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Where are all the bones?

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Bacteria can be found in volcanic vents under the ocean, they are one of the most resilient and adaptable forms of life known.
Good point!
 
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Don't they have to go through the stomach to get to the intestines?

Originally it was e-coli not just any bacteria that was being discussed. Some e-coli are good for us and some are not and they do survive the stomach acid.
 
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Don't they have to go through the stomach to get to the intestines?
Are you suggesting there aren't already E. coli in our colon? Any ecoli that is already in our colon don't have to go through our stomach to be already in our colon.
 
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Fun fact, there are most bacterial cells in your body than human cells (though there are much smaller). Several pounds of your body weight is just bacteria.

They're mostly pretty awesome though. They help us digest food and keep us healthy. In return they get a warm and moist place to live along with food. It's a symbiotic relationship. Only a small percentage of bacteria species are actually harmful to humans. Most don't affect us or are beneficial.
 
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Fun fact, there are most bacterial cells in your body than human cells (though there are much smaller). Several pounds of your body weight is just bacteria.

There are probably more bacteria in one bowel movement than there have been humans in all of history. A fun poo fact.
 
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Bible says the earth is about 6000 years old.

Actually, some priest who read the bible is the one who said that. The bible itself doesn't.

Evolution religion says earth is billions of years old and man came about 5 million years ago.

Not a religion. And it's not 5 million years ago. It's more like 150.000-ish years.

We know in the last 300 years, human population has grown exponential.

Yes. Due to scientific advances in engineering, agriculture, medicine, etc.

If man came about millions of years ago, the population count would be an astronomical figure.

Only if you ignore the actual causal factors of the population growth of the last couple centuries.

If archeologi$t$ keep finding dino$aur bones, how come there don't find billions and billions and billions of human bones?

Because strawmen don't make for good arguments. Neither does general ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.
 
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Bible says the earth is about 6000 years old.
Evolution religion says earth is billions of years old and man came about 5 million years ago.

We know in the last 300 years, human population has grown exponential. If man came about millions of years ago, the population count would be an astronomical figure.

If archeologi$t$ keep finding dino$aur bones, how come there don't find billions and billions and billions of human bones?
The dirt beneath our feet was once alive, the only skeletons we find were preserved by some chance. In earlier times the life span was short for many reasons.
 
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A MAN named Ussher said it is 6000 years old...there is nothing in the Bible absolutely states how long ago Creation started.
Usher came in over a millennium AFTER the calculation was made.

THIS I have heard of:
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/counting-the-years/#

Calculating the Birth of the World


The Tannaim (sages of the late Second Temple Period and the century after the destruction) calculated the date of Creation. They did so by basing their work upon the Bible’s account of lifetimes and kingdoms, thereby determining the period of time from Creation to a known date, in this case, the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 C.E.


Many rabbis attempted this task, but the method attributed to Rabbi Yossi ben Halafta, a second century C.E. sage, is the one which gained popularity. He calculated “molad tohu”–“birth from nothing”–to be in the fourth hour of Monday, October 7, 3761 B.C.E. (according to the Gregorian calendar used in the secular world today). In Hebrew, this moment has the mnemonic acronym “BeHaRD”, which stands for:


Bet: the second day of the week, Monday (since the letter bet often represents the number two);


Hei: the fifth hour (since hei represents five);


Reish-Daled: 204 halakim (“parts,” a smaller measure of time, based on the idea that reish=200, daled=4).


The calculation of BeHaRD is discussed in a work attributed to Rabbi Yossi, Seder Olam (“Order of the World”), which is also sometimes called Seder Olam Rabbah in order to distinguish it from a work of similar name (the later Gaonic work, Seder Olam Zuta).


Innumerable scholars, both Jewish and Christian, have attempted to calculate the date of Creation. Even if they used the same basis (Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible) for their systems of accounting, there is a broad range among their estimates. The historian des Vignoles stated in the introduction to his treatise on chronology that he had found well over 200 different calculations of the time from the birth of the world to the fall of the Second Temple, and that they varied by as much as 3,500 years. Well into the rule of Queen Victoria of England the most commonly given date for Creation was the year 4004 B.C.E., calculated by Bishop Usher, who published this date in 1654.


To this day, those Jews who believe the biblical accounting of time to be literal still accept Rabbi Yossi’s calculation, dating Creation to the year 3761 B.C.E. Others claim that the date is figurative, symbolic, or holds esoteric meaning. In calculating BeHaRD, Rabbi Yossi tried to justify disparate accountings from the following sources: the chronologies of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles; those of the Second Temple kingdoms, in rabbinic histories passed down to the Talmud and found in the Babylonian Talmud, Avodah Zarah 9a and 10a; and the prophecies of Jeremiah and Daniel.


Happy Year 5776.
 
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Usher came in over a millennium AFTER the calculation was made.

THIS I have heard of:
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/counting-the-years/#

Calculating the Birth of the World


The Tannaim (sages of the late Second Temple Period and the century after the destruction) calculated the date of Creation. They did so by basing their work upon the Bible’s account of lifetimes and kingdoms, thereby determining the period of time from Creation to a known date, in this case, the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 C.E.


