When all Confederate memorials are torn down, we'll be better off

[pat34lee]

evil traitors.
evil traitors
These are evil traitors
evil traitors.
evil traitor
enemy of the USA
Osama bin Laden

I think you have shamed yourself more than the statues.
If you don't care to learn history, please refrain from commenting on it.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

This is far from doing anything to eradicate racism. If anything, it
is fanning the flames, because it emboldens those making the
demands. Will the founders go next, or the veterans of WWI,
WWII, Korea or Vietnam?

Did the founders, veterans of WWI, WWI, Korea or Vietnam take up arms to fight against the United States of America? No. Do you know what that's called when it's done? It's called "treason" and the people doing it are "traitors". That alone is reason enough to remove those memorials that honor traitors against this country.

And yes it sends a message against racism as those memorials were specifically created after the Civil War by white people who wanted them to be symbols to blacks that they must still be considered and treated as inferiors. Can you give me an example of a similar memorial of a founding father or veterans created for that same reason? If so, go right ahead. (But I'm not holding my breath.)

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I think you have shamed yourself more than the statues.
If you don't care to learn history, please refrain from commenting on it.

I do know history. If you don't understand how confederates were evil traitors to the USA then you're the one who shames yourself by not knowing history. Seems you want to cast aspersions but give no explanations, and I don't blame you because you really don't have any rational explanation that you could possibly give. But you're not fooling me or anyone else.

 

[pat34lee]

most of these statues were put up during the Jim Crow era by segregationists long after the war had ended[/URL]. Are you honestly suggesting that these segregationists were putting up these monuments for reasons of history preservation "to make sure that we don't erase the history of the evils of slavery"?

No, it was the sons and grandsons (and daughters and granddaughters)
of those who served in the Civil War who wanted to pay respects to
the men who fought and died for their families and their states. Many
families lost everything including fathers, brothers and sons, and some
here blithely call them evil and enemies. That is evil and intolerance.

 

[pat34lee]

I do know history. If you don't understand how confederates were evil traitors to the USA then you're the one who shames yourself by not knowing history. Seems you want to cast aspersions but give no explanations, and I don't blame you because you really don't have any rational explanation that you could possibly give. But you're not fooling me or anyone else.

Keep digging, you're getting nowhere. You offend me, and that isn't easy to do.

 

[Go Braves]

Robert E Lee was opposed to Confederate monuments, on account of how he believed they kept open the sores of war. Sure seems like he was right about that.

 

[Go Braves]

No, it was the sons and grandsons (and daughters and granddaughters)
of those who served in the Civil War who wanted to pay respects to
the men who fought and died for their families and their states. Many
families lost everything including fathers, brothers and sons, and some
here blithely call them evil and enemies. That is evil and intolerance.

Well the descendants of Lee, Jackson & Davis have said they want the statues to come down.

 

[pat34lee]

Robert E Lee was opposed to Confederate monuments, on account of how he believed they kept open the sores of war. Sure seems like he was right about that.

Robert E. Lee was also a great soldier and a man of honor who
deserves better than the vile insults thrown by people like the
Armenian poster here.

 

[pat34lee]

Well the descendants of Lee, Jackson & Davis have said they want the statues to come down.

Great, now let's poll all descendants of past war heroes and see
which ones should come down.

Or count noses to see who's version of history we should remember
and teach to our children.

 

[Go Braves]

Great, now let's poll all descendants of past war heroes and see
which ones should come down.

Or count noses to see who's version of history we should remember
and teach to our children.

Pat, do me a favor please, and remind us all of who's statue the white supremacists were rallying against being removed in Charlottesville?

 

[Go Braves]

Robert E. Lee was also a great soldier and a man of honor who
deserves better than the vile insults thrown by people like the
Armenian poster here.

If that's what you believe, then you should have some respect for his opposition to Confederate statues that he felt kept open the wounds of war. Your posts are vile insults to the man you act like you revere, because they have no respect for what he wished.

Btw, is your problem with @ArmenianJohn what he wrote in his posts, or the Armenian part of his name?

 

[KCfromNC]

If you want to get rid of symbols of racism, I'd start with the Democratic party itself

Of course you would, what with you being an unbiased observer looking to objectively point out weaknesses on both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[KCfromNC]

Racisim will never be eradicated while human beings are in the current fallen state of being.

So why bother doing anything. Might as well spend all day on the couch eating Twinkies and watching soap operas of nothing matters.

 

[Rion]

You're another person who doesn't seem to understand the difference between honoring/glorifying people and remembering them from a historical/academic perspective. We can remember 9/11 without having to have a statue of Osama bin Laden put up at Ground Zero or putting up a shrine to Al Qaeda in front of the Pentagon.

the definition of hyperbole

 

[KCfromNC]

Righteous-(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.

A statue erected during the height of the KKK's influence is torn down in response to a KKK and Nazi rally where one of their members ran over a bunch of people who disagreed with their racism? Seems pretty understandable to me.

What isn't is why we have so many threads here about statues but so few about the harm the KKK and Nazi marchers caused to actual people.

 

[KCfromNC]

Pat, do me a favor please, and remind us all of who's statue the white supremacists were rallying against being removed in Charlottesville?

Don't forget their well thought out rationale for how the statues will be a monument for future generations to learn from the mistakes about the past. Something about racial purity and getting rid of all the blacks and Jews in the country, I believe. And if you believe their actions, killing people who dare to disagree.

 

[hislegacy]

Do you still have trouble understanding the difference

Obviously you had some trouble understanding my post.

 

[hislegacy]

Sixty-two percent of respondents to an NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist University poll conducted after the violence in Charlottesville said that statues honoring leaders of the Confederacy should remain standing as historical symbols rather than be removed. In a different poll, by Economist/YouGov, a plurality of people (48 percent) said they disapproved of removing the Robert E. Lee statue from the Charlottesville park while 30 percent approved of taking the statue down. Notably, more than one out of five people (22 percent) had no opinion — a show of real ambiguity from Americans who aren’t sure about the best thing to do.

 

[hislegacy]

Once again we are being subjected the beliefs of the alt left movement. Those who scream vulgarities, destroy property and get violent when they can not get their way.

The level of intolerance is increasing.

 

[Adstar]

Can you give me an example of someone - just one person - who thinks that pulling down a statue somehow "shames" the dead person depicted by the statue? Feel free to provide me with proof of that if you can (but somehow I think you can't).

The one person is you...

Quoted from your opening post::

"""""""I would rather see them brought down in the same way the Saddam Hussein statue or Hitler statue or Stalin statue was pulled down by the people, to shame those figures.""""""