Where are all the bones?

[Aryeh Jay]

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[AV1611VET]

So for those who as sure as I used to be it really is all around 6000 years old, help me out with the dinosaur part?

The dinosaurs were created during the creation week, and most of them died out after the Flood.

Some remained however.

Behemoth,* leviathan, satyrs, unicorns are examples -- in my opinion.

A problem arises when concordance users try to "expand their knowledge of the Scriptures" and get just what they deserve: confused.

These concordances are nothing more than tools of the Devil to cast doubt on God's word.

* Sorry Linnaeus, Behemoth had a navel; so your classification system is flawed.

 

[Goatee]

I've heard all the arguments of what a day could really entail, the most popular being "a day is as a thousand years to God". But for one thing, that appears to have nothing to do with the beginning, at least I've never seen them connected to my satisfaction.

Also, even the very verses describing the beginning tell us "the evening and the morning were the first day" making it as clear to me as anything possibly could, we are talking a 24hr day, or even a 12 hour or so day, since "the light he called day". But beyond that there appears top be little confusion of what a day consists of..

As to the 6000 years being exact, I doubt it, but I'm satisfied it's close, baring the unanswered question about the Dino's.

'The evening and morning were the first day', as you say, but, 1 day to God could be millions to us! Here in the Bible it is being written 'plainly'. 6,000 years is so far from the mark! We know the age of rocks, bones, coal etc etc etc etc. 6,000 years is a myth. Its numbers by people who like making numbers from out of 'NOTHING'.

 

[Deadworm]

The Priestly creation story was created for poetic liturgical worship in the Jerusalem Temple. The repetitive phrases are designed for liturgical response. The point is to ground Sabbath rest on a 7 day creation model.

The day vs. night rotation already functions on the first day. But how could it when a literal reading reserves the sun's creation for the 4th day? Answer: The poetry does not intend the sequences to be taken literally. Each day of creation ends with the phrase, "Evening came, morning followed, the first (2nd, 3rd, etc.) day." But this phrase is missing after the 7th day because that "day" has not yet ended! That means the flexibility of the Hebrew word for "day" is operant here and "day" means "whole ages."

Despite the poetry, some science is reflected in the narrative. Light results from the "wind" moving over "the face of the waters (1:2-3)." "Waters" is the poetic Hebrew term to designate what we recognize as the vacuum of space. "Wind" means force an expansion resulting in light. Hence, the poetic equivalent of the Big Bang.

God does not simply speak vegetation and sea life into existence; He says, "Let the earth bring forth vegetation (1:11)" and "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures (1:20)." The sequence of life proceeds roughly in the same way that evolution implies: life begins in the sea, then expands to mammals, and finally to humans. How God creates is not specified. The New Jerusalem Bible best captures the Hebrew nuance of Proverbs 8:30-31 in which Mother Nature (called Wisdom) operates in creation through divine "play," a poetic symbol similar to the randomness of evolutions natural selection.

 

[AV1611VET]

For me, i see it written as 6 days. Well, thats 6 nice plain days for God. But, for us, it could be millions of years! God is outside of time remember. I am sure that if it had to be written as it happened, step by step, we would need 1,000s of books to timeline it all!

God has put it all into a nice easy week. A week for God.........Millions of years for us! Simples

So the trees existed millions of years without the sun?

 

[Goatee]

So the trees existed millions of years without the sun?

As stated earlier, its not in order. Check back one post.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Priestly creation story was created for poetic liturgical worship in the Jerusalem Temple.

I take it you don't believe Adam wrote Genesis 1?

 

[AV1611VET]

As stated earlier, its not in order. Check back one post.

I know it's not in order.

There are some 20 differences in how God did it, and how scientists say their deity* did it.

I believe God did it in the order He did it in to "confound the wise" in the latter days.

* Mother Nature

 

[Kenny'sID]

A problem arises when concordance users try to "expand their knowledge of the Scriptures" and get just what they deserve: confused.

I get you there, I hat this "higher knowledge" you mention, but this goes beyond that, somethings simply don't make sense.

The dinosaurs were created during the creation week, and most of them died out after the Flood

That I don't buy at all. Animals were spoken of before the flood and no mention of the most terrifying beasts to ever walk the planet, nothing but the slight mention of those you mention:

Behemoth,* leviathan, satyrs, unicorns are examples -- in my opinion.

and they may not even be dino's, but I have no problem with the possibility. Still as much as other animals are spoken of and used to indicate the powerful beasts, we see nothing of the most powerful T. Rex for example and there are so many more that far supersede the animals that are spoken of.

