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I actually list what you are talking about in my article on the end times. More as a curiosity because the numbers (dates) don’t add up the way everyone asserts they do. Nor do the the number of kingdoms.
Not any more than I suggested it contains a recipe for tomato soup
I have already listed my evidence for all of this. But here is what I wrote about your dates in my web page....if it will fit. I call the dates I presented evidence for hard dates. I call these ones soft dates because they seem to fullfil some things but just don't fit in an all encompasing way the hard dates do.
#2 In the twentieth century the western world was inundated with pop culture prophecy teachings that center on the end of the world being heralded by a "revived" Roman Empire. Movies were made, millions of books were sold. All had slight variations but all had as a center piece a revived Roman Empire. Whatever group of European nations that were making the news of the day were to be this revived empire. The churches were burdened with these teachings for almost a century. Needless to say, they were 100% wrong 100% of the time. With the advent of the twenty-first century "revived" Roman Empire speculations were being abandoned wholesale by the new pop culture teachers. What possessed these teachers to embrace such teachings? Well obviously ignorance which every wind of doctrine is able to manipulate. But also assumptions based on erroneous understandings regarding other prophecy related teachings like making the many comings of Christ and days of the Lord articulated in scripture a one time future event they call a "second" coming. Making the kingdom of God something imposed by force on the earth by direct miraculous or angelic imposition. Projecting the judgments and the end of past age disasters into todays news stories. Taking clearly apostolically declared prophecies about the Great Gospel Age and applying them to the modern nation of Israel. With these errors all that remained to be fulfilled was the Roman Empire coming back to life. This caused a general blindness to the fact that if a a revived Roman Empire is the beast that was and is not and yet is. Then the revived western branch Roman Empire that started in 800 under Charlemagne that ended in 1806 with the abdication of emperor Francis II was it. It certainly seemed to fulfill many prophecies. It was, it was not and yet it was once more. The peoples of Europe suffered mightily under it. They certainly considered it thus and the empire itself considered itself a revived western empire.
I cannot see the relevance of this quote?
Where does it say that in the quotation?
I understand that the original Latin reads, in direct literal word-for-word translation...
I believe it was written before 70 AD and that Nero had sent John to Patmos. The internal evidence is that John was told that he would go later to cities and so on. If it was written in the time of Domitan, John would have been too old (90) to fulfill that mission. It also fits in perfectly with the events leading up to the fall of Jerusalem and fits in with Matthew 24 as well. The letters to the churches were actually letters to those churches, not church ages. Those churches (cities) would feel the full weight of the persecution that was about to come. Jerusalem is Bablyon and it says so. John wrote openly of the temple that was still in existance before 70 AD. Nero was the beast and he was actually called "a beast" by the Romans because of how he treated them as well. He was the worst tyrant in all of human history.
A good point about John being too old, but where does it say that John would go to those cities?
Trying to prove or disprove either point of view requires more room than any simple web forum can provide. Kenneth Gentry wrote an excellent book on the subject that's worth reading. It's called Before Jerusalem Fell. This topic is most definitely what one might call an "area of expertise," so I would encourage everyone to give this book, or others like it, a fair read to familiarize yourselves with the abundance of data on the subject. Unless this topic is your area of expertise, you might not know as much about it as you think. I thought I knew quite a lot about it until I read some books on the subject, from both points of view.
I read your post. Probably one of the best summaries of evidence for post 70ad dating I’ve read.you are right, pre 70 can be proven 100%. But neither can post be proven 100%. There are several critiques and issues with your summaries, which I will post as soon as I can, but your post was long and thorough and it deserves a thorough response, which will take some time.
This is based on asumptions and what is more ignores the Bible itself. The Bible is not interpreting the Bible but outside men who already made up their minds.
That's not so. The interpretation of it is irrelevant to the date of its authorship. The late authorship assumptions are based on a statement concerning John by Irenaeus (Against Heresies 5.30). But there is a question of interpretation there as well, whether it means to say that John was seen during the reign of Domitian, or that the Revelation was seen during the reign of Domitian.
