What's your view on this video by a Jew!

[Godistruth1]

 

[1 John 4:1]

I think the way the trinity is sometimes presented I can see why people might view it as idolatry. I gave myself the benefit of the doubt when I joined this forum on the question "do you believe the trinity?" for qualifying as a true Christian. I think I do but the way it is explained sometimes can be confusing. I'm going to quote part of a previous post I made that I think God has one spirit and one essence. Let me know what you think of this: Does holy spirit know about the hour?

"I think in my understanding of the trinity they have the same spirit or essence yet Jesus had limiting factors of being in a human body so deferring to the father would make sense. I don't consider the trinity to be a very important theological concept to make sure you have right or to create division over."

"The trinity can be very confusing the way a lot of people present it. I think of it as you have ruach (spirit) and basar (flesh) and they come together in Hebrew thought to make a nephesh (soul). However, if you have the spirit dwelling in two different bodies or places then maybe one body would defer to the other body on certain things because of their different situations. This makes me wonder if Jesus also has a separate body from the father when he went back to heaven because it talks about him as a separate entity there as our high priest Hebrews 4:14-16. The holy spirit works in the world so essentially it uses the church body as it's body or maybe even nature itself sometimes. That's the best I can do at simply describing the trinity. Hope that helps and I didn't accidentally say something that other people would consider heretical."

 

[Barney2.0]

Trinity isn’t idolatry, infact we can find a triune God in the Torah you just have to look. Christians always believed Jesus was born of a virgin as Isiah perfectly says in clear words, unbelieving Jews like a Tovia Singer reject the prophecies of Jesus Christ out of arrogance not wise thinking. The Quran ultimately derives it’s stories from the Christian Gospels who ultimately derive them from the Old Testament.

 

[1 John 4:1]

"unbelieving Jews like a Tovia Singer reject the prophecies of Jesus Christ out of arrogance not wise thinking."

I don't think you can read minds . . . it's likely he's heard it presented the wrong way and that turned him away from it or that he has subconscious bias . . . like I'm sure we all have. It's also possible that we are the ones who are wrong I don't believe that but that's always a possibility (the disciples were blinded to the fact that Jesus had to die and resurrect until well after it happened, if they can be blinded to messiah I'm sure we can too)

 

[Tree of Life]

I’d rather listen to the Jew who rose from the dead.

 

[Barney2.0]

I don't think you can read minds . . . it's likely he's heard it presented the wrong way and that turned him away from it or that he has subconscious bias . . . like I'm sure we all have. It's also possible that we are the ones who are wrong I don't believe that but that's always a possibility (the disciples were blinded to the fact that Jesus had to die and resurrect until well after it happened, if they can be blinded to messiah I'm sure we can too)

Yes he is blind and arrogant to the truth like the Pharisees.

 

[Godistruth1]

Trinity isn’t idolatry, infact we can find a triune God in the Torah you just have to look. Christians always believed Jesus was born of a virgin as Isiah perfectly says in clear words, unbelieving Jews like a Tovia Singer reject the prophecies of Jesus Christ out of arrogance not wise thinking. The Quran ultimately derives it’s stories from the Christian Gospels who ultimately derive them from the Old Testament.

The reason Jews reject Jesus is because of Jesus being portrayed as equal to God when there is only one God. Also we must pray to One God alone not a man!

 

[1 John 4:1]

Am I invisible on here? No one seems interested in agreeing or disagreeing with me on my idea about the trinity.

 

[Barney2.0]

The reason Jews reject Jesus is because of Jesus being portrayed as equal to God when there is only one God. Also we must pray to One God alone not a man!

Then why did God come down to fight Jacob as a man?

 

[Godistruth1]

Then why did God come down to fight Jacob as a man?

Where?

 

[Barney2.0]

Where?

Genesis 32 BSB

 

[Godistruth1]

Genesis 32 BSB

Before I answer the question. I want to ask a question first! Do you accept verses of Bible as they are told. Or any possible explanation is a valid explanation?

 

[Barney2.0]

Before I answer the question. I want to ask a question first! Do you accept verses of Bible as they are told. Or any possible explanation is a valid explanation?

