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Actually Jefferson or Franklin one said something to the effect of he who is willing to exchange freedom for temp. safety deserves neither freedom NOR safety.
 
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Yeah, unfortunately the bad guys feel no such restraint.
yes, that is why it is important for good guys to have guns, but it is also important for good guys to know when they may lawfully use them on other people.
 
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Kids get killed in car accidents far more than by gun violence, im assuming. How many deaths will it take till we ban cars?
 
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Kids get killed in car accidents far more than by gun violence, im assuming. How many deaths will it take till we ban cars?
and most of those cases involve human behavior just as gun violence does.
 
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If I believed that all it took to make people satisfied was a little tighter gun control and that would be the end of it, I'd be the first in line to submit to it. But that is a flat lie. We've got tighter gun control than there's ever been. The real agenda is to eliminate all guns from the public and anything less is an absolute lie.
 
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Yes, i agree.
That was meant to rebut people's claims that cars are not meant to kill, but neither thing kills ( in the vest majority of cases without some human force). In other words cars ONLY kill when used incorrectly and guns ( generally) only kill people if the person does SOMETHING. Very rarely does a gun fire itself.
 
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Either that or at the very least people misunderstanding the greater plan.
 
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Cool everyone who disagrees with you is a belligerent red neck. Now I know to stop talking to you.
 
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Actually Jefferson or Franklin one said something to the effect of he who is willing to exchange freedom for temp. safety deserves neither freedom NOR safety.

Sure. I wasn't suggesting we sacrifice freedom for the sake of safety. But I do, personally, value some things more than freedom - such as my faith.
 
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They probably would have hurt themselves. But that is for them to decide, not me or you.
 
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They probably would have hurt themselves. But that is for them to decide, not me or you.
and possibily the sheriff if it was a case of CCW.
 
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Cool everyone who disagrees with you is a belligerent red neck. Now I know to stop talking to you.

I actually said I don't think you are. I was hoping to help you see how others might perceive you. I guess it didn't work.
 
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homicide would also be the legal intervention.
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Legal intervention is law enforcement. However, I know they are off in one of their statements in regards to that. They say 500 killed by law enforcement but just last year over 1,000 people were killed by the police.
I thought that when police feel safe enough to not have guns to protect their families then the citizenry can feel safe to do the same.
 
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that is where gun safety classes/tests would come in

just as someone who can't pass driver's test, not allowed to drive
if person doesn't pass gun ownership test, no gun
So you would have people tested every year?
 
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