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I'm so sorry. I'm just caught up in the conversation as a whole. I'm not at all trying to answer for you. What I was responding to was so completely in left field I couldn't help myself. But also, this is more or less a free form forum. So I didn't realize what I was responding to was for you alone. Going forward I'll try to stay away from anything your involved with.I’d actually prefer you didn’t answer for me.
The story is quite interesting with a lot of skepticism and denial at first.
Why do you assume that the Earth then would react the same as the Earth today?Uniformitarianism. Even if we conclude the miraculous nature of the Noahic Flood as described in Genesis, since it acted on the world, the world would have reacted in a way that we know the world would react to a flood.
Any method of discovering the truths of God outside of the witness of the Holy Spirit would most certainly damn all those who are not yet prepared to receive the Word of God.Now this bit makes no sense to me. Are you saying that we would be damned IF we found evidence of the Flood as described in Genesis?
The witness of the Holy Spirit is a witness surer than sight.Even though some people claim that to believe in a 100% literal Bible means believing 100% in the Flood account, and for many people to accept that, they'd require actual evidence.
I am not surprised by this. Most people do not consider the doctrine when they are not motivated by a sincere search for truth.I am confused by your line of reasoning.
No, it’s just said person’s silly quips that i dontI'm so sorry. I'm just caught up in the conversation as a whole. I'm not at all trying to answer for you. What I was responding to was so completely in left field I couldn't help myself. But also, this is more or less a free form forum. So I didn't realize what I was responding to was for you alone. Going forward I'll try to stay away from anything your involved with.
Why do you assume that the Deluge is comparable to any floods we would know or recognize today?
Because physics hasn't changed.Why do you assume that the Earth then would react the same as the Earth today?
It is true that there are no rains everywhere on the planet for even a moment, let alone days and days in a row.Why do you assume that the Deluge is comparable to any floods we would know or recognize today?
None of this is related to current ripples.Any method of discovering the truths of God outside of the witness of the Holy Spirit would most certainly damn all those who are not yet prepared to receive the Word of God.
The witness of the Holy Spirit is a witness surer than sight.
I am not surprised by this. Most people do not consider the doctrine when they are not motivated by a sincere search for truth.
No, it’s just said person’s silly quips that i don't wish to encourage.
It is true that there are no rains everywhere on the planet for even a moment, let alone days and days in a row.
It was a miracle and an act of supreme mercy.Because that's not an option available for empiricists.
If it can't be appraised, assessed, calibrated, collated, computed, concatenated, evaluated, gauged, quantified, specified, tested and retested, it didn't happen.
Unless -- of course -- it's what they call a "singularity."
Or something they can put down on paper and make it stick after thirty tries.
But miracles?
Out of the question!
The Earth fell from Her paradisaical glory after Man partook of the Fruit and left the Garden.Because physics hasn't changed.
You believe that the Biblical narrative claims that it rained everywhere on Earth at the same moment? Why?It is true that there are no rains everywhere on the planet for even a moment, let alone days and days in a row.
Yet it was all relevant to the question that was asked of me.None of this is related to current ripples.
It was a miracle and an act of supreme mercy.
I am a Latter-day Saint - this website does not consider me to be a Christian - and even though my Church does not have official stance about all the facts concerning Noah, the Ark and the Flood (other than they existed, and the events happened) - men I have come to believe were prophets have made some claims about it that I have found to be very interesting.
Good.Indeed it was.
Please understand that I don't subscribe to Mormon theology.
Suffice it to say though, that we're on the same page here as to the Flood being a miracle; as opposed to it being a natural event.
Good.
And not to be "that guy" - but we prefer to be called Latter-day Saints.
If you ever wish to ask me any question about my faith - or at least share how we disagree - drop me a message anytime.
What? How does that change physics? (We have measurements from the distant Universe that indicate that physics hasn't changed from object that existed billions of years ago.)The Earth fell from Her paradisaical glory after Man partook of the Fruit and left the Garden.
I'm not sure why you are talking about the "Garden". Your claim the Earth might have reacted differently in "the flood", but "the flood" was hundreds of years after "the fall", not before it. Even if physics changed with "the fall", that would not make it different than now in the time of "the flood".The mortal Earth we know today was not how She was in the beginning - and the changes for Her - as well as for Adam and Eve - were gradual - even if they were of a different scale.
I have not seen any credible evidence other than the biblical references about a global flood. So, if we read the Bible carefully, there is no global flood. All it says is that the flood waters were as far as one can see. So, this can be a local flood.Except that we kind of have to when certain people say that Noah's flood WAS a truly global flood and they insist there's evidence for it.
Why do you assume that the Earth then would react the same as the Earth today?
Why do you assume that the Deluge is comparable to any floods we would know or recognize today?
Any method of discovering the truths of God outside of the witness of the Holy Spirit would most certainly damn all those who are not yet prepared to receive the Word of God.
The witness of the Holy Spirit is a witness surer than sight.
am not surprised by this. Most people do not consider the doctrine when they are not motivated by a sincere search for truth.
I have not seen any credible evidence other than the biblical references about a global flood. So, if we read the Bible carefully, there is no global flood. All it says is that the flood waters were as far as one can see. So, this can be a local flood.
Yes! That is exactly my point. The OP was "how can there have been a flood when we don't see ripples?" My point is that yes, there was a worldwide flood -- albeit long long ago. It's just the timing of the Noah flood story that doesn't match. It is NOT whether or not a flood occurred.Chicxulub hit the earth 65 million years ago. Whole mountain ranges have eroded since than. How would anyone expect current ripples to have not eroded as well?
Yes! That is exactly my point. The OP was "how can there have been a flood when we don't see ripples?" My point is that yes, there was a worldwide flood -- albeit long long ago. It's just the timing of the Noah flood story that doesn't match. It is NOT whether or not a flood occurred.
KT
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