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Featured When is lying not sinful?

Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by ByTheSpirit, Jul 13, 2017.

  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    No. It is called your lack of not understanding the difference between God's law at the time and the Pharisees traditions.


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  2. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    This is not the Pharisees tradition Jason...THIS IS THE LAW.
    Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    You don't understand Jeremiah 17:22 and what Jesus did.

    Did Jesus take up a load or burden out of somebody's home?
    No.

    Did Jesus do regular manual routine labor on the Sabbath?
    No.

    Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath like pulling up a neighbor's donkey out of a ditch, etc.
    The Sabbath was for ROUTINE normal every day laborous work!



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  4. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yep, you are not getting it.
    That's okay.
    You can justify the idea of breaking God's laws if that makes you feel better.
    Just please know that such thinking will not work out all to well for you in the end, my friend.

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  5. ToBeLoved

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    So I take it you are under that Law and not grace
     
  6. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    So, Jesus told someone to sin by taking up a burden?
     
  7. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    Lying to save someones life is not breaking God's Law. I am Loving my neighbor as I love myself. All of God's Law rest under two commandments. Love God, Love thy neighbor.
     
  8. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Sigh. Paul was talking about the Law of Moses and not all law.
    This is obvious if you were to read the context.
    Romans 3:1 says what profit is there in circumcision?
    Galatians 5:2 says if you seek to be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
    Circumcision was an Old Testament Command and not a New Testament Command.
    So when Paul says he is not under the Law, he is referring to the Old Law and not all law.

    Paul says if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

    James says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6).

    But seeing you are not under any law, I guess you do not have anything to worry about.


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  9. Bible Highlighter

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    Replace the word "lie" for another evil (when you say that).
    Put in the word "rape" or "murder" or "drunkenness."
    In other words, the ends do not justify the means.


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  10. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    Jesus breaking the Sabbath to heal is not breaking God's Law. He is loving His neighbor as he loves Himself. All of God's Law rest under two commandments. Love God, Love thy neighbor.
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Where in Scripture does it say that?
    No doubt you are misunderstanding what the text is saying again.


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  12. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    You are missing one word Jason....LOVE.
     
  13. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    Jesus did indeed tell the man to take up his bed on the Sabbath.

    Follow along Jason, you said it.
     
  14. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    The question of this thread is: When is lying not sinful?
    Apparently for some here, they think it is never sinful because they are not under any of God's laws as a part of our salvation. Apparently having a mental picture of the Savior is all one needs.

    But that that is clearly not moral or biblical in any way.


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  15. Bible Highlighter

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    Love.

    Loving your neighbor results in obeying the moral law according to Romans 13:8-10.
    Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
    He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love (1 John 4:8).


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  16. Bible Highlighter

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    In John 5:8, Jesus's command to the man to take up his mat and to walk was not a command to work. Walking and carrying things for non labor reasons is not a break of the Sabbath.
    We did not see Jesus telling him to collect mats all over town and nor did Jesus tell the man to set up shop selling things including his mat.
    You really do not understand the commands of the Sabbath in the Old Testament.
    Please show me in the OT where carrying something for non-laborous reasons is considered breaking the Sabbath.


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  17. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    And 1 John 2:4 says,
    "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."


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  19. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yes, when you believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ, it has to be the same Jesus described to us in the Bible. Otherwise you are believing on another Jesus. Jesus commanded us to do many things.
    He even said that if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15).


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  20. Dan61861

    Dan61861 7 days without God, makes one weak.

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    So, picking up manna off of the ground is labor intensive, but to carry a bed is not?

    Exodus 16:25
    And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.


    Exodus 16:26
    Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.


    Exodus 16:29
    See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
     
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