When in doubt, ask Einstein.

[ONEGod]

God is the great Spirit/Creator that created all things and many acknowledge Him and worship Him.

The universe(s) we live in are His handiwork, and many search for knowledge by studying the hanidwork of God, called science.

Science and God are not exclusive of each other except for those that put blinders on and adamantly insist such tunnel vision makes it so.
If you read the quotes of Einstein i gave, many of them are personally refering to God, so the denials don't fit Einsteins words. As Einstein grew and learned, of a certainly his wisdom and knowledge changed on many subjects. His opinion at the end of his life would indiocate much. His contradicting himself from when he was young to when he was old is to be expected.

 

[dlamberth]

God is the great Spirit/Creator that created all things and many acknowledge Him and worship Him.

The universe(s) we live in are His handiwork, and many search for knowledge by studying the hanidwork of God, called science.

Science and God are not exclusive of each other except for those that put blinders on and adamantly insist such tunnel vision makes it so.
If you read the quotes of Einstein i gave, many of them are personally refering to God, so the denials don't fit Einsteins words. As Einstein grew and learned, of a certainly his wisdom and knowledge changed on many subjects. His opinion at the end of his life would indiocate much. His contradicting himself from when he was young to when he was old is to be expected.

A definition of Mysticm that I like a lot goes like this: Mysticism is that place where to apposing dichotomies merge and become One. Einstein was able to work in that place where he could see where Science and God became One. Most aren't able to..or don't seem to want to look at that.


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[Chalnoth]

God is the great Spirit/Creator that created all things and many acknowledge Him and worship Him.

The universe(s) we live in are His handiwork, and many search for knowledge by studying the hanidwork of God, called science.

Science and God are not exclusive of each other except for those that put blinders on and adamantly insist such tunnel vision makes it so.
If you read the quotes of Einstein i gave, many of them are personally refering to God, so the denials don't fit Einsteins words. As Einstein grew and learned, of a certainly his wisdom and knowledge changed on many subjects. His opinion at the end of his life would indiocate much. His contradicting himself from when he was young to when he was old is to be expected.

Well, the thing is, our brains do get old. We aren't as lucid in old age as we are when we are younger. The golden years are around the age from 20-30 (this is when most scientists make their breakthrough discoveries). Granted, in old age, our increased experience often offsets our degrading brains, but not always. In any case, you cannot use old age as a reason to expect that a person is more correct than they were when they were younger.

But your own fallacies aside, do you have any evidence that this was at all the case with Einstein?

 

[dlamberth]

If everyone used Einstein's definition of religion then even atheists have religious experiences. What Einstein is often talking about when he speaks of "religion" is inspiration, the drive that fuels our search for understanding how nature works.

In his mind, Einstein would follow electrons to see how they would travel and behave based upon the mathematical models he would be working on. Yes, inspiration was there for Einstein, but so were the inner experience of something greater, the forces of life itself. That's the stuff he was working on. As he worked, putting the pieces together, I have no doubt that Einstein had more than his share of religious experiences.

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[Chalnoth]

In his mind, Einstein would follow electrons to see how they would travel and behave based upon the mathematical models he would be working on. Yes, inspiration was there for Einstein, but so were the inner experience of something greater, the forces of life itself. That's the stuff he was working on. As he worked, putting the pieces together, I have no doubt that Einstein had more than his share of religious experiences.

I don't see what visualizing the path of an electron has to do with having a religious experience.

 

[dlamberth]

I don't see what visualizing the path of an electron has to do with having a religious experience.

It has to do with the experience of realization and awakening Einstein might have experienced as he watched electrons travel based upon his mathematical models.

Maybe we need to explore what "religious experiences" are in order to better understand why someone like Einstein might make religious comments.

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[Loudmouth]

God is the great Spirit/Creator that created all things and many acknowledge Him and worship Him.

The universe(s) we live in are His handiwork, and many search for knowledge by studying the hanidwork of God, called science.

Science and God are not exclusive of each other except for those that put blinders on and adamantly insist such tunnel vision makes it so.

