When in doubt, ask Einstein.

[The Bellman]

ONEGod:
What religious experience would that be ? And under the influence doesn't count.​

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ONEGod:
Unlike the deniers of God. eh ?​

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ONEGod:
And more importantly HE IS !​

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[ONEGod course you need FAITH to do that]​

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[ONEGod:Einstein spoke of miracles, where do they come from ?​

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ONEGod:
Soul, isn't that a Biblical/Godly Christian concept ? AND given by whom ? ? ?]​

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ONEGod:
The man sure loves to talk about God, eh ?​

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ONEGod:
Next thing ya know omniscient will creep into the conversation, eh ? Scarey eh ?​

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That miracle thing, Atheistic or Godly eh ?
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ONEGod:
How do you God deniers manage to sleep at night, eh ?​

Seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear. God spoke of them thousands of years ago. I just don't want any part of the due/just inheritance of such denial.​

You don't bother to read other people's posts, do you?

 

[ONEGod]

The Bellman:
Of course i did. but as i posted pertinent information and it wasn't much realized, i broke it down and explained it for easier digestion. Did you get it ?

 

[Mumbo]

ONEGod:
What religious experience would that be ? And under the influence doesn't count.​

A sense of awe and wonder at the universe in general, I suppose. God doesn't have a monopoly on that, you know.
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ONEGod:
Unlike the deniers of God. eh ?

I resent that

ONEGod:
And more importantly HE IS !

Metaphorically speaking

[ONEGod: course you need FAITH to do that]

I can imagine that God exists without having the slightest bit of faith that He actually does.

[ONEGod:Einstein spoke of miracles, where do they come from ?

That's called "exaggeration." I think you've heard of it.

ONEGod:
Soul, isn't that a Biblical/Godly Christian concept ? AND given by whom ? ? ?]

Taken out of context.

ONEGod:
The man sure loves to talk about God, eh ?

ONEGod:
Next thing ya know omniscient will creep into the conversation, eh ? Scarey eh ?​

Both taken out of context. Here's the sentence that leads into these two quotes:

I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation.

Kinda telling, huh?
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That miracle thing, Atheistic or Godly eh ?

I'd go with neither. No one ever said that Einstein wasn't religious, but he himself stated that he didn't believe in a personal God.
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ONEGod:
How do you God deniers manage to sleep at night, eh ?

Seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear. God spoke of them thousands of years ago. I just don't want any part of the due/just inheritance of such denial.​

God only ever seems to pull off explainable miracles. Call me if He regrows someone's arm.

 

[MarcusHill]

Calling something a "miracle" is a figure of speech for a lucky and fortuitous outcome. Using it doesn't make you any more of a believer than the millions of atheists who use the culturally ingrained "oh my god!" or "Jesus Christ!" as exclamations.

 

[Loudmouth]

ONEGod,

Putting words in Einstein's mouth is not helping your case, or your image here at CF. It is a dishonest practice. Let's go through these statements, shall we?

What religious experience would that be ? And under the influence doesn't count.​

Have you read anything I have quoted? Here it is again:​

"To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man."--Albert Einstein​

ONEGod:

Unlike the deniers of God. eh ?

You are the one being dishonest here.

ONEGod:

And more importantly HE IS !​

Einstein is not talking about your God. I have already covered that.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge..."
--Albert Einstein
[ONEGod course you need FAITH to do that]

To do what? I think you need faith to believe that your imaginings are real.

"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education"
--Albert Einstein

[ONEGod:Einstein spoke of miracles, where do they come from ?​

Now you have completely left the reservation. Einstein stridently opposed the idea that there was a supernatural deity who interfered in the natural world. In fact, Einstein even rejected the idea of free will.

"It is only to the individual that a soul is given."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
Soul, isn't that a Biblical/Godly Christian concept ? AND given by whom ? ? ?]​

Einstein believed that the soul and nature were one in the same. He accepted Spinoza's concept of God, not the Bible's. Again, when Einstein speaks about religion he is not talking about your religion.

"Morality is of the highest importance - but for us, not for God."
--Albert Einstein
ONEGod:

The man sure loves to talk about God, eh ?​

You sure like to talk about Einstein, eh?

Again, Einstein is not talking about your God.​

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
Next thing ya know omniscient will creep into the conversation, eh ? Scarey eh ?​

Einstein rejected the idea of omniscience. Why are you putting words in his mouth?

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
--Albert Einstein

That miracle thing, Atheistic or Godly eh ?​

No, rational or irrational.

ONEGod:

How do you God deniers manage to sleep at night, eh ?​

Peacefully.

Seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear. God spoke of them thousands of years ago. I just don't want any part of the due/just inheritance of such denial.

Jesus was explaining why he taught in parables. Given that creationists misunderstand the allegorical nature of Genesis, I would say that this statement is levelled at creationists.
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[Nathan Poe]

ONEGod,

Putting words in Einstein's mouth is not helping your case, or your image here at CF.

It's not as if his case or his image can be hurt any further.

 

[fiend007]

To answer this question once and for all we will reference the ultimate authority in religous untruths.... ANSWERS IN GENESIS!! seriously though, every now and then they actually put something up that is backed up with evidence...

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i1/einstein.asp

And to make it easy for you I've copied and pasted the relevent part of the article:

Einstein and 'God'

Albert Einstein was not a Christian. He had no concept of the God of the Bible or trust in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. His views on religion and 'God' were evolutionary and pantheistic.

