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Where are we now in the book of Revelation?

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Since the Tribulation hasn't started yet and since "The Day of the Lord" - or WWIII - is near the end of Tribulation, "The Day of the Lord" is nowhere near happening.
In fact, NOTHING is near happening until the antichrist makes his appearance.

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The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.

Satan is a master of disguise and Bible students miserably fail at identifying fingerprints. Close is not good enough. History MUST match all points revealed in Scriptures to know if it is of God.

Many a book on prophecy have been written and not worth the ink and time it takes to produce them.
 
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The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.

Satan is a master of disguise and Bible students miserably fail at identifying fingerprints. Close is not good enough. History MUST match all points revealed in Scriptures to know if it is of God.

Many a book on prophecy have been written and not worth the ink and time it takes to produce them.

Only a head's up, ie, the 3.5 already began at 70 A.D. where we were all born toward the end of the "Tribulation, the great one", ie, a spiritual battle where the "effects" are seen and experienced in the physical.

Satan was bound in the abyss at the Cross, and the Antichrist has been doing his work for centuries.

Old Jack's view
 
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Only a head's up, ie, the 3.5 already began at 70 A.D. where we were all born toward the end of the "Tribulation, the great one", ie, a spiritual battle where the "effects" are seen and experienced in the physical.

Satan was bound in the abyss at the Cross, and the Antichrist has been doing his work for centuries.

Old Jack's view

My Brother:

I do not believe 70 AD was a fulfillment of prophecy. Israel were Lo-ammi (Hosea 1:9) at Acts 28. Every time Israel went into captivity prophecies were suspended for that nation until they returned.

The difference in the accounts of Solomon and Paul was 93 years concerning the history of Israel. That 93 years fits exactly as to the number of years in servitude. Paul was using gentile calendar whereas whereas Solomon was using the Hebrew calendar. God does not "see" the periods of servitude... whereas we do.

The seventieth week of Daniel will be a continuous event from the start until fulfilled.

Repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand....your redemption draweth nigh...this generation shall not pass. These ALL have no meaning unless some event happened to delay these prophecies.

The books of the New Testament are out of chronological order. The ONLY one in order, prophetically speaking, is the book of Revelation.
 
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The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.

Satan is a master of disguise and Bible students miserably fail at identifying fingerprints. Close is not good enough. History MUST match all points revealed in Scriptures to know if it is of God.

Many a book on prophecy have been written and not worth the ink and time it takes to produce them.

This is simply not true. How long did Jacob have to work EXTRA for the woman he loved? The answer is, seven years. This is how long Jacob's trouble will be: 7 years or the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week begins with the 7th seal, and ends with the 7th vial, so it DOES cover much of Revelation. The last half of the week goes from the 7th trumpet to the 7th vial.

You said that right about the many books on Revelation. Most were written with human understanding alone.

LAMAD
 
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Then take a look in the mirror perhaps.

I remember well the days I first started attending an Assembly of God church. I knew from the first service there was something different about those services I had never seen or been introduced to before. It was the anointing! Several of the men time and again would tell me I needed to be filled with the Holy Spirit, but I would argue scripture that I thought I knew with them. Finally one day one of the men said,

"If God has a free gift for you, why in the world would you refuse it?"

That was a question I had no answer for! That question kept going through my mind. How stupid of me to be refusing a FREE GIFT from God! My mind was still filled with arguments, all from false doctrine I grew up with. I made a decision: I took all those arguments and told the Lord, "I will set these all aside today, and I will receive whatever you have for me." I put all my arguments on a back burner as unfinished business, and I received the second greatest Gift God gives: the mighty baptism with the Holy Spirit. My life changed. I would NEVER wish to go back to living without Him. I would never wish to NOT be able to pray in the Spirit.

You tell me, Old Timer, what about this was ridiculous?

Should I tell you about the time I was praying, all by myself on a Saturday night, because I felt in my heart that God wanted me to attend a bible school, but I was working for the US Forest Service and had 27 years of Federal service, plenty enough to retire, but I was a few years short of being OLD ENOUGH to retire? (This was years ago.) As I was praying, I told the Lord,

"I would quit if you asked me to, but it would not be MY first choice."

Instantly God answered, and I heard what sounded like an audible voice:

"Son, I want you to pray for Congress to write a bill to give you an early retirement."