Then please show us how to insert the actions of God into a scientific theory. Show us one theory that does just that and is used by a majority of scientists. Until you can show us how to include God in scientific experiments this is nothing more than preaching.

If you read the quotes of Einstein i gave, many of them are personally refering to God, so the denials don't fit Einsteins words.

They are referring to Einstein's view of God, not a personal God. He outright denies the existence of a personal God.

As Einstein grew and learned, of a certainly his wisdom and knowledge changed on many subjects. His opinion at the end of his life would indiocate much. His contradicting himself from when he was young to when he was old is to be expected.

Quite the opposite actually. You might want to read this Time article. In the article Einstein says that a belief in God is superstition (at the age of 50, nonetheless). Albert Einstein started life as a devout Jew, despite his parents being secular. When he was introduced to science at the age of 12 he left organized religion and stopped believing in a personal God. So it was the wisdom of age that led him to a disbelief in God. Here are a few quotes from the article:

"Through the reading of popular scientific books, I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of free thinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression."--Albert Einstein

"To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man."--Albert Einstein

"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos." --Albert Einstein

"The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God."--Albert Einstein

 

[Chalnoth]

It has to do with the experience of realization and awakening Einstein might have experienced as he watched electrons travel based upon his mathematical models.

Maybe we need to explore what "religious experiences" are in order to better understand why someone like Einstein might make religious comments.

Well, if you're looking for a transcendental experience, you can find one in many places. I don't quite see what you think is all that interesting here. Scientists, almost invariably, love their work. They get involved in topics that are most interesting to them, and are frequently amazed by the universe as they investigate it. These sorts of feelings are things that all scientists share, and it could easily be compared to religious feelings. But I wouldn't, because science doesn't rely upon the unevidenced beliefs that religion does. Science is a different beast entirely, even if it can lead one to the same sort of sense of wonder.

 

[Loudmouth]

In his mind, Einstein would follow electrons to see how they would travel and behave based upon the mathematical models he would be working on. Yes, inspiration was there for Einstein, but so were the inner experience of something greater, the forces of life itself. That's the stuff he was working on. As he worked, putting the pieces together, I have no doubt that Einstein had more than his share of religious experiences.

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Most of us who are really interested in science would probably feel a sense of religious epiphany if we discovered what Einstein discovered. Imagine if you were the one to figure out what was wrong with Newton's Laws? Imagine if you were the first one to discover that light acts as a particle? For a brief moment in time he knew things about the very structure of nature that no one else knew. That would be a very powerful experience indeed.

 

[ONEGod]

There are plenty of guotes to justify opinions on both sides of the issue, from Einstein, the problem then is all one side and only that is not totally supported despite those that swear it is so. Those that swear it can only be one side of the issue of God wear blinders.

 

[dlamberth]

Well, if you're looking for a transcendental experience, you can find one in many places. I don't quite see what you think is all that interesting here. Scientists, almost invariably, love their work. They get involved in topics that are most interesting to them, and are frequently amazed by the universe as they investigate it. These sorts of feelings are things that all scientists share, and it could easily be compared to religious feelings. But I wouldn't, because science doesn't rely upon the unevidenced beliefs that religion does. Science is a different beast entirely, even if it can lead one to the same sort of sense of wonder.

In your quote above, at every place that you typed "feelings", replace that word with the word "experience". I think that it would be closer to what I'm talking about.

Your exactly right. That sense of wonder, even from science, is a wonderful experience. Sometimes with in that religious experience can cause us to go away with a bit of wisdom we didn't have before. We learn. So something about those moments can stay with a person for a long time. Those experiences clearly effected Einstein in some manor. We can see it in his religious references. The way I see it is that with in the mind of Einstein was both Science and Religion. Einstein brought together and lived with the awareness of both Science and the religious experience that science brought him to. It’s pretty cool stuff.

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[dlamberth]

There are plenty of guotes to justify opinions on both sides of the issue, from Einstein, the problem then is all one side and only that is not totally supported despite those that swear it is so. Those that swear it can only be one side of the issue of God wear blinders.

What do you mean?

