

Revelation 12:5
New Century Version (NCV)
Then the woman gave birth to a son who will rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was taken up to God and to his throne.

Revelation 12:5
English Standard Version (ESV)
She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

Revelation 12:5
Amplified Bible (AMP)
And she brought forth a male Child, One Who is destined to shepherd (rule) all the nations with an iron staff (scepter), and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne.

Here's 2 Greek confirmation of Rev 12 is indeed a future event:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev12.pdf

Greek and Hebrew Reader's Edition | BibleWebApp.com
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All I can say is, you can be wrong if you choose to be.
It IS about history and the birth of Christ. So is the vision of the throne room in chapters 4 & 5 history.

"The Woman, Child and the Dragon"

The Woman is "not" Mary, therefore it's not about the past. Mary is always referred as the Virgin, never the Woman. So this is not about the birth of Jesus, it's about the 2nd Coming of Jesus. The Woman is Israel, but to be precise, it's the 144,000 FirstFruits - which is still in the future.

Sorry, wrong again! There are no words here about the 2nd (or 3rd) coming. OF COURSE this is not about Mary, although she gave birth to the Messiah; Mary was from ISRAEL. The woman is ISRAEL.

The Child is Jesus' 2nd Coming, not the 1st coming. Jesus "never" came to earth with a rod of iron and never ruled all the kingdoms of the earth 2000 years ago. That's still in the future in His 2nd Coming. (This is so easy to see, how can people misinterpret something so obvious and think it's history?).

You are partially right, but He was born then and DESTINED to rule the world with a rod of Iron. Psalms told us that LONG before Jesus arrived.
Taking ONLY these 5 verses, one would really have to stretch to make this about His coming on the white horse.

The Dragon is the antichrist. Nowhere in history did satan or a dragon ever attacked Mary. Another debunk to the myth of Rev 12 being history. In chapter 12, satan the dragon gets kicked out of Heaven and cast upon the earth (3rd Woe). Satan can't touch us without becoming flesh, he becomes satan the antichrist upon earth. He gives his power and authority to the person who will become the antichrist.

How could anyone who THINKS they know, be so far off?
The Antichrist is a MAN and a KINGDOM. Always remember - never forget: Satan is NOT the Antichrist nor is Antichrist Satan, the Dragon. However, the Dragon, Satan, will without much doubt possess the man of sin turned Antichrist. The Dragon, Satan Himself, worked THROUGH King Herod to attempt to kill Jesus as a child. That is what these first five verses portray.

Last time satan became flesh was in the Garden of Eden as a snake. The reason is because of Ephesian 6:12. Satan is in the Supernatural realm, not in our realm.

Satan did not become flesh; he only spoke THROUGH some kind of serpent; perhaps a snake.

Ephesians 6:12 (NKJV)
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places

"All of Revelation 12 is described in a metaphor type explanation" That's the truth and there's absolutely no history about it once you understand it.

The words of Socrates: the ills of the whole world are caused by those who THINK they know, when in fact, they don't. Sorry, you are trying, but you are a mile off from the truth.

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Revelation 12:1-2 (NKJV)
The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon

1) Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2) Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

The 12 Stars are the 12 Tribes of the 144,000.

WRONG! Leave off the 144,000 and you have it right: they are the ENTIRE 12 tribes of Israel, the very same 12 tribes that came from Jacob and his 12 sons.

"She cried out in labor and in pain to give birth" is metaphor of the 144,000 fleeing and trying to survive their annihilation from the antichrist during the 2nd half of the tribulation. It's because of them, Jesus' 2nd Coming happens at that time to rescue them. They give birth to Jesus who will rule with a rod of iron.

WRONG! The 144,000 are caught up to heaven at the midpoint of the week. They are GONE before the days of great tribulation begin. How could anyone who thinks they know, be so far off? It is the two witnesses that testify for God during the last half of the week.

Jesus isn't specifically returning at that time to save all of Israel, it's mainly for His FirstFruit on Earth. Unfortunately, if you do the math from the bible's description, you'll see roughly 8 million Jews will perish and less than 300,000 will survive till the 2nd Coming.

First thing He does as described in Mark 13:27 is He'll gather all His FirstFruits in Heaven (The Church) and on Earth (144,000) together to be with Him upon His return. And the 144,000 will meet Him at Mount Zion.

