What's your view on this video by a Jew!

[gadar perets]

"son of" can mean "in the nature of" as it says we are also "sons of God" e.g. Galatians 3:26

Gal 3:36 does NOT mean we are "in the nature of" God. We are literally His sons via adoption.

The difficulty is that the Bible talks about them like they are separate sometimes but one at others. I would argue this is because of the different senses that they can be one and separate (separate body but not separate spirit)

The Son was born with his own spirit separate from his Father's Spirit. He also received the indwelling Holy Spirit as do all believers. That does not make him God any more than it makes us God.

There's plenty of verses showing a unity of the Father with Christ as well:
"John 1:1, 14 (RSV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father."

The "logos" (spoken words and thoughts of God) became a flesh and blood man. You are reading the Son into the text of John 1:1.

[QUOTE50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God[/QUOTE]
The link does not provide 50 proofs. You have to buy his book to get all 50. The proofs it does provide are all false proofs.

 

[1 John 4:1]

Gal 3:36 does NOT mean we are "in the nature of" God. We are literally His sons via adoption.


The Son was born with his own spirit separate from his Father's Spirit. He also received the indwelling Holy Spirit as do all believers. That does not make him God any more than it makes us God.


The "logos" (spoken words and thoughts of God) became a flesh and blood man. You are reading the Son into the text of John 1:1.

50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God
The link does not provide 50 proofs. You have to buy his book to get all 50. The proofs it does provide are all false proofs.

I think Romans 8:14 and especially John 8:39 would be a better example of the idea I am getting at with "nature of." Being "son of" someone literally would prevent another from having the same spirit (EDIT: unless they could communicate telepathically and be of one mind ) but regardless these "son of God" statements are figurative analogies however you take it, that's my point.

As for John 1:1-14 I tend to see the "word" in verse 14 as the same as the "word" in verse 1 but to each his own. I mean, this is a difficult topic, believe as you are convicted, peace. EDIT: and than's so much for the discussion I'm going to be busy so I'm afraid I won't be able to respond for a while.

 

[Godistruth1]

I totally agree that trinitarian Christians are committing idolatry, not by praying to Jesus, but by exalting him to be the "one true God" contrary to his own words in John 17:3. "Oneness" Christians are committing idolatry as well. I also agree that Muslims are not committing idolatry since they are pure monotheists (unless the "Allah" they worship is not Almighty YHWH). While I consider Singer to be a dangerous anti-missionary, he is correct about Christian idolatry. Of course, Christians play also sorts of word games to support the trinity doctrine and they have trouble with math (1+1=2, not 1), but here is the deal Godistruth1;

While Christians may be wrong about the trinity doctrine, they are not wrong about Yeshua (Jesus) being the ONLY way to the Father. Muslim monotheism will not save the Muslim since they lack the ultimate truth of salvation by grace through faith in Yeshua (God's appointed Savior of mankind). If Christians are ignorantly committing idolatry, they will still be saved since Yeshua's shed blood covers sins of ignorance, but Muslims will die in their sins and be lost forever because they are not covered by his blood through receiving him as YHWH's appointed Savior.

Receiving Yeshua as your Savior does not make you an idolater unless you worship him as the only true God, but if you honor him as God's Son, God's Messiah, and God's appointed Savior of mankind, then you will not only be in right standing with YHWH, but you will be granted eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Why do you believe Jesus is son of God?

 

[gadar perets]

Why do you believe Jesus is son of God?

Aside from the New Testament declaring him to be the Son, Yeshua himself said he was the Son of God (Son of YHWH) (John 10:36; John 9:35-37; Matthew 27:43, etc.), and several verses in the Tanakh declare the same (Psalm 2:7; Psalm 2:11-12; Proverbs 30:4, etc.). Even ancient Jewish writings understood the Messiah (YHWH's "anointed" - Psalm 2:2) to be God's Son (Psalm 2:7);

“Our rabbis taught, The Holy One, blessed be He, will say to the Messiah, the son of David (May he reveal himself speedily in our days), ‘Ask of Me anything, and I will give to Thee,’ as it is said: ‘I will tell of the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, ‘Thou art My son; this day I have begotten Thee. Ask of Me and I will give the nations for Thine inheritance.'” Talmud, Sukkah (52a)
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The New Testament writings reveal the fulfillment of Psalm 2:7 took place at Yeshua's resurrection unto eternal life (Acts 13:33; Romans 1:4). I would add that every person who receives Yeshua as their Savior becomes a child (son or daughter) of YHWH via adoption, but Yeshua is the only one to ever be directly begotten by YHWH. This was not the result of procreation between God and a virgin, but of a miracle whereby YHWH spoke him into existence in Mary's womb. No other man was created in such a way.