Many rabbis attempted this task, but the method attributed to Rabbi Yossi ben Halafta, a second century C.E. sage, is the one which gained popularity. He calculated “molad tohu”–“birth from nothing”–to be in the fourth hour of Monday, October 7, 3761 B.C.E. (according to the Gregorian calendar used in the secular world today). In Hebrew, this moment has the mnemonic acronym “BeHaRD”, which stands for:


Bet: the second day of the week, Monday (since the letter bet often represents the number two);


Hei: the fifth hour (since hei represents five);


Reish-Daled: 204 halakim (“parts,” a smaller measure of time, based on the idea that reish=200, daled=4).


The calculation of BeHaRD is discussed in a work attributed to Rabbi Yossi, Seder Olam (“Order of the World”), which is also sometimes called Seder Olam Rabbah in order to distinguish it from a work of similar name (the later Gaonic work, Seder Olam Zuta).


Innumerable scholars, both Jewish and Christian, have attempted to calculate the date of Creation. Even if they used the same basis (Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible) for their systems of accounting, there is a broad range among their estimates. The historian des Vignoles stated in the introduction to his treatise on chronology that he had found well over 200 different calculations of the time from the birth of the world to the fall of the Second Temple, and that they varied by as much as 3,500 years. Well into the rule of Queen Victoria of England the most commonly given date for Creation was the year 4004 B.C.E., calculated by Bishop Usher, who published this date in 1654.


To this day, those Jews who believe the biblical accounting of time to be literal still accept Rabbi Yossi’s calculation, dating Creation to the year 3761 B.C.E. Others claim that the date is figurative, symbolic, or holds esoteric meaning. In calculating BeHaRD, Rabbi Yossi tried to justify disparate accountings from the following sources: the chronologies of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles; those of the Second Temple kingdoms, in rabbinic histories passed down to the Talmud and found in the Babylonian Talmud, Avodah Zarah 9a and 10a; and the prophecies of Jeremiah and Daniel.


Happy Year 5776.
Isaac Newton came up with 4000 BC and Johannes Kepler 3977 BC.
 
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Usher came in over a millennium AFTER the calculation was made.

THIS I have heard of:
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/counting-the-years/#

Calculating the Birth of the World


The Tannaim (sages of the late Second Temple Period and the century after the destruction) calculated the date of Creation. They did so by basing their work upon the Bible’s account of lifetimes and kingdoms, thereby determining the period of time from Creation to a known date, in this case, the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 C.E.


Many rabbis attempted this task, but the method attributed to Rabbi Yossi ben Halafta, a second century C.E. sage, is the one which gained popularity. He calculated “molad tohu”–“birth from nothing”–to be in the fourth hour of Monday, October 7, 3761 B.C.E. (according to the Gregorian calendar used in the secular world today). In Hebrew, this moment has the mnemonic acronym “BeHaRD”, which stands for:


Bet: the second day of the week, Monday (since the letter bet often represents the number two);


Hei: the fifth hour (since hei represents five);


Reish-Daled: 204 halakim (“parts,” a smaller measure of time, based on the idea that reish=200, daled=4).


The calculation of BeHaRD is discussed in a work attributed to Rabbi Yossi, Seder Olam (“Order of the World”), which is also sometimes called Seder Olam Rabbah in order to distinguish it from a work of similar name (the later Gaonic work, Seder Olam Zuta).


Innumerable scholars, both Jewish and Christian, have attempted to calculate the date of Creation. Even if they used the same basis (Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible) for their systems of accounting, there is a broad range among their estimates. The historian des Vignoles stated in the introduction to his treatise on chronology that he had found well over 200 different calculations of the time from the birth of the world to the fall of the Second Temple, and that they varied by as much as 3,500 years. Well into the rule of Queen Victoria of England the most commonly given date for Creation was the year 4004 B.C.E., calculated by Bishop Usher, who published this date in 1654.


To this day, those Jews who believe the biblical accounting of time to be literal still accept Rabbi Yossi’s calculation, dating Creation to the year 3761 B.C.E. Others claim that the date is figurative, symbolic, or holds esoteric meaning. In calculating BeHaRD, Rabbi Yossi tried to justify disparate accountings from the following sources: the chronologies of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles; those of the Second Temple kingdoms, in rabbinic histories passed down to the Talmud and found in the Babylonian Talmud, Avodah Zarah 9a and 10a; and the prophecies of Jeremiah and Daniel.


Happy Year 5776.

Those were calculations by men..Is God constrained to their time table?
 
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Those were calculations by men..Is God constrained to their time table?
Not really, but I trust the Jewish calculations more than the gentile ones.

Rom 1.1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision?
2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

Rom 11.29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
 
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Isaac Newton came up with 4000 BC and Johannes Kepler 3977 BC.

Shakespeare, writing in about 1600, said, 'the poor world is almost six thousand years old' (As You Like It, IV, i, 88-9).
 
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Not really, but I trust the Jewish calculations more than the gentile ones.

Rom 1.1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision?
2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

Rom 11.29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Yet they were still men..,and fallible.
 
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