Where are the current ripples from Noah's Flood?

AV1611VET · Oct 16, 2024

Astrid said:
Even our resident last Thursdayist admits to that; god cleaned it up, he says.

Let me give you a piece of friendly advice, Astrid.

I got reported and moderated for calling you a karen.

Please stop referring to me as a Last Thursdayist, or I'll report you likewise.

Personally, I'm near immune to being name called.

But your insistence on calling me a Last Thursdayist makes it harder to defend my position as an Embedded Ager to someone who doesn't know me.

dlamberth · Oct 16, 2024

KevinT said:
Let me ask a related question. Do you believe that a giant meteor struck the earth at the site of the Chicxulub crater? This is believed to be behind the mass extinction event that wiped out dinosaurs. Where are the "ripples" left behind from that?

Although the timing is not consistent with the apparent timing outlined in the Bible, I think this meteor strike is the same event as the Biblical Noah's flood.

KT

Chicxulub hit the earth 65 million years ago. Whole mountain ranges have eroded since than. How would anyone expect current ripples to have not eroded as well?

Astrid · Oct 16, 2024

dlamberth said:
Chicxulub hit the earth 65 million years ago. Whole mountain ranges have eroded since than. How would anyone expect current ripples to have not eroded as well?

There would be many traces of said flood, not nevessarily ripple marks

ive seen Devonian ripple marks.

small ones

AV1611VET · Oct 16, 2024

Astrid said:
There would be many traces of said flood, not necessarily ripple marks.

God sent a worldwide flood that damaged the earth beyond its capacity to repair itself.

Had God not intervened and repaired the earth, we wouldn't be here.

Hans Blaster · Oct 16, 2024

KevinT said:
Let me ask a related question. Do you believe that a giant meteor struck the earth at the site of the Chicxulub crater? This is believed to be behind the mass extinction event that wiped out dinosaurs. Where are the "ripples" left behind from that?

Ripples are cause by sustained rushing water (or winds). A meteor impact is a big wave pushing out and then possibly flowing back with a few secondary waves.

There are other signs of that impact. For example:

Secondary cratering on Earth: The Wyoming impact crater field

or this one:

North Dakota site shows wreckage from same object that killed the dinosaurs

NOVA did a whole episode about the latter site.

KevinT said:
Although the timing is not consistent with the apparent timing outlined in the Bible, I think this meteor strike is the same event as the Biblical Noah's flood.

KT

The description in Genesis does not match a meteor impact.

AV1611VET · Oct 16, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
The description in Genesis does not match a meteor impact.

Even if God did use a meteor impact to orchestrate the Flood, the impact site would have been erased by the flood.

dlamberth · Oct 16, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Even if God did use a meteor impact to orchestrate the Flood, the impact site would have been erased by the flood.

But not evidence of the flood itself which was suppose to have happened only 4000 years ago.

AV1611VET · Oct 16, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Even if God did use a meteor impact to orchestrate the Flood, the impact site would have been erased by the flood.

dlamberth said:
But not evidence of the flood itself which was suppose to have happened only 4000 years ago.

That is correct.

The flood itself would not have erased evidence of the flood itself.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 16, 2024

Zaha Torte said:
Why do you assume that God's Flood would be the same as others?

Uniformitarianism. Even if we conclude the miraculous nature of the Noahic Flood as described in Genesis, since it acted on the world, the world would have reacted in a way that we know the world would react to a flood.

Zaha Torte said:
Do you not know that God would not leave such verifiable evidence because He does not wish to forever damn you and others?

Now this bit makes no sense to me. Are you saying that we would be damned IF we found evidence of the Flood as described in Genesis? Even though some people claim that to believe in a 100% literal Bible means believing 100% in the Flood account, and for many people to accept that, they'd require actual evidence.

I am confused by your line of reasoning.

AV1611VET · Oct 16, 2024

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Even if we conclude the miraculous nature of the Noahic Flood as described in Genesis, since it acted on the world, the world would have reacted in a way that we know the world would react to a flood.

By drowning?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 16, 2024

KevinT said:
Let me ask a related question. Do you believe that a giant meteor struck the earth at the site of the Chicxulub crater? This is believed to be behind the mass extinction event that wiped out dinosaurs. Where are the "ripples" left behind from that?

Although the timing is not consistent with the apparent timing outlined in the Bible, I think this meteor strike is the same event as the Biblical Noah's flood.

KT

I know other people have gone onto this but I would like to say that, yes, there are 'ripples' left behind from that Chicxulub asteroid strike. Mainly a layer of impact melt spherules and in some locations such as those closest to the impact in the Yucatan, tsunami backwash.

And no, this is not the same even as the account of the Noahic Flood in Genesis. For one thing, and most damning of all: there were no humans around at this time, 66 million years ago, to witness, let alone record, the event.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 16, 2024

AV1611VET said:
By drowning?