 

[Godistruth1]

Aside from the New Testament declaring him to be the Son, Yeshua himself said he was the Son of God (Son of YHWH) (John 10:36; John 9:35-37; Matthew 27:43, etc.), and several verses in the Tanakh declare the same (Psalm 2:7; Psalm 2:11-12; Proverbs 30:4, etc.). Even ancient Jewish writings understood the Messiah (YHWH's "anointed" - Psalm 2:2) to be God's Son (Psalm 2:7);

“Our rabbis taught, The Holy One, blessed be He, will say to the Messiah, the son of David (May he reveal himself speedily in our days), ‘Ask of Me anything, and I will give to Thee,’ as it is said: ‘I will tell of the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, ‘Thou art My son; this day I have begotten Thee. Ask of Me and I will give the nations for Thine inheritance.'” Talmud, Sukkah (52a)
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The New Testament writings reveal the fulfillment of Psalm 2:7 took place at Yeshua's resurrection unto eternal life (Acts 13:33; Romans 1:4). I would add that every person who receives Yeshua as their Savior becomes a child (son or daughter) of YHWH via adoption, but Yeshua is the only one to ever be directly begotten by YHWH. This was not the result of procreation between God and a virgin, but of a miracle whereby YHWH spoke him into existence in Mary's womb. No other man was created in such a way.

Your interpretation is similar to ones who say Jesus is God and give references from bible. Holy men are called Sons of God in bible

 

[gadar perets]

Your interpretation is similar to ones who day Jesus is God and give references from bible. Holy men are called Sons of God in bible

There is a big difference between saying "Jesus is God" and "Yeshua is the Son of God". If he is the Son of God, then he cannot possibly be God unless there is more than one God. We both know Scripture teaches monotheism. Sadly, Christians know that too, but they still insist the Son is God. If that is true, and if his Father is also God, and if, as the trinity declares, the Father and the Son are not the same persons, then they have two Gods who are not the same person, yet are one God! Oy vey! Its quite a mystery.

Yes, holy men are called "sons of God", but none of them were directly begotten by God. Do not deceive yourself into believing Yeshua was begotten by a man just like all other men besides Adam were begotten. Do you reject Psalm 2 as Holy Scripture? Does the Quran say Psalm 2:7 is not true?

 

[Godistruth1]

There is a big difference between saying "Jesus is God" and "Yeshua is the Son of God". If he is the Son of God, then he cannot possibly be God unless there is more than one God. We both know Scripture teaches monotheism. Sadly, Christians know that too, but they still insist the Son is God. If that is true, and if his Father is also God, and if, as the trinity declares, the Father and the Son are not the same persons, then they have two Gods who are not the same person, yet are one God! Oy vey! Its quite a mystery.

Yes, holy men are called "sons of God", but none of them were directly begotten by God. Do not deceive yourself into believing Yeshua was begotten by a man just like all other men besides Adam were begotten. Do you reject Psalm 2 as Holy Scripture? Does the Quran say Psalm 2:7 is not true?

Trinity is indeed worship of 3 deities. Only the father is God. Also Jesus was not begotten as in the actual son of God. He was a prophet as Muslims say he was.
Acts 10:38 & Acts 2:22 agree with Muslims that Jesus was a man chosen by God who did miracles through God ! It does not fit God to have a son! There is no need at all!

Psalms is about David not Jesus. You got another begotten now ie David!

 

[gadar perets]

Trinity is indeed worship of 3 deities. Only the father is God. Also Jesus was not begotten as in the actual son of God. He was a prophet as Muslims say he was.
Acts 10:38 & Acts 2:22 agree with Muslims that Jesus was a man chosen by God who did miracles through God ! It does not fit God to have a son! There is no need at all!

How is it that you accept the words of Acts 2:22 and 10:38, but reject the words of the following verses from the same book?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Yeshua; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Yeshua, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Yeshua Messiah is the Son of God.
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Messiah in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
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Yes, Yeshua was a prophet. Do you believe he was a false prophet? According to you, he must be a false prophet because he declared himself to be the Son of God (John 10:36) and that God was his Father (Matthew 11:27).

Yeshua is also a man, but he is also a son who has a father. Both the Old and New Testaments show him to be YHWH's Son and YHWH to be his Father. Do you reject the entirety of the Bible? Are there any sections of the Bible you accept? Torah? Prophets? Writings? Certain NT books? Serious questions.

Psalms is about David not Jesus. You got another begotten now ie David!

You say Jesus was not God's Son, but say Psalm 2 is about David. In what way was David begotten by YHWH? In what way was David YHWH's "son"?

