Where are all the bones?

[AV1611VET]

Let's go with that idea.
If there was a god then there could be no limits to its power. I agree. If it was powerful enough to inspire a letter to its human creation to tell them it was there and give a behavioral outline in that letter to guide those humans behaviors, why would it then mislead them, if a 6000 year earth is spoken of in that gods letter, by putting millions of years old dinosaur bones into a 6000 year old earth that it created?

God created the earth as old as it is, but He did it 6000 years ago.

And He documented what He did, where He did it, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

So anyone who accuses Him of deception is ... well ... wrong.

 

[keith99]

Because if God can make the universe then he can make bones in it to appear like they are billions of years old. Hope this helps

Could, yes. But if He did what does that say about such a God? It would make him a deceiver and that is a title He has given to Satan! No the Christian God would do no such thing.

 

[TLK Valentine]

God created the earth as old as it is, but He did it 6000 years ago.

And He documented what He did, where He did it, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

So anyone who accuses Him of deception is ... well ... wrong.

And people should accept your fantasy as truth because...?

 

[Colin.B.H]

Could, yes. But if He did what does that say about such a God? It would make him a deceiver and that is a title He has given to Satan! No the Christian God would do no such thing.

Not deception. I replied to a similar question earlier this evening. It was for the same reason that he allowed Job to be tempted and tested by satan

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[keith99]

Not deception. I replied to a similar question earlier this evening. It was for the same reason that he allowed Job to be tempted and tested by satan

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Did God put anything there to deceive Job? No deception I called it and deception it would be.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did God put anything there to deceive Job? No deception I called it and deception it would be.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

 

[Colin.B.H]

Did God put anything there to deceive Job? No deception I called it and deception it would be.

A test of faith. When job was tested everyone around him, all of his friends told him to turn away from God because he new that God wasnt just torturing Job and Job kept believing in God. In the end for believing that God would deliver him safely Job got everything back and much more as will we and change our thinking of a decisive God to a just God. Thanks for the good discussions so far

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[AV1611VET]

A test of faith. When job was tested everyone around him, all of his friends told him to turn away from God because he new that God wasnt just torturing Job and Job kept believing in God. In the end for believing that God would deliver him safely Job got everything back and much more as will we and change our thinking of a decisive God to a just God. Thanks for the good discussions so far

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I don't mean these guys any disrespect, but I believe their scientific mindsets are getting in the way of understanding the simple concept of GOD DID IT.

 

[Moral Orel]

A test of faith. When job was tested everyone around him, all of his friends told him to turn away from God because he new that God wasnt just torturing Job and Job kept believing in God. In the end for believing that God would deliver him safely Job got everything back and much more as will we and change our thinking of a decisive God to a just God. Thanks for the good discussions so far

You should read Job again.... Job failed the test. God had to show up and tell him what's what to get him on the right track again.

 

[Moral Orel]

Jesus hid the truth in parables. Why not God? Jesus didn't stop before telling a parable and say, "This is just a story, it didn't really happen, but you can still learn from it". That didn't make Jesus a liar because he talked about people doing things that never happened.

So when we look at the universe, I like to consider, "what does God like to do?" not "what can God do?". Sure, God can create a planet in an instant, but what we can see is that apparently He likes to create systems. He created the matter and gravity and energy that allow planets to create themselves. Now if God created the universe in a way that allows galaxies to form on their own, and solar systems to form on their own, and planets to form on their own, and the topography of those planets to form on their own because He obviously enjoys building self-sustaining systems, why would it be outside of the range of possibilities that that is how He created the Earth and the Sun and the Universe?

And if it's possible, and if it were true, how would He describe such a process to people living thousands of years before modern science? Would He bother trying to explain it accurately? Or would He hide the truth in parables so that people get the important message out of the stories and leave the systems to be discovered later? A lot of Christians find the complex systems that are in place to cause things to form all on their own a lot more incredible and amazing and requiring intelligence than "Poof! There's a rock!". It isn't a test of their faith, rather it bolsters it.

