When did humans first start to speak? How language evolved in Africa

[AV1611VET]

I'd think then that the Earth has way more authority than the Bible as it has absolutely direct connection to God, and signed off with His signature written by His own hand. The Earth tells a different creation story than the one the Bible tells. I think that authority given to the Earth needs to be listened to.

Do you hear the earth groaning that it can't wait until Christ's return?

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

[dzheremi]

So just what did God do to confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel?

This is a theological question, not a linguistic one.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So just what did God do to confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel?

A vowel shift?

 

[Ophiolite]

You know what they say about assumptions, right?

Yes. That's why I avoid them, preferring to make provisional* interpretations based upon careful examination of available evidence.

*Of course, all interpretations and conclusions are provisional, else you would wind up lying to yourself.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Do you think that King James is still alive, or is God?

Can I really just point out the brilliant irony in an American supporting a Bible endorsed by a British monarch? Because it's brilliant.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Can I really just point out the brilliant irony in an American supporting a Bible endorsed by a British monarch? Because it's brilliant.

The lack of patriotism is staggering.

I will say though, I did find all of the talk in church and in the bible about kings and lords a bit off putting to my American ears. I attributed it to the "old timey" nature of things. (After all the bible takes place long before the revolution.)

An odd thought comes to me... As I read more history I became more anti-monarchist in my political thought (taking my place on the left side of The Mountain as it were) and this does correspond to when I left religion. Did I find the notion of Christ as king bothering. Hmmmm. (New question, is Christianity then un-American? I'll have to check with HUAC.)

 

[Ligurian]

Don't be offput by Ligurian's posturing. I suspect, at heart, he is a well balanced individual with a chip on each shoulder.

You know what they say about assumptions, right?

Yes. That's why I avoid them, preferring to make provisional* interpretations [...]

Do you? Wasn't the conversation about you judging someone you've never even met?

That's the problem with people on forums... and it's why the forum rules here say to keep the discussion about the issue and don't slander the human being behind the avatar... people remember what they want to remember and see what they want to see.

If they marginalize the person they're talking to by making up character traits, they're trying to kill the message by killing the messenger. They're trying to say in effect that they've won the debate against someone with character flaws; when actually, they're the one who broke the rules of debate.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can I really just point out the brilliant irony in an American supporting a Bible endorsed by a British monarch? Because it's brilliant.

My favorite NT book is Galatians, called The Magna Carta of Christian Freedom.

 

[Ligurian]

Do you hear the earth groaning that it can't wait until Christ's return?

Romans 8:22 [...]

Nope.
But then this subforum isn't about that subject... so maybe I wasn't listening for it?

 

[Ligurian]

Can I really just point out the brilliant irony in an American supporting a Bible endorsed by a British monarch? Because it's brilliant.

Excellent point, well said.
But some say that America is still a British Colony.
And others say that America is being run by a DC Corporation.
In any case, American guns are being used to fight wars that are unconstitutional... as is the standing army, by the way.

 

[Ligurian]

The lack of patriotism is staggering.

I will say though, I did find all of the talk in church and in the bible about kings and lords a bit off putting to my American ears. I attributed it to the "old timey" nature of things. (After all the bible takes place long before the revolution.)

An odd thought comes to me... As I read more history I became more anti-monarchist in my political thought (taking my place on the left side of The Mountain as it were) and this does correspond to when I left religion. Did I find the notion of Christ as king bothering. Hmmmm. (New question, is Christianity then un-American? I'll have to check with HUAC.)

Can people who've had their ethnic identity stripped from them be patriotic? If so, to whom are they patriots? The man on stage or the man behind the curtain? Because Rome etc., went around burning up people's histories in order to make servants become theirs alone... it's all about power when that happens.

Are Americans loyal to one of the two men that the powers that be have tossed into the ring? Doubtful. Are they loyal to the theology of America, or rather, the ideology of America?

What would that ideology be, really? That we'll fight the wars that the powers that be tell us are "the good fight"? Isn't that what "Walking Liberty" commemorates? Did we forget that the "Liberty" statue was sent to us from the bloody revolutionaries of France that ordered the murder of her ruling class... so that money alone would become the new nobility?

A good monarch has the good of his own people at heart... his own ethnic race... his own flesh and blood. Not some alien who has something entirely different in mind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope.
But then this subforum isn't about that subject... so maybe I wasn't listening for it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Excellent point, well said.

Some think that the AV1560 Geneva Bible was God's choice for the Pilgrims.

But some say that America is still a British Colony.

Do some of the British say that as well?

And others say that America is being run by a DC Corporation.

The Justice League of America???

In any case, American guns are being used to fight wars that are unconstitutional... as is the standing army, by the way.

They should get their own armaments, shouldn't they?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I must say after reading this the first time, that I am not sure what your point is. I will try again and comment intertextually.

Can people who've had their ethnic identity stripped from them be patriotic? If so, to whom are they patriots? The man on stage or the man behind the curtain?