I was astounded. I found a pencil and paper and wrote it down. I took it home and showed it to my wife. We began to pray, sort of like Mary, that God's will be done, and Congress would write such a bill.

About a month later, a prophetess from another state came to our church for three nights of meetings. On the third night, she laid her hand on me and spoke out the most bold prophecy I have ever heard: (I have heard many!) She said,

"Haven't I already said I am going to do something different with you? And YOU CAN CAREFULLY COUNT, WITHIN 90 DAYS. I SAID YOU CAN CAREFULLY COUNT WITHIN 90 DAYS, for I have already launched you into ministry."

She was shouting loudly as she said the 90 days part. She shouted louder as she repeated it. We marked that day on the calendar and counted out 90 days. That took us to Valentine's day, 1994. On the 88th day the House of Representatives passed a bill, and on the 89th day the Senate passed a bill, both for the US Forest Service to have an early retirement program. Both bills included a $25,000 INCENTIVE to persuade people to retire!

I could go on and on with miracles God did to pull this off. The bill was signed into law on April first, 1994. I was ready and was the first one to get my papers turned in to retire. I did not know then that I would have to pay a deposit. I was using ten years of US ARmy time added to my Forest Service time, to retire, but during my Army time I did not pay anything into the Civil Service retirement program. So I learned on the second day, around 11 AM that I needed to pay in a $6700 deposit! And the personnel lady said she needed the check by 5 PM that day. WOW!

I kept saying, "Lord, how in the world will you get a check into my hands in a few hours?" Shortly after that, one of my co-workers came up to my shop, and ask,

"how is the retirement going?" I answered,

"It is going well, but I just found out I have to pay a $6700 dollar deposit." Those were the words that went through my mind. But other words came out of my mouth from the Holy Spirit that did NOT go through my mind: I added "will you loan it to me?" I would NEVER have been bold enough to ask that on my own! The Holy Spirit knew something I did not.

My question startled him so much he jerked! But after a few seconds, he said,

"I just took a loan out on my house to do some repairs. I have $10,000 in an account right now. Yes, I will loan it to you!"

He also knew this retirement program included the $25,000 incentive and that I would easily be able to pay him back. His wife threw a FIT, but he did it anyway. By 4 PM I had a check in my hand for $6700 dollars, and I turned it in to the personnel lady. She sent copies in to Washington.

Little did we know....when we got to work on the 3rd day, the US Government decided they would CLOSE THE PROGRAM! It was CLOSED. Thank God, I got my check in on time, and I got to "go past go," collect my $25,000 and retire! WHY did that lady say she needed the check by 5:00? She had no idea what was going to happen! It was the Holy Spirit! I forgot to say, early on the second day, someone from DC called me on the phone and said I could NOT retire, this program was for white collar workers. My boss asked me what he said, and I told him. He asked me what I was going to do, and I said,

"Nothing. He will change his mind and call back." And sure enough, later he called back and said they were going to allow me to retire.

Would ANY of this have happened if I had not HEARD God speak? No. Would ANY of this have happened if I had not been filled with His spirit and prayed MUCH in the Holy Spirit? No.

I would have been VERY HAPPY to sell my house for $50,000. I paid less that that for it. It was probably one of the oldest houses in the town. I offered it to a builder, because it was zoned commercial and it was big enough he could build apartments there. He needed it. He wanted it. He knew it was a VERY good price. But the Holy Spirit would not let him come over and make the deal. I kept bugging him for a couple of months, and finally he said, just sell it to someone else.

We also had a real estate lady in our church, so I went to her and told her my place was for sale and she was the agent. She came over the next day and said she would list it for $75,000. Someone made a deal in the first hour. So in a couple of months time, God put TWO checks for twently five thousand dollars each into my hands......all because I HEARD the voice of God tell me to pray for congress to write a bill. (I say two checks for $25,000 because I would have been VERY happy to sell the house for $50,000 and make a little profit. God wanted to add another $25,000!

You think I have ANY desire to go back to my Wesleyan days, where they said speaking in tongues was of the devil? How stupid could any church be? It is in the BIBLE! NO NO NO, I would NEVER go back to living without the anointing! God's gifts PROSPER us. If the Holy Spirit had not spoken those words from my mouth, "will YOU loan it to me?" I would never have been able to retire. They changed their minds and closed the program after two days! It was just as if God did this JUST FOR ME. You THINK?