He wrote, 'I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts.'22

'The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God. … The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events. … A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him … .'23

'During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution human fantasy created gods in man's own image. … The idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old concept of the gods. … In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God … .'24

Answering a Japanese scholar who asked him about 'scientific truth', Albert wrote, 'Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality or intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order. This firm belief, a belief bound up with deep feeling, in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God. In common parlance this may be described as "pantheistic" (Spinoza).'25

It is thus clear that when Albert mentioned 'God', e.g. 'God does not play dice with the universe', and 'The Lord God is subtle, but malicious he is not',26 he was referring to something like rationality in the universe. He is recorded as saying that a 'deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God'.27 However, he certainly was not referring to anything like the God of the Bible, who is Creator, Lawgiver, Judge and Saviour.

Addressing Princeton Theological Seminary on May 19, 1939, Albert said, '[A] conflict arises when a religious community insists on the absolute truthfulness of all statements recorded in the Bible.'25,28

Christian apologist Dr Hugh Ross claims that, despite not believing in the biblical God, 'Einstein held unswervingly, against enormous peer pressure, to belief in a Creator.'29 However, in the normal meaning of these terms, Einstein believed no such thing (see aside below on starlight and time). Thus, Christians who inappropriately invoke Einstein in their preaching, writing or witnessing do so to the detriment of their cause.

last line bolded by me for emphasis

 

[ONEGod]

Isn't it amazing how often Einstein refered to God and His Creation and even spoke on personal terms and yet Einstein supposedly psychobabblist (my term). As for the image i have here, i'm not interested in being a whited Sepulchre though many posturers are. Einstein said what he said and denials don't change what he said. Obsess on that a while.

Nathan Poe:
It's not as if his case or his image can be hurt any further.

ONEGod:
As long as i don't have your image (God forbid), Nathan, i'm not much worried.

 

[Chalnoth]

It is you who seem to be in denial about what he said, when he explained what he meant by the word.

 

[The Bellman]

The Bellman:
Of course i did. but as i posted pertinent information and it wasn't much realized, i broke it down and explained it for easier digestion. Did you get it ?

I doubt that you did. You appear to have completely ignored the facts that have been pointed out many times - namely, that Einstein did not believe in a personal god, and viewed such belief as childish. He did not believe in a god anything like yours.

 

[Elduran]

Isn't it amazing how often Einstein refered to God and His Creation and even spoke on personal terms and yet Einstein supposedly psychobabblist (my term). As for the image i have here, i'm not interested in being a whited Sepulchre though many posturers are. Einstein said what he said and denials don't change what he said. Obsess on that a while.

Nathan Poe:
It's not as if his case or his image can be hurt any further.

ONEGod:
As long as i don't have your image (God forbid), Nathan, i'm not much worried.

Amazing... Even after seeing the various quotes where Einstein directly stated that he DIDN'T believe in a personal god, you're still going to act like he did...

Now there's some dishonesty right there!

 

[Loudmouth]

Isn't it amazing how often Einstein refered to God and His Creation and even spoke on personal terms and yet Einstein supposedly psychobabblist (my term).

It's amazing how often you ignore Einstein's own words. In Einstein's view, God is the Creation. Einstein abhorred the idea of a God who interfered in Nature with miracles. Einstein abhorred the idea of a personal God. How many times must we point this out?

Einstein said what he said and denials don't change what he said. Obsess on that a while.

Black pot meet black kettle.

 

[KCDAD]

I can't believe you are arguing over some dead guy with his brain cut up in 300 pieces...

...of course Einstein believed in God. Arguing that he didn't is just ignorant. He didn't believe in YOUR concept God or MY concept of God necessarily... but it is clear from his writings that there was more to existence and the universe then what we could understand. There were things that were beyond mere understanding, that were "sacred".

BTW... you do know "God" is not a name... but a title or a description, right? There is not some guy floating in space named God that everyone is talking about when they say that word.

 

[FishFace]

I can't believe you are arguing over some dead guy with his brain cut up in 300 pieces...

...of course Einstein believed in God. Arguing that he didn't is just ignorant. He didn't believe in YOUR concept God or MY concept of God necessarily... but it is clear from his writings that there was more to existence and the universe then what we could understand. There were things that were beyond mere understanding, that were "sacred".

Is that so. To say, "God," when really you mean, "The Universe" is somewhat misleading, don't you think?

BTW... you do know "God" is not a name...

I guess you've never heard the words, "Dear God..." Or are you suggesting that a prayer headed as such is said on the same terms as a letter headed, "Dear Sir..."

 

[KCDAD]

Is that so. To say, "God," when really you mean, "The Universe" is somewhat misleading, don't you think?



I guess you've never heard the words, "Dear God..." Or are you suggesting that a prayer headed as such is said on the same terms as a letter headed, "Dear Sir..."

Of course it is... what kind of reverence or respect would it show to call The President: George? It is Mr President,... The Hebrew tradition is NEVER to say the name of God (the sacred tetragammaton) so they referred to the creator as YHWH, or Elohim, or Adonai or El Shaddai. When Moses asked what name shall I say sent me, God responds... I AM... roughly translated "existence or being"....life itself.

I did not equate God with Universe. I don't think Einstein did either. He is pretty clear that he thinks there is something beyond the universe...