When does the resurrection of the dead take place?

[YSam44]

I suspect, but only suspect, that you are misreading the word "spiritual" as it is used in 1 Corinthians 15. Here is my position on this:

1. The term "spiritual" as used in 1 Cor 15 cannot simply be assumed to denote non-physicality.

2. To be fair to you and many others, the term "spiritual" does indeed imply non-physicality in our western 21st century world.

3. However, given that we know Christ's resurrection body was a physical object - He had arms, legs, mouth, etc. - and given that 1 Cor 15 tells us we will have bodies like Christ, we can know with high confidence that we will indeed be given physical resurrection bodies. Of course, these will be unlike our present fallen and decay-prone bodies, but they will be physical bodies nonetheless.

4. Therefore, when Paul says we get "spiritual" bodies, he is not saying they won't be physical.

5. It is absolutely critical to not assume that "spiritual" bodies are not physical - we need to interpret the term as it was used by Paul in first century Palestine, not as it used today (see point 2).

Okay lets separate this....

God is a spirit being... He has arms legs, eyes, nose etc....
We are human beings... we have arms legs, eyes, nose etc...
God is of the God kind, we are of the human kind... We are fashioned after our creator but we are not of the God kind...We have the potential of being born into the Kingdom of God...if we do then we will be the God kind (check it out born again) and not (no longer) of the human kind...

You have the
God kingdom
Angelic kingdom
human kingdom
plant kingdom
animal kingdom...

you get it now? God said "Let us make man after our image and our likeness" Thats were we get our form and looks from...God begets us like a mother begetting a child which at its smallest form is an embryo... It has to be born...we can be born again into the kingdom of God... those that are will be literal sons of god and share the same glory...rom 8.19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Look more than one son....Christ will be our big brother...Christ said that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit... He even knew the difference in the bodies... So nooooo we don't need another physical flesh and blood body...

 

[YSam44]

Christ specifically pointed out that you could touch him for a reason. There is a reason His body was gone from the grave! It is a spiritual glorified body, a transformed body, but the same body. We will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye. Otherwise, it could be said that Christ hasn't fully conquered death.

It was considered a heresy in the early church to believe that it was a spirit body, not physical. These are the disciples of the disciples. Doesn't their interpretation have any value?

Okay lets separate this....

God is a spirit being... He has arms legs, eyes, nose etc....
We are human beings... we have arms legs, eyes, nose etc...
God is of the God kind, we are of the human kind... We are fashioned after our creator but we are not of the God kind...We have the potential of being born into the Kingdom of God...if we do then we will be the God kind (check it out born again) and not (no longer) of the human kind...

You have the
God kingdom
Angelic kingdom
human kingdom
plant kingdom
animal kingdom...

you get it now? God said "Let us make man after our image and our likeness" Thats were we get our form and looks from...God begets us like a mother begetting a child which at its smallest form is an embryo... It has to be born...we can be born again into the kingdom of God... those that are will be literal sons of god and share the same glory...rom 8.19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Look more than one son....Christ will be our big brother...Christ said that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit... He even knew the difference in the bodies... So nooooo we don't need another physical flesh and blood body...

 

[YSam44]

So the last two post go right back to what we have been talking about... God is the giver of Life... He alone (well Christ) will give eternal life to whom he chooses... We do not posses eternal life... it is a gift from God Rom 6.23... So thats why the dead know nothing and that all that they do is forgotten... David said, who can worship you O God from the grave. Ps 30.9 Yes even David knew... But David also knew that one day he will be resurrected and by like God...

So the finality of it all is that the dead are just that dead...until the resurrection...thats what God says, look it up

 

[YSam44]

Really, Christ died!!! three days and three night he laid in the grave before being resurrected to eternal life... As in Adam all die once... Yes, even Christ! He died!

The memory of them is forgotten...you will have no consciousness in the grave where you are going... sorry the bible says so... but dont worry... you will be resurrected... if in the first resurrection you will have a spiritual body...you know one that is incorruptible... if the second then you will be back in your physical body...(you know the one with aches and pains)...

Whats really funny is the David is buried and with us today (acts 2)... A man after Gods own heart...sits in the grave awaiting a resurrection... awaiting a time when he will put on immortality, incorruption...he will put on glory...put on perfection.... O death where is thy sting...aaaa ha!

The other patriarchs....Abraham, Sarah, Enoch, Elijah, on and on and on... none of them received the promise... Heb 11.39-40 remember they without us are not to be made perfect...they without the future saints will so on that glory at the same time...

When? At the sound of a trumph...See 1 Cor 15

ps... dont worry the worms dont hurt

 

[expos4ever]

Okay lets separate this....
....He even knew the difference in the bodies... So nooooo we don't need another physical flesh and blood body...

I found your reply difficult to follow at some points. I am not sure that I agree that God has a "physical body". But I think that you simply assume that "spiritual" means "non-physical" and that "flesh" means "physical" (Biblically, this is not the case for most of Paul's uses of the term "flesh") when you post this:

Christ said that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit... He even knew the difference in the bodies... So nooooo we don't need another physical flesh and blood body...

Let me ask a very simple question: do you believe that we will get resurrection bodies - "objects" with a face, a head, arms, legs, etc.

If you don't, I cannot see how you are respecting what the Bible clearly asserts (in my view).