Which would have left evidence.

dlamberth · Oct 16, 2024

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I know other people have gone onto this but I would like to say that, yes, there are 'ripples' left behind from that Chicxulub asteroid strike. Mainly a layer of impact melt spherules and in some locations such as those closest to the impact in the Yucatan, tsunami backwash.

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And no, this is not the same even as the account of the Noahic Flood in Genesis. For one thing, and most damning of all: there were no humans around at this time, 66 million years ago, to witness, let alone record, the event.

Oh...thanks. I didn't know about these.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 16, 2024

dlamberth said:
Oh...thanks. I didn't know about these.

I did have to double check since I knew there was a layer, but the specifics escaped me.

KevinT · Oct 16, 2024

Astrid said:
There is nothing to see at the site.
65,000,000 years is a long time for erosion, deposition,ocean intrusion, etc.

There are geologic remnants of the Chicxulum crater

Astrid said:
if you have any interest I can show you easy proof there was no flood.
( world wide, as plainly described in genesis)

Hint; ice floats

Are you telling me that you think that an asteroid impact the size of Chicxulub would not cause a worldwide tsunami?

Proving that something did happen can be documented by showing the item. Proving that something did NOT happen seems more problematic. I am curious how you will "easily" prove this.

KT

Astrid · Oct 16, 2024

KevinT said:
There are geologic remnants of the Chicxulum crater

Are you telling me that you think that an asteroid impact the size of Chicxulub would not cause a worldwide tsunami?

Proving that something did happen can be documented by showing the item. Proving that something did NOT happen seems more problematic. I am curious how you will "easily" prove this.

KT

Thanks for asking!
i just meant you can’t see a crater.
it took subsurface work to realize it was there.

No doubt there was world wide tsunami

Did/ didnt happen…just depends on what.

its easy for the police to determine that a elephant herd did not tramole your petunia.
Easyvto prove they did, if they did.

The presence of polar ice far older than any possible date for genesis flood
proves it did not happen.

AV1611VET · Oct 16, 2024

Astrid said:
i just meant you can’t see a crater.
it took subsurface work to realize it was there.

In other words, they dug a big hole and called it a crater?

Gene2memE · Oct 16, 2024

KevinT said:
Let me ask a related question. Do you believe that a giant meteor struck the earth at the site of the Chicxulub crater? This is believed to be behind the mass extinction event that wiped out dinosaurs. Where are the "ripples" left behind from that?

There are SO MANY existing ripples from the Chixculub impact. Here's a small sample:

The remains of the physical impact crater itself, as well as the related geological structures in the surrounding area like crustal weakenings and sinkholes.
The presence of impact deposits and melted rocks down to at least a depth of 10 km, along with the presence of materials from the ejecta blanket spread over an area of thousands of kilometers.
The type of sedimentary rocks laid down in the area after the impact.
The presence of magnetic and gravatic anomalies at the crater site.
The global presence of elevated levels of iridium in sedimentary rock strata aged (roughly) 66 million years old.
The presence of sedimentary rock layers laid down from the tsunamis following the impact (with geological evidence up of their formation up to 6000 km away from the impact site).
Fossil evidence of a simultaneous mass extinction in the area around the impact site (out to a distance of about 2500 km), and then a delayed mass extinction out to about 8000 km from the site.

KevinT said:
Although the timing is not consistent with the apparent timing outlined in the Bible, I think this meteor strike is the same event as the Biblical Noah's flood.

Why?

What possible reason could you have to think that an impact 66 million years ago, before humans were even a biological reality, is the same as a flood story that is disticntly similar to those of neighboring near-eastern cultures in the same time period?

We know these things:

Humans experience floods. Particularly cultures that developed alongside major river systems (like the Tigris, Nile, Euphrates and Jordan rivers).
Humans ascribe agency/anthropomorphise natural events.
Humans are hardwired to tell stories. Humans also borrow stories from nearby cultures.
Humans use supernatural beings as a fill in for gaps in knowledge.

Given that knowledge, why would you think that an impact that pre-dates human-like creatures by about 64 million years is the basis for the Biblical deluge story?

dlamberth · Oct 16, 2024

AV1611VET said:
In other words, they dug a big hole and called it a crater?

If only it were that simple.
The story is quite interesting with a lot of skepticism and denial at first. Which is exactly what should happen with science. New ideas should be challenged and tested.

Here's a link laying out the story:
Chicxulub Crater

Astrid · Oct 16, 2024

dlamberth said:
If only it were that simple.
The story is quite interesting with a lot of skepticism and denial at first. Which is exactly what should happen with science. New ideas should be challenged and tested.

Here's a link laying out the story:
Chicxulub Crater

I’d actually prefer you didn’t answer for me.

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