AGain you are miles off. Paul's rapture comes before the 70th week begins. The 144,000 are caught up at the midpoint. Without much doubt, both the Bride of Christ that was raptured pretrib and the 144,000 will return WITH CHRIST when He returns as seen in Rev. 19. This Mount Zion as shown in Rev. 14 is in HEAVEN and they are seen around the throne of God.

Mark 13:27 (NKJV)
And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

Revelation 14:1 (NKJV)
The Lamb and the 144,000
Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Sorry, the elect being gathered are gathered from both earth and heaven. This is NOT Paul's rapture, which gathers ONLY from earth and under the earth (the dead bodies coming out of the graves). This is, without much doubt, God gathering all of ISRAEL. The 144,000, as I said before are REDEEMED from the earth and are in heaven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cu0LkglQgw

Who are the 144,000? - Rev. Charles Cooper

The Woman Clothed With the Sun - The ministry of the 144,000 during Great Tribulation

The 144,000 of the Tribulation, who are the 144,000 witnesses, the tribulation

Perhaps you would do well to listen to the Holy Spirit, and not someone on Youtube that probably knows less than you do about these things.

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Lastly, Revelation is not in perfect chronological order. There "IS" a reason why, but telling others that it's perfect will mislead those new to reading Revelation who won't understand.

Overall, there is no history lessons in Revelation. You just haven't figured out some of the events and how they tied into one another, but instead decided to accepted a wild idea to fit them into your eschatology.

Sorry Lamad, but that's what's happening.

Socrates was right; there is no doubt of that. You just think you know, when in fact, you don't. And again, if you think Revelation is not in the right order, SHOW US. My Axiom on Revelation:

ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL be proven wrong.

LAMAD

 

[interpreter]

We are now experiencing global warming (last plague # 4).

 

[bibletruth469]

I believe that revelation 12 :1-6 spans from the beginning and the vision ends at mid point of the tribulation when the women( Israel ) is protected for the 3 1/2 years. She will flee to Petra where she will be safe from the antichrist. The rest of the Jews who do not flee will be taken over by the Antichrist at the abomination of desolation. Matt 24:15-20, also spoken by Daniel .

I believe that the 12 stars in the vision are the 12 tribes of Israel and the women is Israel.

I believe the dragon is satan and he does take over the man , the antichrist , by demonic possession at the mid point of the tribulation. I believe that scripture does show that 1/3 of the angels were cast out of heaven to the earth in the beginning. Rev 12:4.

Christ is the man child who was born as a Man and is the 2nd person of the trinity in the Godhead ; the vision shows that one day, He will rule the nations with a rod of iron. Rev 12:6

Therefore , in this vision, it spans from the beginning and ends at the mid point of the tribulation rev 12:6. IMO

 

[iamlamad]

I believe that revelation 12 :1-6 spans from the beginning and the vision ends at mid point of the tribulation when the women( Israel ) is protected for the 3 1/2 years. She will flee to Petra where she will be safe from the antichrist. The rest of the Jews who do not flee will be taken over by the Antichrist at the abomination of desolation. Matt 24:15-20, also spoken by Daniel .

I believe that the 12 stars in the vision are the 12 tribes of Israel and the women is Israel.

I believe the dragon is satan and he does take over the man , the antichrist , by demonic possession at the mid point of the tribulation. I believe that scripture does show that 1/3 of the angels were cast out of heaven to the earth in the beginning. Rev 12:4.

Christ is the man child who was born as a Man and is the 2nd person of the trinity in the Godhead ; the vision shows that one day, He will rule the nations with a rod of iron. Rev 12:6

Therefore , in this vision, it spans from the beginning and ends at the mid point of the tribulation rev 12:6. IMO

WOW! DEAD CENTER ON! This is truth. This is the intent of the Author, the Holy Spirit. You can take it to the bank.

LAMAD

 

[Old Timer]

WOW! DEAD CENTER ON! This is truth. This is the intent of the Author, the Holy Spirit. You can take it to the bank.

LAMAD

How would you know that?

 

[iamlamad]

How would you know that?

The Author told me of His intent when He wrote it.

LAMAD

 

[Serendipity..]

I if we are in the book of revelation now I hope it's towards the last few pages because it's getting really boring. I wish Jesus would return soon for us.

 

[iamlamad]

I if we are in the book of revelation now I hope it's towards the last few pages because it's getting really boring. I wish Jesus would return soon for us.

Boring? Being a part of the Body of Christ in these last days is ANYTHING but boring!

LAMAD