 

[Goatee]

Maybe God did not need to mention such creatures to us. He know we would find their bones one day.

 

[AV1611VET]

That I don't buy at all. Animals were spoken of before the flood and no mention of the most terrifying beasts to ever walk the planet, nothing but the slight mention of those you mention:

I think you're forgetting that, before the Fall, the animals had a reverential fear of man.

Adam probably had a T. Rex as a pet.

 

[Kenny'sID]

he day vs. night rotation already functions on the first day. But how could it when a literal reading reserves the sun's creation for the 4th day? Answer: The poetry does not intend the sequences to be taken literally. Each day of creation ends with the phrase, "Evening came, morning followed, the first (2nd, 3rd, etc.) day." But this phrase is missing after the 7th day because that "day" has not yet ended! That means the flexibility of the Hebrew word for "day" is operant here and "day" means "whole ages."

To me it appears the writer went out of his way to make it a literal description. As to the sun being created on the first day, one would naturally assume that, I know I would, but when read carefully, it never actually says the first light was the greater light that ruled the day from verse 4. God created light, and light, just light in general was good, so on the 4th day he tweaked it with a permanent light to rule the day, as in the sun? Not saying that's a fact but something to consider as explanation for the discrepancy.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I think you're forgetting that, before the Fall, the animals had a reverential fear of man.

No, I really am not, it makes little difference to me in the scheme of the argument. Actually animals still have a reverential fear of man, but not as much as before, some will cop an attitude, especially if they are bigger than us. Even some of the small ones can get pretty nasty.

Adam probably had a T. Rex as a pet.

And that wasn't mentioned?

 

[Blondepudding]

If you daisy chain the genealogies, you should come up with 4000 years of Earth's history, ending in about AD 96.

Are you saying then that earth is less than the 6000 years? But is instead 4000 years old?

And how do those who believe this reconcile millions of year old fossils discovered and tested to arrive at that millions of years age?

When you speak of days in the other post. As in god created in six days are you talking about solar days? What we know as 24 hours?

 

[toLiJC]

Bible says the earth is about 6000 years old.
Evolution religion says earth is billions of years old and man came about 5 million years ago.

We know in the last 300 years, human population has grown exponential. If man came about millions of years ago, the population count would be an astronomical figure.

If archeologi$t$ keep finding dino$aur bones, how come there don't find billions and billions and billions of human bones?

here you reason very well

Blessings

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying then that earth is less than the 6000 years? But is instead 4000 years old?

No.

I'm saying the Bible brings us up to AD 100, then secular history takes it from there.

And how do those who believe this reconcile millions of year old fossils discovered and tested to arrive at that millions of years age?

They are either wrong, as YECs assert, or God embedded age into His creation.

When you speak of days in the other post. As in god created in six days are you talking about solar days? What we know as 24 hours?

Yes.

 

[Colin.B.H]

And how do those who believe this reconcile millions of year old fossils discovered and tested to arrive at that millions of years age?

Because if God can make the universe then he can make bones in it to appear like they are billions of years old. Hope this helps

Are you saying then that earth is less than the 6000 years? But is instead 4000 years old?

And how do those who believe this reconcile millions of year old fossils discovered and tested to arrive at that millions of years age?

When you speak of days in the other post. As in god created in six days are you talking about solar days? What we know as 24 hours?

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[Blondepudding]

Because if God can make the universe then he can make bones in it to appear like they are billions of years old. Hope this helps



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Let's go with that idea.
If there was a god then there could be no limits to its power. I agree. If it was powerful enough to inspire a letter to its human creation to tell them it was there and give a behavioral outline in that letter to guide those humans behaviors, why would it then mislead them, if a 6000 year earth is spoken of in that gods letter, by putting millions of years old dinosaur bones into a 6000 year old earth that it created?

 

[Blondepudding]

No.

I'm saying the Bible brings us up to AD 100, then secular history takes it from there.

OK I guess.

They are either wrong, as YECs assert, or God embedded age into His creation.

Yes.

Why would he need to embed age into his creation after he created earth? Or are you saying he embedded age into everything including earth?

 

[Colin.B.H]

Let's go with that idea.
If there was a god then there could be no limits to its power. I agree. If it was powerful enough to inspire a letter to its human creation to tell them it was there and give a behavioral outline in that letter to guide those humans behaviors, why would it then mislead them, if a 6000 year earth is spoken of in that gods letter, by putting millions of years old dinosaur bones into a 6000 year old earth that it created?

It is not to give us doubt but to test our faith. God has made our earthly lives in a way to test our faith and see if we stay strong. The reward being heaven for those who succeed.

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