(For those that don't understand, when one prays in the Spirit, it is the Holy Spirit creating a prayer, passing it to our spirit man and our spirit praying it out, and our mind gets bypassed. This is how the Holy Spirit spoke words that did not go through my mind. This is how prophecy comes: straight from the Holy Spirit to the human spirit to words out of the mouth that do not go through the mind. When I asked, "will you loan it to me?" it came out like prophecy; it was the Holy Spirit speaking with my mouth.)

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This is simply not true. How long did Jacob have to work EXTRA for the woman he loved? The answer is, seven years. This is how long Jacob's trouble will be: 7 years or the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week begins with the 7th seal, and ends with the 7th vial, so it DOES cover much of Revelation. The last half of the week goes from the 7th trumpet to the 7th vial.

You said that right about the many books on Revelation. Most were written with human understanding alone.

LAMAD

I did NOT say the book of Revelation was ALL there is to the time of Jacob's trouble. Did I?
 
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I did NOT say the book of Revelation was ALL there is to the time of Jacob's trouble. Did I?

"The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise."

There is a quote of what you wrote. Do you stand by this?

The truth is, there are some chapters in the book before we get to the start of the Week, and some chapters after the week has finished. Maybe you did not really write what you meant to write. We all do that at times.

LAMAD

 
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"The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise."

There is a quote of what you wrote. Do you stand by this?

The truth is, there are some chapters in the book before we get to the start of the Week, and some chapters after the week has finished. Maybe you did not really write what you meant to write. We all do that at times.

LAMAD


You are correct. I can see how you took it that way. Did not mean as taken and was just pointing out the time period involved and did not specify my intent in total.. Peace has not been made with Israel and the anti-christ has not reared his ugly head yet.
 
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Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

And prophecies were suspended at Acts 28 (63 AD). That is why the account of Israel's history by Paul differed from the account of Solomon by 93 years. The gentile calendar sees the time of servitude of Israel whereas God's calendar does not.

Every time Israel were Lo-ammi the prophecies were suspended concerning Israel until they returned to the land.


The one new man was introduced and this calling had been hid IN God and NEVER made known to the prophets in the past:

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been.... hid in God....who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph 3:3-5
3 How that by revelation he made known unto....me ....the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which.... in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men.... as it is.... now ....revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


The "NOW" is 63 AD and that revelation was made to Paul and Paul alone by our ascended Lord.
 
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The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.


You actually are correct. The Time of Jacob's Trouble is the last half of the tribulation.

Both Daniel's 70th Week and a Time of Jacob's Trouble are about the Israel in the tribulation. one is for the entire week, the other is about the great tribulation. Two prophecies about two time-frame.
 
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You actually are correct. The Time of Jacob's Trouble is the last half of the tribulation.

Both Daniel's 70th Week and a Time of Jacob's Trouble are about the Israel in the tribulation. one is for the entire week, the other is about the great tribulation. Two prophecies about two time-frame.

Great. and both are consecutive with no break.
 
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Great. and both are consecutive with no break.

Again you are correct.

A second prophecy (Time of Jacob's Trouble) had to be written because Israel is at peace during the first half (covenant with Antichrist) but in danger from her enemies during the second half (covenant broken and a Time of Jacob's Trouble).
 
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Jacob's Trouble (Jer.30:7) began witht he fall of the Babylonian monarchy - judgment on the nations, and deliverance of the true spiritual Israel (Joel2:1, 2).

Old Jack

Did you noticed in verse 6 of Jeremiah 30, it spoke about Revelation 12?

Jeremiah 30:6-7 - ERV
(6) “Ask this question and consider it:
Can a man have a baby? Of course not!
Then why do I see every strong man holding his stomach
like a woman having labor pains?

Why is everyone’s face turning white
like a dead man?
(7) “This is a very important time for Jacob.
This is a time of great trouble.
There will never be another time like this,
but Jacob will be saved.
 
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Interplanner said in post 312:

Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

In Revelation 1:1,3, as in Revelation 22:6,10, "shortly" and "at hand" can be understood in the same manner as "Surely I come quickly" in Revelation 22:20, which refers to Jesus' still-unfulfilled 2nd coming. I.e., shortly/at hand/quickly in these verses can be understood from the viewpoint of God, not men (2 Peter 3:8-9).

