When was Peter saved?

[URA]

I don't understand what you're asking. Salvation isn't something that just happens one day; it's a lifelong process. Hebrews 3:14: "For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ."

Your question of Peter "losing salvation" at his denials of Christ seems to be a question of mortal vs. venial sin. 1 John 5:16-17: "If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death."

As far as "regaining salvation", this happens whenever we repent. Peter denied Christ 3 times, but ran back & apologized. Judas denied Christ in a different way, but killed himself instead of seeking forgiveness. All Jesus is really looking for is repentance; we see this in the most amazing conversion stories of people like John Pridmore and Crystallina Evert, who were farther lost than most of us, but came back to Jesus & became passionate Christians. Peter went to Confession; Judas refused to accept Jesus' mercy.

Still, these are good questions for discussion, and it's interesting to think about, even if I don't understand the underlying premise.

God be with us.

 

[Southernscotty]

I believe we all agree that it ultimately was Jesus Christ that is the complete fulfilment and how everyone including OT saints are saved.
But I see a little difference in those who say he was already saved at this time, So what is this division?
He was obviously chosen and God knew he would fail, As we all do in the flesh. yet spiritually he was saved and the Spirit is like the wind and no one knoweth which way it blows.

We are all in an eternal war spirit against flesh but spiritually if we are saved, We have salvation.

What I take from this is that no matter what we have done in life, There is always forgiveness available when we return to Jesus with a repentant heart and seek His will.

 

[brinny]

Was Peter saved to begin with? Remember, Christ was not yet crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. - Luke 22:31-32

Christ was not yet crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

Yet, Jesus went about healing and forgiving of sins simultaneously as hE walked the earth. Including when He was hanging there on the cross before He died, next to the thief who acknowledged Him. Jesus forgave this thief right then and there.

 

[Southernscotty]

I don't understand what you're asking. Salvation isn't something that just happens one day; it's a lifelong process. Hebrews 3:14: "For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ."

I disagree friend. We are Justified at salvation and sealed with the HS and then we sanctified throughout our lives becoming more "Christ like"
Hebrews is addressing the early scattered jews from Jerusalem and Judea. [My opinion is that it is Pauls early manuscript]

 

[~Zao~]

It all relates to being brought on to maturity. There is always a falling back, but with it there is a moving forward, because that's the way of God’s dealing with His people.
In returning to Him away from idols the blessings from the Father flow.
But it’s also the Father that is tilling the soil by giving permission to satan to sift us all.

Peter’s actions (and our wayward acts) were/are disapproved but it’s the salvation within that presses on to full salvation of mind, body and soul thru the human spirit’s connection to the Holy spirit, our guarantee.

 

[Southernscotty]

From GOT QUESTIONS.ORG

Abraham believed God according to the promises and new revelation God gave him in Genesis 12 and 15. Prior to Moses, no Scripture was written, but mankind was responsible for what God had revealed. Throughout the Old Testament, believers came to salvation because they believed that God would someday take care of their sin problem. Today, we look back, believing that He has already taken care of our sins on the cross (John 3:16; Hebrews 9:28).

What about believers in Christ's day, prior to the cross and resurrection? What did they believe? Did they understand the full picture of Christ dying on a cross for their sins? Late in His ministry, “Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life” (Matthew 16:21-22). What was the reaction of His disciples to this message? “Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. ‘Never, Lord!’ he said. ‘This shall never happen to you!’” Peter and the other disciples did not know the full truth, yet they were saved because they believed that God would take care of their sin problem. They didn't exactly know how He would accomplish that, any more than Adam, Abraham, Moses, or David knew how, but they believed God.

Today, we have more revelation than the people living before the resurrection of Christ; we know the full picture. “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” (Hebrews 1:1-2). Our salvation is still based on the death of Christ, our faith is still the requirement for salvation, and the object of our faith is still God. Today, for us, the content of our faith is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He rose the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Southernscotty]

Peter never denied that Jesus was the Christ...He just denied having been with Him.

That is a great point brother :] Thank you

 

[Sam91]

When Christ said follow me and he did so?

I am not someone who thinks that OSAS is right but I don't think he lost his salvation when he denied Christ out of fear. He was repentant immediately and learned from it. He didn't deny Christ when he was imprisoned.

EDIT
I just read the thread and before anyone points out that Christ hadn't been crucified yet, I know.

However, the plan had been there since the fall, possibly even before that. I do not believe in time being relevant. The more I pray and spend time with Him, I do not see how the temporal of this Earth means much. I can't explain it, I don't have words.

 

[W2L]

When the lord called peter satan, was He talking to peter or satan? When He called peter a rock, was he referring to Peter or the Holy Spirit?

 

[brinny]

When the lord called peter satan, was He talking to peter or satan? When He called peter a rock, was he referring to Peter or the Holy Spirit?

He was rebuking Satan, who was attempting to use his wiles against Jesus THROUGH Peter.

 

[W2L]

He was rebuking Satan, who was attempting to use his wiles against Jesus THROUGH Peter.

Thank you.

 

[brinny]

Thank you.

Yer welcome.

Regarding the second part of your question, He was speaking to Peter. He CHOSE Peter, and He knew Peter's heart, and knew that He would and could use Peter mightily.

I do need to study on and meditate on this more, however.

 

[mark kennedy]

He was/they were saved at Jesus Death/Burial/Resurrection.
He was/they were empowered in the Upper Room.

The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8), we were chosen in him from the foundation of the world (Eph.1:4). Problem solved, asking questions like this is not of faith (Rom. 10:6), Confessing Christ and him crucified is.

By the way, the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost, he was promised in the Upper Room.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When He called peter a rock, was he referring to Peter or the Holy Spirit?

To FAITH. (p.s. I think "pebble" is translation better)

 

[GTW27]

He was rebuking Satan, who was attempting to use his wiles against Jesus THROUGH Peter.

What you say is true, weather people want to believe this or not, but at Pentecost, Peter received Power from on High. Never again could satan be used through Peter, and never again could Peter deny The Lord. To be sealed, means, to be sealed until The Day of Redemption. So it is with all, who are truly born from above. In other words, game over satan, you have just lost another soul(Peter), and not only did you lose that soul, but because of it, your about to lose many more, hence "The rock" or little stone. And today, there are many little stones, with a new name written on each.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The 'higher' a person in 'title' or rank or position as a Christian, the more dangerous it is when hasatan used them. Everyone is subject to testing...... test everything, even if an angel of light appears and brings a message, verify by Scripture what they say .... even if an Apostle..... test it...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Peter was not saved by our definition when he denied Jesus. Nobody was born again until the Resurrection.

In the Old Testament time, those who Yahweh circumcised their hearts were His. They were 'saved' by faith, same as in the NT.

 

[Seadish]

I'm not sure when he was saved I'd have to do some study on that I do not for one second believe that he fell from grace ,I do believe it is possible though I don't love it but I do believe it I think? I would not want Him to say to me go away I never knew you

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Nobody in the Gospels was born again. That is our definition of being Gospel saved. They may have been saved under OT provisions. But not NT.