I accept an interpretation that makes sense with the text in context.

 

[Godistruth1]

I accept an interpretation that makes sense with the text in context.

So its possible to come up with our own justification because that can make sense eg I had asked question about multiple father's in Bible and you gave justification without proof from Bible. You made grandfather the father too and the forefathers as well!

 

[Inkfingers]

Jesus is both the lamb and the shepherd...

 

[Barney2.0]

So its possible to come up with our own justification because that can make sense eg I had asked question about multiple father's in Bible and you gave justification without proof from Bible. You made grandfather the father too and the forefathers as well!

No because the text makes it very clear that there’s a difference between fathers in the Bible if you look closely. If it’s my justification then there really can’t be a contradiction then, a contradiction can’t be solved in any logical way, if it is solvable then it’s no longer a contradiction.

 

[Godistruth1]

if it is solvable then it’s no longer a contradiction.

As per Christianity it can be solved for their own justification. You did it all the time. Bible says God is not a man, can do everything, knows everything, does not change his mind or his nature. Yet you say Jesus is fully God and fully man. I seriously don't know what language is this! As humans we have shortcomings and God has no shortcomings at all. How can someone know everything and not know something at the same time. How can someone be able to do everything and not be able to do everything at the same time. Bible clearly says God is not the author of confusion but Christianity is confusion! God has made it clear in Islam & Old testament the nature of God which is clear as crystal with no confusion but everything in Christianity is + and - at the same time.

 

[Barney2.0]

As per Christianity it can be solved for their own justification. You did it all the time. Bible says God is not a man, can do everything, knows everything, does not change his mind or his nature. Yet you say Jesus is fully God and fully man. I seriously don't know what language is this! As humans we have shortcomings and God has no shortcomings at all. How can someone know everything and not know something at the same time. How can someone be able to do everything and not be able to do everything at the same time. Bible clearly says God is not the author of confusion but Christianity is confusion! God has made it clear in Islam & Old testament the nature of God which is clear as crystal with no confusion but everything in Christianity is + and - at the same time.

Yes God I’m his divine nature is not a man, that is the doctrine of Hypostatic union which means God has two separate natures within him. You a while ago rejected the Old Testament, you pretend to court Jews here yet spit venom at them in private as you Muslims always do or should I show everyone your post on Jews in our private conversation. We’re not saying God can do everything and not do everything at the same time, we believe God can do everything he can even forsake his own strength and glory and become humble something your proud and arrogant god can’t even do. As he is somehow glued to his throne. Christianity is not only + and only - at the same time rather it’s both + and - existing in Union with each other.

 

[Godistruth1]

Yes God I’m his divine nature is not a man, that is the doctrine of Hypostatic union which means God has two separate natures within him. You a while ago rejected the Old Testament, you pretend to court Jews here yet spit venom at them in private as you Muslims always do or should I show everyone your post on Jews in our private conversation. We’re not saying God can do everything and not do everything at the same time, we believe God can do everything he can even forsake his own strength and glory and become humble something your proud and arrogant god can’t even do. As he is somehow glued to his throne. Christianity is not only + and only - at the same time rather it’s both + and - existing in Union with each other.

Our problem is with Israel and not Jews. Have you not seen Jews who don't live in Israel especially Jews in america hold so many protests and burn Israeli flags.

What you believe about Gods 2 natures is only a christian doctrine and no one ever believed that about God!

 

[Barney2.0]

Our problem is with Israel and not Jews. Have you not seen Jews who don't live in Israel especially Jews in america hold so many protests and burn Israeli flags.

What you believe about Gods 2 natures is only a christian doctrine and no one ever believed that about God!

Muslims know what is happening in the world and even though Muslims might be killed its part of greater plan of God of the return of Mahdi and Jesus. Allah already said about the return of Jews at the end of times.
"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
Many things that our prophet has said has come to pass already about end times and we have no doubt Jesus will return and kill the Antichrist of the Jews انشاء الله

This is what you said, you didn’t say Israel you said Jews, it doesn’t matter if some Jews don’t like Israel or they do, Israel is a state where all people coexist not like apartheid Islamic countries.