What does ethnic identity have to do with being a patriotic American (the clear reference to patriotism in my post)? I don't surrender my ethnic identity(s), nor do I need to do so to be a loyal and patriotic American. I see no reason anyone else should surrender their ethnic identities either.

Because Rome etc., went around burning up people's histories in order to make servants become theirs alone... it's all about power when that happens.

What Rome did 2000 years ago is not relevant.

Are Americans loyal to one of the two men that the powers that be have tossed into the ring? Doubtful. Are they loyal to the theology of America, or rather, the ideology of America?

????

I'm not for loyalty to a man or a small number of men. (Are you referring to presidents or presidential candidates? Your writing style is opaque.)

America doesn't have a "theology".

What would that ideology be, really?

Are you going to tell us? (Looking ahead, it would seem not.)

That we'll fight the wars that the powers that be tell us are "the good fight"? Isn't that what "Walking Liberty" commemorates? Did we forget that the "Liberty" statue was sent to us from the bloody revolutionaries of France that ordered the murder of her ruling class... so that money alone would become the new nobility?

The "Statue of Liberty" as it is commonly called was a gift from France during the Third Republic a government that formed in 1870 when the previous imperial government collapse during the war with Prussia. There were 3 generations, two empires, a monarchy and a whole additional republic between the worst of the Terrors and the gift of the statue.

A good monarch has the good of his own people at heart... his own ethnic race... his own flesh and blood. Not some alien who has something entirely different in mind.

I would posit that no monarchs are good.

 

[Astrid]

Can people who've had their ethnic identity stripped from them be patriotic? If so, to whom are they patriots? The man on stage or the man behind the curtain? Because Rome etc., went around burning up people's histories in order to make servants become theirs alone... it's all about power when that happens.

Are Americans loyal to one of the two men that the powers that be have tossed into the ring? Doubtful. Are they loyal to the theology of America, or rather, the ideology of America?

What would that ideology be, really? That we'll fight the wars that the powers that be tell us are "the good fight"? Isn't that what "Walking Liberty" commemorates? Did we forget that the "Liberty" statue was sent to us from the bloody revolutionaries of France that ordered the murder of her ruling class... so that money alone would become the new nobility?

A good monarch has the good of his own people at heart... his own ethnic race... his own flesh and blood. Not some alien who has something entirely different in mind.

Yep if I became a citizen of the
USA a good king would ignore me.
Because a awful atheist asian could
only be a bad person with bad ideas.
Good people fall in line with good king-thought
and kill aliens who think; no independent thought
or competing ideas allowed or hang from lamp post..

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep if I became a citizen of the USA a good king would ignore me.

No offense, but what reason would a king -- (good or bad) -- have to pay attention to you? or to me, for that matter?

With the exception, of course, of the King of Kings.

He wants us both.

Because a awful atheist Asian could only be a bad person with bad ideas.

Wouldn't an awful anyone be a "bad person with bad ideas"?

Good people fall in line with good king-thought and kill aliens who think; no independent thought or competing ideas allowed or hang from lamp post.

I hope you're being sarcastic here.

 

[Ophiolite]

Do you? Wasn't the conversation about you judging someone you've never even met?

I've made a judgement about Nelson Mandela (great admiration) and Vladimir Putin (profound disgust). I've never met either of them. Was I wrong to form these perceptions based upon their actions?

That's the problem with people on forums... and it's why the forum rules here say to keep the discussion about the issue and don't slander the human being behind the avatar... people remember what they want to remember and see what they want to see

Wait a minute. That looks like a judgement of "people on forums". Have you met them?

If they marginalize the person they're talking to by making up character traits, they're trying to kill the message by killing the messenger. They're trying to say in effect that they've won the debate against someone with character flaws; when actually, they're the one who broke the rules of debate

Just as well then, that I didn't "make up character traits", but inferred them from actions.
And your action was to posture. There was no message to kill. If you genuinely intended a message please feel to present it now, without the posturing. and I will accord it the respect of a fair reading.

 

[Ligurian]

What does ethnic identity have to do with being a patriotic American (the clear reference to patriotism in my post)? I don't surrender my ethnic identity(s), nor do I need to do so to be a loyal and patriotic American. I see no reason anyone else should surrender their ethnic identities either.

What Rome did 2000 years ago is not relevant.

And if they don't surrender their ethnic identities then they're called racists.

Patriotism:
2. Love of one's country; the passion which moves a person to serve his country, either in defending it from invasion or in protecting its rights and maintaining its laws and institutions.--American Heritage Dictionary

"We the people... ordain and establish the Constitution..."
That can't be about the man on the street, so it must have only applied to the authors.
Good Luck finding anyone who can and will protect the Constitution, these days.

What Rome did is still happening: Our past and current histories are written by our enemies.

 

[Ligurian]

Don't be offput by Ligurian's posturing. I suspect, at heart, he is a well balanced individual with a chip on each shoulder.

the forum rules here say to keep the discussion about the issue and don't slander the human being behind the avatar.

 

[Hans Blaster]

And if they don't surrender their ethnic identities then they're called racists.

What?