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good4u said:No, you are in error. It is NOT the 7th trumpet -- that is during the Day of the Lord and believers are already GONE from earth. You misinterpret Scripture, as so many on this board do.
When are believers raptured? When the sun is darkened and the moon turns red as if it were blood...read what Jesus says in Matthew 24...He should know, don't you think?
wanna explain your problem
flaming...
A Brother In Christ said:Rapture is pretrib .. Matt 24:36 if post trib every one knows the day and hour
A Brother In Christ said:Matt 24:29 happens after the tribulation
during this time in Matt. the church is a mystery still 1 cor 15:51-54
reason for no moon or sun is in 2 peter 3:10-13
A Brother In Christ said:what are you talking about...deal with the verses
good4u said:Well, if those who are post-tribbers (are you one?) care to tell me the day and hour? I'm certainly interested.
Jebediah said:At this point our opinions diverge. I do not see anything about God telling me to hope anything in Rev. 7, nor in Matt 24.
Also, I am saved. No thought is going to damn me now. Moses and Abraham both argued with God, made their points, and God acceded. What we have is a relationship, first and foremost. It lives, grows, breathes and moves, and relationships are dynamic. Chuck Missler, an amazing teacher of scripture, calls it a "governing dynamic", a great way of putting it.
I am also reasonably sure that Christ sees my heart for what it is, understands why I feel a deeply personal need to serve as I do, and would never find fault with me for wanting to help people more than I want to be safe and sound.
Thirdly and finally: I do not serve God or Christ because of a promise of reward. That's nice and all, but even if the situation was somehow reversed, that serving the Lord was punished eternally instead of rewarded...I would still do it. I serve Him because He is God, He is Lord. The reward is a perk. Heaven is a perk. Serving God is what it is all about.
God bless!
i have some disagreement with what you've said. i write this out to show where i get my position. i'm not intending to appear to know more than anyone else.ForeverSaved said:According to Rev. 3.10, only those Christians who keep the word of His patience will be raptured before the Tribulation.
"Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Rev. 3.10).
When do we see the rapture? Before the trumpets start in Revelation 8.
"...stood before the throne" (Rev. 7.9).
This is a vision of the raptured ones from which they first commence to enter into 3rd heaven before the trumpets of the Tribulation.
here is another assumption. i do not see the words "left" and "taken away" necessarily mean "rapture".When are the Christians who are "left" (Matt. 24.40-41) to be raptured?
i also believe that its a presumption to think that "the last trump" is the same as "the 7th trumpet" of revelation."...at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible..." (1 Cor. 15.52).
Do you see the picture of trumpets from the first rapture to the rapture at the 7th trumpet?
Lord may others see this truth also and stop arguing with each other. There ought to be noone here who will argue with this truth, so before posting please humble yourselves by the grace of God before.
Only seven years during jacob trouble...good4u said:Well, if those who are post-tribbers (are you one?) care to tell me the day and hour? I'm certainly interested.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shakenMaybe you care to explain exactly what your point is from every verse. I will not read your scriptural tea leaves.
Do you know what flaming is? Read the forum rules. You were very close to breaking it.
I will deal with verses when you give me something to talk about.
Yes, I understand I think, and I thought most everyone understood that .[at least that is what my Sunday School teacher told us]. She told us we are in Jesus, and He will always protect us no matter what. If Jesus could go through what He did, I would be glad to suffer for His Blessed Name. AMEN!!!!!exodus19 said:pre trib post trib what did jesus say ?
remember or did you forget read Luke 21:10 forward and see who things unfold and when you get to verses 22, 23 , these are the ones confirming the 7th trump..they happen and the confirmation takes place at the judgement of the harlot and the beast,
and the marriage is supper is a great party,
and then you have the following as the promise of God being filled
but not the latter verses that jesus warns take head that your hearts be not surcharged with surfeiting, ie lust of the flesh and you continue to be overcome by the lust of material life.
this is precisely what happens at the throne judgement where there are tens of thousands as confirmed in rev ch 5 ,
That is the week of the throne and many will come and be turned back into their ways of sin lfe, as it says so shall it be.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT REV CH 5 THROUGH 22 IS THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT, IT 'S ALL IN ONE WEEK REVEALLED THOUGH THEIR ARE TIMES THAT ARE SPOKEN OF THAT PERTAIN TO THE EVENTS PRIOR TO AND POST THE WEEK?
HAVE YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS , IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION
ASK.
jeffweeder said:WHY ? what privalidge do you have over the early church? Paul wanted to go home to, but he was very much needed. How much more us, to this world.?
Izzy23 said:He will call me home in his due time. I am no more privileged then anyone else.But, that I am ready and packed, make no doubt about that. I believe that He will pick up his church before the tribulation.
WHY ? what privalidge do you have over the early church? Paul wanted to go home to, but he was very much needed. How much more us, to this world.?
Izzy23 said:He will call me home in his due time. I am no more privileged then anyone else.But, that I am ready and packed, make no doubt about that. I believe that He will pick up his church before the tribulation.
I got a question.BarbB said:Me, too!Ready and willing to fly outta here!
(Rotherham) 1 Thessalonians 3:4 For, even when we were with you, we told you beforehand--we are destined to suffer tribulation! even as it also came to pass, and ye know.
I got a question.
Who are these Believers in Christ "left behind" to go through the Great Trib [just before the Wraths of course]
Revelation 2:10 "Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw [some] of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
"Beheading" is an interesting word, as it is a completely different greek word than the one used for JTB in the NT. In fact, it comes from the same root word as the word "plagues/Stripes" in revelation.BarbB said:Well, I think the believers/martyrs in the tribulation are those who have been "left behind", not that I thought the books were anything but great fun! The 144,000 are Jewish who will be preaching to the Jews about the Messiah, whom they will finally recognize as Jesus. As firstfruits, would they be 1/10th of the final number? The ones who come out of the great tribulation are those who are converted during the tribulation - the anti-Christ doesn't get everything his own way, right?
Did you catch the part about it being heads of the martyrs under the altar? Eerie considering the penchant for the Islamic jihadists to behead hostages with a knife.
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