I'm actually not a believer, but it isn't science that keeps me from believing. Even if we somehow discovered and proved that there was an eternal multiverse that spat out universes which could cause abiogenesis all on its own which lead to and through evolution to create intelligent life all across that universe, that would in no way prove that God wasn't behind it all. The ideas are completely separate from each other and require proofs of completely different kinds.

 

[Gene2memE]

The reason researchers don't discover "billions and billions" of human bones is twofold:

Firstly, fossilisation is a rare event - it needs just the right conditions to occur. If conditions aren't just right, bones will usually decompose within several hundreds of years. So, the reason why there aren't billions of human bones is the same reason there aren't billions of animal bones - they bones have been acted on by the forces of nature and been destroyed by the ravages of time. The bones that have survived did so thanks to comparatively rare sets of circumstances.

In addition, humans have a tendency to bury their dead in collections - burial grounds, graveyards and cemeteries. These were usually at the periphery of sites of existing habitation. A lot of these sites are now covered with human infrastructure - roads, shopping centres, sports stadiums and all the other detritus of civilization. Quite often humans dig something up and we discover the remains of out long dead relatives

Secondly, part of the question's initial premise is faulty. Its really only since the start of the Industrial Revolution that human population growth has been unambiguously upwards.

The end of the Middle Ages/start of the Renaissance saw a number of developments in agricultural, medical, construction, information and transport technologies changed modes of human habitation in Europe - and then the start of the Industrial Revolution allowed rapid transmission of these technologies globally.

There are isloated periods when there were strong levels of population growth - various Middle China periods, Roman and Persian empires come to mind - but these were subsumed in the rise and fall of civilisations at the time.

Estimates are that the global population was about 150 million in the year 0, and only double that 1000 years later. In the next 700 years, the global population doubled again, to about 600 million. In the 300 years after that, the global population shot up to about 6 billion.

 

[The Cadet]

It is not to give us doubt but to test our faith. God has made our earthly lives in a way to test our faith and see if we stay strong. The reward being heaven for those who succeed.

That's incredibly convenient - if anything doesn't match the story precisely, it's a trap put there on purpose and it's just being used to test our faith. We can safely discard any contradictions that might cause us to question the story. How reasonable is that? How does that make any sense? Is there any claim or story we could reject if we were to follow this logic? As ThereminTrees so excellently put it:

Faith required that you believe despite an absence of expected evidence or despite the presence of conflicting evidence. But how do we detect lies? Through the absence of expected evidence or the presence of conflicting evidence. The very things that faith demanded we disregard.

Any supreme intelligence would know that a system that protected lies so efficiently would lay humans open to just about any conceivable abuse. People could be manipulated to accept all kinds of deceptions.​

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith required that you believe despite an absence of expected evidence or despite the presence of conflicting evidence. But how do we detect lies? Through the absence of expected evidence or the presence of conflicting evidence. The very things that faith demanded we disregard.

You don't make up lies to protect from lies either.

 

[Goatee]

Because if God can make the universe then he can make bones in it to appear like they are billions of years old. Hope this helps

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Lol......thats hilarious.

 

[Goatee]

God created the earth as old as it is, but He did it 6000 years ago.

And He documented what He did, where He did it, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

So anyone who accuses Him of deception is ... well ... wrong.

Waw, and you REALLY believe that? Phew!!!!!

 

[AV1611VET]

Waw, and you REALLY believe that? Phew!!!!!

Ya.

And get this ... I believe Jesus walked on water too!

Ever heard such a thing!?

 

[Goatee]

Ya.

And get this ... I believe Jesus walked on water too!

Ever heard such a thing!?

Keep on believe in the truth, that is 'JESUS'.

The other stuff is just fairy tale fantasy stories for those who like to believe things like that!

 

[AV1611VET]

Keep on believe in the truth, that is 'JESUS'.

The other stuff is just fairy tale fantasy stories for those who like to believe things like that!

Do you believe you are literally eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood during Holy Communion?

 

[Goatee]

Do you believe you are literally eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood during Holy Communion?

Yes i do. Its what all Catholics believe;

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-real-presence

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes i do. Its what all Catholics believe;

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-real-presence

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm

Do I call what you believe "fairy tale fantasy stories"?