Also, from the viewpoint of men, part of what Revelation chapters 2-3 foretold could have begun unfolding "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) after John saw his Revelation vision. For the letters to the 7 literal, 1st century AD local church congregations (Revelation chapters 2-3) in 7 cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11b) could have foretold a 1st century persecution (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 3:10) under the Roman Emperor Domitian which happened shortly after John saw his vision around 95 AD, near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c). But even all the (to us) still-future events of the tribulation and subsequent 2nd coming of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 will unfold "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) or "quickly" (Revelation 22:20) after John saw his vision. For from the viewpoint of God, even the passing of some 2,000 years is like the passing of only 2 days (2 Peter 3:8). Christians should look at the future fulfillment of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 (and Matthew 24) from the viewpoint of God, not men, for whom the passing of some 2,000 years seems like a long delay for its fulfillment (2 Peter 3:9).

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Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

The tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which Jesus will return immediately after (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), hasn't started yet. It will begin with a horrible war, which, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, will end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. After this war, there will be a terrible series of natural disasters historically unprecedented in their magnitude, such as a gigantic volcanic eruption (Revelation 6:12-14), possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera, and then the collapse into the ocean of another erupting volcano (Revelation 8:8-9), possibly one of the Canary Islands, the collapse of which could set up a huge tsunami which could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S.

If such a tsunami occurs, it could cause a string of awful, Fukushima-type, nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants and their nuclear-waste storage facilities all along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially deadly viruses and bacteria could be washed inland and spread across the U.S. and Canada as they infect animals and people.

After the volcanic activity and possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Revelation 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S. and Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky, it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Revelation 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Revelation 8:10b), and it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Revelation 8:11b). Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who had been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

After that, an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders will come upon the earth (Revelation 9:16-19). If they descend from the sky in spaceships, the world could see them as aliens. But they and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") could (falsely) say that they're YHWH God's main army. In fact, they could be loyal to Lucifer (Satan, the dragon, Revelation 12:9). The 4 fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates who will lead this army (Revelation 9:14-16) could employ it to make mankind utterly desperate before its complete takeover by Lucifer and the Antichrist mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9 to 13:18). For when the army starts killing 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:16-19), then could also begin one of the biggest deceptions ever wrought on humanity. For the Antichrist, who by that time could have managed to have been elected as the President of a Mediterranean Union formed by the joining of the European Union with an Arab Union stretching from Oman to Morocco, could announce to the world that he has sent a mental distress call to (what he could call) "My Father, our Lord Lucifer, to come with his legions of angels, and rescue mankind from this murderous army of YHWH".

(And all of this will be part of only the 1st half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.)

It's at this point that Lucifer and his fallen angels could be cast down out of heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9). But instead of coming down as a defeated force, they could descend for all the world to see in gigantic, magnificent golden spaceships onto the "Champ de Mars", Mars being the same as Marduk the dragon, the chief god of ancient Babylon. The "Champ de Mars" is the large open area in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. After landing there, Lucifer, a literal 7-headed, red dragon (Revelation 12:3,9), could emerge in great splendor and command his angels to capture the army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders, who could then pretend to defect from serving YHWH to serving Lucifer. Lucifer could then confirm that he has come to rescue mankind because the Antichrist, who he could say is his only-begotten "Son", called upon him (like in an Antichrist counterfeit of Matthew 26:53). Lucifer and the Antichrist could then be received wholeheartedly by the unsaved world as the saviors of mankind. And the unsaved world could be left thinking (mistakenly) that Lucifer and his angels were more powerful than even YHWH God's main army.

Lucifer and the Antichrist, along with the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, will then deceive the world into actually worshipping Lucifer and the Antichrist and a speaking (possibly android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-16, Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And everyone will be made to receive a (possibly scarification) mark of the Antichrist either on their right hand or forehead, consisting of either the Antichrist's name or some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:16-18). After Lucifer and the Antichrist have ruled the world for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), YHWH will send 7 vials of wrath against the unsaved world (Revelation 16).

Near the end of the 7 vials, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) to battle against YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon as a staging area, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:2-21).
 
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