It's really very simple:

1. Jesus' resurrection body was a body - a physical object. Granted, it was a different kind of "stuff", but it is indisputably a physical object in the world;

2. We are promised a resurrection body like Jesus (1 Cor 15);

3. Therefore, the final and permanent state of the "saved" is to have a body (arms, legs, mouth, knees, hair - the whole shebang).

 

[expos4ever]

So the finality of it all is that the dead are just that dead...until the resurrection...thats what God says, look it up

Well, I happen to agree with this, but I remain unclear whether you agree that saved humans end up with arms and legs (made of different "perfected" stuff than what we have now in this life).

 

[expos4ever]

but dont worry... you will be resurrected... if in the first resurrection you will have a spiritual body...you know one that is incorruptible...

Ok, very simple question here: will this "spiritual body" be an object in the world - a thing with a head, mouth, ears, legs, arms, etc. I think the Bible teaches that the answer is yes. Of course, it will indeed be incorruptible.

However, and this is key, a physical object can indeed be incorruptible.

After all, the resurrected Jesus has a body!!! - mouth, face, arms, and all the rest.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I found your reply difficult to follow at some points. I am not sure that I agree that God has a "physical body".

what's so hard to understand?

we are the physical representation of God, ergo, we have physical bodies.

God has a spiritual body!

1 Corinthians 15:44(NKJV)
44...There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

natural body = us.

spiritual body = God and His Christ!

remember that the angels are also composed of spirit but they were not created in the image of God!

 

[YSam44]

Christ prayed in John 17 O father give me back the glory that I had before the foundation of the world... Christ work was done here on earth and he was ready to return back to the father... The father would have to resurrect him from the grave... He would put back on that glory that he once had... He was the firstborn of many brethren... He paid the price for our sins...even the sins of Abraham...

Solomon said the whole duty of man was to keep Gods commandments and fear God... This is how we will be born into the kingdom of God... This is the full potential of mankind... that we can become full sons of God with the same glory and power...and be of the God kind.

 

[expos4ever]

what's so hard to understand?

I find your post hard to understand as well. I will ask you the very same, clear, simple question I asked the other guy (or gal):

Do you believe that the final state of the saved believer is in embodied form, having legs, arms, head, etc.?

You know, just like Jesus had. And just like Paul promises in 1 Cor 15.

 

[YSam44]

Ok, very simple question here: will this "spiritual body" be an object in the world - a thing with a head, mouth, ears, legs, arms, etc. I think the Bible teaches that the answer is yes. Of course, it will indeed be incorruptible.

However, and this is key, a physical object can indeed be incorruptible.

After all, the resurrected Jesus has a body!!! - mouth, face, arms, and all the rest.

Object, what you talkin about Willis? Are you talking about a teacup with arms and legs... maybe a saucer...wait i think that was in Beauty and the Beast movie....lol How about the same form and likeness as we are but spirit beings...

 

[ewq1938]

Anywho, it was a vision from God... Just as well as if a dream from God...

No, a dream is completely different than a vision in this case because a dream isn't real but a vision is.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I find your post hard to understand as well. I will ask you the very same, clear, simple question I asked the other guy (or gal):

Do you believe that the final state of the saved believer is in embodied form, having legs, arms, head, etc.?

You know, just like Jesus had. And just like Paul promises in 1 Cor 15.

it will be a body that looks like the one you have now (visually), but it will be composed of spirit instead of flesh and blood!

and the spirit body you will possess will be in glory meaning it will shine like God's, but of course to a lesser degree, (see 1cor 15:40-41!)

 

[YSam44]

I find your post hard to understand as well. I will ask you the very same, clear, simple question I asked the other guy (or gal):

Do you believe that the final state of the saved believer is in embodied form, having legs, arms, head, etc.?

You know, just like Jesus had. And just like Paul promises in 1 Cor 15.

Yea, I understand that...John rabbit speaks mandarin chinese....no one can understand him

 

[ewq1938]

maybe those in hell will be raised in cruder bodies. but crudeness of body does not get much worse than this flesh.

The saved dead resurrect into new bodies that are immortal. The unsaved dead are resurrected back into their old bodies.

 

[YSam44]

Well, I happen to agree with this, but I remain unclear whether you agree that saved humans end up with arms and legs (made of different "perfected" stuff than what we have now in this life).

We will be in the express image of God when we are resurrected...So just ask yourself... Does God have arms, legs, nose, eyes..etc... I think you will find that he does...

 

[expos4ever]

Object, what you talkin about Willis? Are you talking about a teacup with arms and legs... maybe a saucer...wait i think that was in Beauty and the Beast movie....lol How about the same form and likeness as we are but spirit beings...

Can you please try to clearly answer the question? - what you write above is almost incomprehensible.

It is a simple, direct question. Please give a simple, direct answer.

 

[YSam44]

No, a dream is completely different than a vision in this case because a dream isn't real but a vision is.

one happens while one is asleep and the other happens while one is awake... anywho the vision here was a vision of the future given to those disciples...from God one and the same

 

[expos4ever]

Sorry guys, I find your posts too much work to decode. No hard feelings.

 

[YSam44]

Sorry guys, I find your posts too much work to decode. No hard feelings.

see post 216 i did