When was Peter saved?

[Southernscotty]

Hello guys, I am discussing with an individual right now over phone text
[He is on a plane] and he mentioned Peter losing his salvation after denying Jesus, So that brought me to ask him, When was Peter actually saved?
He was stating Peter received salvation only when he was ask a third time "do you love Me" while at the lake.
I of course have my opinions here, but what is yours?

When was Peter initially saved?

Did he in fact lose his initial salvation after denying Jesus?

If He did lose salvation, When did he get it back?

 

[rockytopva]

Was Peter saved to begin with? Remember, Christ was not yet crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. - Luke 22:31-32

 

[Southernscotty]

Was Peter saved to begin with? Remember, Christ was not yet crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. - Luke 22:31-32

He was the rock = Greek 'small pebble' and the church would be founded upon him and he also was given the keys to the kingdom to unlock the doors to the gentiles.
Something to think about and shows God's Omniscience

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Silly? discussion.

Peter was saved the same time I was , and Paul, and John....

we were crucified with Christ ..... as God's Word Says.

 

[Southernscotty]

Silly? discussion.

Peter was saved the same time I was , and Paul, and John....

we were crucified with Christ ..... as God's Word Says.

Silly? Then why are some people claiming he lost salvation and had to regain it again? You see what I am getting at Jeff? They use this as a method of saying you can lose salvation and it is a poor example

 

[Sabertooth]

He was/they were saved at Jesus Death/Burial/Resurrection.
He was/they were empowered in the Upper Room.

 

[paul1149]

In John 13 Jesus tells the disciples that they are already clean because of the word He spoke to them, and that he who is clean needs only his feet washed to be fully clean - symbolic of the daily grime of this world that we accumulate and needs to be removed regularly.

When Jesus defended Zacchaeus, who had climbed a tree to see Him, and who then gave half his goods away, He pronounced salvation over him.

These people, and others like them, including even the one thief on a cross, were saved in anticipation of the merit of the cross of Christ.

 

[com7fy8]

The Gospels say ones believed in Jesus before He died for us on the cross. And Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness . . . a while before Jesus died for us.

So, I see Peter gave in to sin, but the prayer of Jesus got Peter restored, but also with strength so he could strengthen his brethren.

Even so > Galatians 2:11-13 < even after Peter had ministered the Holy Spirit to Gentiles at the house of Cornelius, Peter betrayed the Gentile-background believers and mislead "even Barnabas" in Peter's hypocrisy; and we know how hypocrisy is one of the main evils which is most displeasing to Jesus.

But Paul was used to restore him and keep the church from going the wrong way with Peter.

So, major failures can happen even after someone has been filled with the Holy Spirit.

So, does this mean they lose their salvation? Hebrews 12:4-11 guarantees that every child of God gets our Heavenly Father's correction, I understand from this scripture.

And because of how God corrects us and perfects us in His love > 1 John 4:17 < "as He is, so are we in this world."

So, I would offer and encourage > if you fail - - - trust that Jesus has already prayed for you to get back with Him and then His prayer according to His faith will make you able to strengthen others. And feel for those, then, who now are failing >

"He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Silly? Then why are some people claiming he lost salvation and had to regain it again? You see what I am getting at Jeff? They use this as a method of saying you can lose salvation and it is a poor example

I think I agree with you, especially here. The point to be made
is like you post - those who are using Scripture or other sources to claim something that is not said in Scripture , rather is opposed to Scripture,
directly, are hurting themselves and others.

Whether anyone can lose their salvation is not related at all to any of the Scriptures or topics in this thread so far, as far as I saw.

Peter certainly did not lose his salvation.... that is SILLY to think....

 

[Dave L]

Peter was a born again Old Covenant Jew (saved) and began entering the New Covenant as Jesus spoke it into existence. He received the Holy Spirit baptism at Pentecost through the word spoken in tongues. The same as we receive the Holy Spirit baptism through hearing scripture.

 

[Sabertooth]

They use this as a method of saying you can lose salvation and it is a poor example

Eternal Security vs. Conditional Security is a whole 'nother

.

 

[Southernscotty]

Eternal Security vs. Conditional Security is a whole 'nother

.

Can you explain this? Because we are justified and sealed with the Holy Spirit at salvation. That is eternal security. Justification
So what is conditional security?

 

[johnabill]

Most of the gospels occurred during the old testament period, the new testament period beginning with the Pentecost. As such he was saved like other old testament saints were, by believing what God said. Yes he lived, for awhile, in the new testament period but was still an old testament saint.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Peter was not saved by our definition when he denied Jesus. Nobody was born again until the Resurrection. We were are raised up together with Him at that moment. The whole body of Christ, past, present, and future were raised up at that instant.
We can see that nobody was born again during the ministry of Jesus by a number of proof texts.
First there is the fact that Jesus called Peter satan.
"Get behind me satan..."
Peter was not yet saved or born again at that time.

Then in John 8 we see a prolonged conversation with those who John called believers. If the new birth was available at that time, they would have been born again. Yet we see Jesus tell these believers that they were children of the devil. Certainly not born again.

John 8

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them (those Jews which believed on him), Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them (those Jews which believed on him), If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye (those Jews which believed on him)are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus clearly calls these pre-Resurrection believers children of the devil both in identity and nature. They were not born again or saved by our definition...

Since he was not saved by our definition... he could not lose his salvation. Hence I cannot answer your poll.
The answer is he did not lose what he did not have.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[johnabill]

Most of the gospels occurred during the old testament period, the new testament period beginning with the Pentecost. As such he was saved like other old testament saints were, by believing what God said. Yes he lived, for awhile, in the new testament period but was still an old testament saint.

I should have said that I just registered and found the reging questions personal so I used impersonal answers to veil myself.

 

[~Zao~]

Peter had tasted the heavenly gift, had shared in the Holy Spirit, had tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then had fallen away by diverting from the pure Christian faith to once again embrace old traditional Judaic religion. But there was no need for Christ to be crucified anew for him because his repentance from such things sufficed, had already been made clean in the blood washing, needing only a washing of the feet/walk to renew.

 

[johnabill]

Abraham was saved as all OT saints were saved, including Peter

 

[Sabertooth]

Can you explain this?

Not while staying in "Deeper Fellowship." That dichotomy is at the root of so many agree-to-disagree threads at CF (like suicide, for example).

That debate is more appropriate at the Salvation (Soteriology) sub-forum and is, in fact, a mainstay there.

I am not sure that you or I can add anything new to that argument. That is what I meant by a

.

 

[brinny]

Peter was saved when he "believed" and left ev'ry thing to follow Jesus.

He never lost his salvation when he denied Jesus. He stumbled, as we all are prone to do, but his heart never un-attached from Jesus. He LOVED him, even with his stumbling self (by the way, Peter over there stumbling is "us").

Jesus knew Peter's "heart". He LOVED Him, still. What is pivotal here is that Peter didn't just run off after he sinned, he knew WHO to go to for grace, mercy, and forgiveness.

THAT is the "key".

It's not that we SIN, for we surely will, but it's what we do AFTER we sin that is "key" here.