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I don't see that the entirety was, either.I agree with your view to an extent. Certainly much of the Revelation was fulfilled in 70 AD, but I do not see that the entirety of it was.
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That might alleviate your confusion of the book, it can be quite intimidating if we do not understand the keys to unlocking it. Out of 404 verses 289 have old testament phraseology. Its a big code book, and the code is the old testament.Problem solved then... everybody follow "Revealing Times".
Forgive me...
Me saying I will go with the "Traditions of the Church" means the majority, which usually lends credibility more than going with a fringe tradition.Well tradition can be right and tradition can be wrong. There is a lot of disagreement. But the first few chapters show immanence of Jesus' coming. The rest of Revelation provides proof. You know, much of Revelation is about the Mass.
Its usually liberal scholars who try to change the Church Traditions and the Authors of the bible etc. etc. I don't put any stock in them, they are usually of Satan and rheir whole desire is to sow confusion.
Is what you have arrived at very different from others?That might alleviate your confusion of the book, it can be quite intimidating if we do not understand the keys to unlocking it. Out of 404 verses 289 have old testament phraseology. Its a big code book, and the code is the old testament.
Takes effort, but I have been at it 30 years, thus I have been instructed well, via the Holy Spirit.
Ummmmm no, I see it everyday, they come on with a title saying look at me then say Jesus had wives, or the he might have advocated homosexual relationships etc. etc. I will stick with Gods ways, he picked out unlearned men to be his Disciples.It is my experience that these scholars whom you dismiss and condemn so viciously are seeking only to know the truth. Be careful who you condemn and why.
Yes, its called hearing the Holy Spirit. If you have 200 different interpretations on Babylon, then the Holy Spirit is not a part of that. There is one right answer, and way too many people who are not called to prophecy are trying to dissect these prophesies.Is what you have arrived at very different from others?
Forgive me...
Yes, its called hearing the Holy Spirit. If you have 200 different interpretations on Babylon, then the Holy Spirit is not a part of that. There is one right answer, and way too many people not called to prophecy are trying to dissect these prophesies.
God has given me the gift of understanding these things. To me they come easy.
Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea was born before the ascension of Constantine to the throne. Constantine's mother Helena was Christian. Constantine legalized Christianity. Constantine appointed Eusebius as one of his spiritual advisors. Eusebius wrote the book, "Ecclesiastical History." In this book Eusebius published detailed accounts of the persecution of Christians under Nero, Domitian and other Roman emperors. From Eusebius one may learn Christians were being fed to lions as public sport. Eusebius also published objections to the book of Revelation made by church leaders in Egypt who had stated the book was not written by the Apostle John, but that that it was a work of fiction.The Revelation of John has had a long and chequered history. The Church long resisted including it in the canon. At one point in a council of bishops over half abstained from the vote and it was accepted by one vote. In other words less than one quarter of the bishops cared enough for it to vote for its inclusion. Other Christian leaders including Martin Luther have at one time or another attempted to dump it. even today one scholar Earl Doherty has written --- "Despite the apologetic efforts of those seeking to rehabilitate this document for the modern mind, it is difficult to see Revelation as anything more than a paroxysm of hate created by aIinspired writings. John the prophet has cast his spiritual Christ in his own joyless and vengeful image. The voice of this Messiah is his own, ready to punish for every slight, every rejection the prophet has suffered in his missionary work."
Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea was born before the ascension of Constantine to the throne. Constantine's mother Helena was Christian. Constantine legalized Christianity. Constantine appointed Eusebius as one of his spiritual advisors. Eusebius wrote the book, "Ecclesiastical History." In this book Eusebius published detailed accounts of the persecution of Christians under Nero, Domitian and other Roman emperors. From Eusebius one may learn Christians were being fed to lions as public sport. Eusebius also published objections to the book of Revelation made by church leaders in Egypt who had stated the book was not written by the Apostle John, but that that it was a work of fiction.
Good post and you have been at it a few more years than my humble self.That might alleviate your confusion of the book, it can be quite intimidating if we do not understand the keys to unlocking it. Out of 404 verses 289 have old testament phraseology. Its a big code book, and the code is the old testament.
Takes effort, but I have been at it 30 years, thus I have been instructed well, via the Holy Spirit.
I find this person's view concerning the "allusions" found in the book of Revelation that are found in the Old Testament/Covenant rather fascinating.