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[Chalnoth]

In your quote above, at every place that you typed "feelings", replace that word with the word "experience". I think that it would be closer to what I'm talking about.

Your exactly right. That sense of wonder, even from science, is a wonderful experience. Sometimes with in that religious experience can cause us to go away with a bit of wisdom we didn't have before. We learn. So something about those moments can stay with a person for a long time. Those experiences clearly effected Einstein in some manor. We can see it in his religious references. The way I see it is that with in the mind of Einstein was both Science and Religion. Einstein brought together and lived with the awareness of both Science and the religious experience that science brought him to. It’s pretty cool stuff.

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I still don't see anything remarkable or surprising here. Science is amazing. The sense of wonder that can come from understanding science can feel much the same as an uplifting religious experience. I think that in this way, science can be compared to religion as being capable of providing certain facets of emotional fulfillment. But I don't see any reason to consider it special that somebody point out this similarity.

 

[Chalnoth]

There are plenty of guotes to justify opinions on both sides of the issue, from Einstein, the problem then is all one side and only that is not totally supported despite those that swear it is so. Those that swear it can only be one side of the issue of God wear blinders.

Hardly. Find one where he professes belief in a personal God.

 

[dlamberth]

I still don't see anything remarkable or surprising here. Science is amazing. The sense of wonder that can come from understanding science can feel much the same as an uplifting religious experience.

Because it is a religious experience. And Einstein seems to have appreciated the importance of it.

I think that in this way, science can be compared to religion as being capable of providing certain facets of emotional fulfillment. But I don't see any reason to consider it special that somebody point out this similarity.

Einstein seems to have thought enough about it that it caused him to make the comment quoted in the OP.

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[The Bellman]

There are plenty of guotes to justify opinions on both sides of the issue, from Einstein, the problem then is all one side and only that is not totally supported despite those that swear it is so. Those that swear it can only be one side of the issue of God wear blinders.

There are no quotes to support any side that claims Einstein believed in any sort of personal god - for example, the god of christianity. He specifically said he never believed in such a god and in fact held that such beliefs are childish.

 

[Loudmouth]

There are plenty of guotes to justify opinions on both sides of the issue,

No, there isn't.

the problem then is all one side and only that is not totally supported despite those that swear it is so. Those that swear it can only be one side of the issue of God wear blinders.

The problem is that when Einstein mentions God you automatically think he is talking about your God. He isn't. Get over it.

 

[dlamberth]

The problem is that when Einstein mentions God you automatically think he is talking about your God. He isn't. Get over it.

Did Einstein mention God, Christian or otherwise? I don't believe he did.

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[Loudmouth]

Did Einstein mention God, Christian or otherwise? I don't believe he did.

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Einstein mentioned God all of the time. The most famous quote is probably "God doesn't play dice." Or:

"Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order. The firm belief, which is bound up with deep feeling, in a superior mind revealing himself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God, which may, therefore be described in common parlance as `pantheistic' (Spinoza). "--source

 

[ONEGod]

"I assert that the cosmic religious experience is the strongest and the noblest driving force behind scientific research."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
What religious experience would that be ? And under the influence doesn't count.​

"God is clever, but not dishonest."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
Unlike the deniers of God. eh ?​

"God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
And more importantly HE IS !​

"Imagination is more important than knowledge..."
--Albert Einstein

[ONEGod course you need FAITH to do that]​

"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education"
--Albert Einstein

[ONEGod:Einstein spoke of miracles, where do they come from ?​

"It is only to the individual that a soul is given."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
Soul, isn't that a Biblical/Godly Christian concept ? AND given by whom ? ? ?]​

"Morality is of the highest importance - but for us, not for God."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
The man sure loves to talk about God, eh ?​

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
--Albert Einstein

ONEGod:
Next thing ya know omniscient will creep into the conversation, eh ? Scarey eh ?​

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
--Albert Einstein

That miracle thing, Atheistic or Godly eh ?

miracle:
1.an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2.such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

ONEGod:
How do you God deniers manage to sleep at night, eh ?​

Seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear. God spoke of them thousands of years ago. I just don't want any part of the due/just inheritance of such denial.​