Would anyone like to put down verses from Revelation and the verses from the OT/OC that are alluded to it? Thanks
THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION
One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That is, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.
95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation.
That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!
I recall reading about an American expedition to document the contents of the library of an ancient Greek monastery at Mt. Athos, Greece. They found copies of individual books of the Bible in the library. Of all the books contained, Revelation was the least popular, with the least number of copies in the library.
I would think the Song of Moses in Revelation 15:3 may be a subtle reference to Israel, which is shown in Exodus 15:1?*snip*
There are major clues that tend to show this fact also. Why do you think Israel is nowhere to be found in Revelation except when the 144,000 Revelation 7:4 and the 12 Tribes are spoken of in Revelation 21:12............Edit
Lucky? Or chosen? Abraham was chosen, and I guess you could say fortunate, but God knows all things so He chooses those that are humble, remember Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own child until God stopped him. I see the number key in a relationship with Gd as being Obedience.You are very lucky then. Thing is, which of the millions of people, who claim to have been given the same gifts as you do people believe?
There is no thread there anymore. But I read the box below and that is the right track.Good post and you have been at it a few more years than my humble self.
Perhaps you might be interested in this thread I created a while back.
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/allusions-in-revelation-from-old-testament.7588850/
Why is Israel hardly mentioned? Because the old Israel is about to pass away with the destruction of the temple. The woman in Rev 12 is Mary (because the child she gives birth to is Jesus). It is also telling that it doesn't say Mary appeared...because she's in heaven and sinless. If Rome had already sacked Jerusalem, why would they need to be fearful?Me saying I will go with the "Traditions of the Church" means the majority, which usually lends credibility more than going with a fringe tradition.
There are major clues that tend to show this fact also. Why do you think Israel is nowhere to be found in Revelation except when the 144,000 Revelation 7:4 and the 12 Tribes are spoken of in Revelation 21:12. But when speaking about Israel being protected in Rev. 12, it had to be encoded as the WOMAN, because Rome of course had already sacked Jerusalem/Israel.
If Revelation had of been written before 70 AD it is not likely they would have been so fearful of writing the word Israel. Its usually liberal scholars who try to change the Church Traditions and the Authors of the bible etc. etc. I don't put any stock in them, they are usually of Satan and their whole desire is to sow seeds of confusion.
We should all be so lucky.Revealing Times said: ↑
Yes, its called hearing the Holy Spirit.
If you have 200 different interpretations on Babylon, then the Holy Spirit is not a part of that.
There is one right answer, and way too many people not called to prophecy are trying to dissect these prophesies.
God has given me the gift of understanding these things. To me they come easy.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Good post and you have been at it a few more years than my humble self.
Perhaps you might be interested in this thread I created a while back.
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/allusions-in-revelation-from-old-testament.7588850/
There is no thread there anymore. But I read the box below and that is the right track.
Dr. Ed Hindson teaches the whole book of Revelation in one hour. Its pretty good, it doesn't get into the deeper things like who is Babylon etc. But its a real good overview. It mentions the Code Book a being the Old Testament.
Ahh thanks for bringing that up. For some reason I bolded the title in that link.There is no thread there anymore. But I read the box below and that is the right track.
I will have to look at it.Dr. Ed Hindson teaches the whole book of Revelation in one hour. Its pretty good, it doesn't get into the deeper things like who is Babylon etc. But its a real good overview. It mentions the Code Book a being the Old Testament
Lucky? Or chosen? Abraham was chosen, and I guess you could say fortunate, but God knows all things so He chooses those that are humble, remember Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own child until God stopped him. I see the number key in a relationship with Gd as being Obedience.
God prefers obedience over mercy/sacrifice, He says so in the scriptures.
1 Samuel 1522 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
Jesus wan't even given the full power of the Holy Spirit until he came out of the Desert, having been tested by Satan. Read Luke 4, he was LED by the Holy Spirit into the Wilderness, after Satan tested him for 40 days, and Jesus denied him at every turn by using the word of God, then Satan made his last offer of all the Kingdoms of the world being his if he would just bow down and serve him, for it is given unto me to do as I will and I give it to whom I will. Jesus of course said get thee behind me Satan.
Then what says the Scripture?
Jesus came out of the Desert IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT.
Obedience is how we get close to God, not Sacrifice. Its easy to say forgive me God, its harder to stay in Gods will.
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