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: YHWH hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the nations for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve YHWH with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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Are you prepared to have your land and yourself owned by David? Are you prepared to be broken by his rod of iron? Are you prepared to bow down to David? These things are true of Yeshua, not David.

 

[Godistruth1]

How is it that you accept the words of Acts 2:22 and 10:38, but reject the words of the following verses from the same book?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Yeshua; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Yeshua, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Yeshua Messiah is the Son of God.
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Messiah in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
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Yes, Yeshua was a prophet. Do you believe he was a false prophet? According to you, he must be a false prophet because he declared himself to be the Son of God (John 10:36) and that God was his Father (Matthew 11:27).

Yeshua is also a man, but he is also a son who has a father. Both the Old and New Testaments show him to be YHWH's Son and YHWH to be his Father. Do you reject the entirety of the Bible? Are there any sections of the Bible you accept? Torah? Prophets? Writings? Certain NT books? Serious questions.


You say Jesus was not God's Son, but say Psalm 2 is about David. In what way was David begotten by YHWH? In what way was David YHWH's "son"?

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: YHWH hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the nations for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve YHWH with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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Are you prepared to have your land and yourself owned by David? Are you prepared to be broken by his rod of iron? Are you prepared to bow down to David? These things are true of Yeshua, not David.

Again son of God means holy man. You are interpreting it as trinitarians prove Jesus is god. King James Bible is a biased translation to fit Catholic agenda. Acts 3:13 & Acts 3:26 translates the word correctly as servant of God in most translations which is the actual translation which surprisingly agrees with Muslims again. We say all prophets and people are servants of God.
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.
Acts 3:26 When God raised up His servant, He sent Him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."
Acts 8:37 is no longer included in bible as apparently it does not have original manuscript so you can no longer find it in revised versions!
Regarding Acts 9:20, if you read verse 22 you'd see saul was proving Jesus to be messiah!

You say Jesus was not God's Son, but say Psalm 2 is about David. In what way was David begotten by YHWH? In what way was David YHWH's "son"?

As in holy man. Begotten does not necessarily mean actual son

Are you prepared to have your land and yourself owned by David? Are you prepared to be broken by his rod of iron? Are you prepared to bow down to David? These things are true of Yeshua, not David.

I only bow to One God who has no father, no son

 

[gadar perets]

Again son of God means holy man. You are interpreting it as trinitarians prove Jesus is god. King James Bible is a biased translation to fit Catholic agenda. Acts 3:13 & Acts 3:26 translates the word correctly as servant of God in most translations which is the actual translation which surprisingly agrees with Muslims again. We say all prophets and people are servants of God.
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.
Acts 3:26 When God raised up His servant, He sent Him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."
Acts 8:37 is no longer included in bible as apparently it does not have original manuscript so you can no longer find it in revised versions!

I agree. Thanks for pointing that out. Please tell me which translation of the Bible you accept as not being biased and I'll try to use that when discussing with you.

Regarding Acts 9:20, if you read verse 22 you'd see saul was proving Jesus to be messiah!

I agree he was trying to prove Yeshua to be Messiah, but he was also declaring him to be the Son of God. The question is, is Yeshua the Son only in the sense of being a holy man or is he the Son in another sense as well? We both know he is not God's son in the sense of God procreating with a human female as do men. Do your non-bias Bible translations say Mary conceived without the aid of man? Here is Rotherham's translation which is one of the translations that does not include Acts 8:37 in it.

Mat 1:18 Now the birth, of Jesus Christ, was, thus: His mother Mary having been betrothed to Joseph,—before they came together, she was found with child by the Holy Spirit.
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This is elaborated upon in Luke 1:30-35;

Luke 1:30 And the messenger said unto her—Do not fear, Mary, for thou hast found favour with God,—
Luke 1:31 And lo! thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name, Jesus:
Luke 1:32 the same, shall be great, and, Son of the Most High, shall be called, and the Lord God, will give unto him, the throne of David his father,—
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob, unto the ages, and, of his kingdom, there shall be, no end.
Luke1:34 But Mary said unto the messenger—How, shall this thing be, seeing that, a man, I know not?
Luke 1:35 And answering, the messenger said unto her—The Holy Spirit, shall come upon thee, and, the power of the Most High, shall overshadow thee; wherefore, even that which is to be born, Holy, shall be called, Son of God. Rotherham​

I only bow to One God who has no father, no son

I agree the one true God has no father, but He does have a son who is not only a son in the sense of being a holy man, but also a son in the sense of having been brought forth into this world directly by YHWH without the aid of man. Yeshua is also YHWH's begotten Son via his resurrection from the dead unto eternal life (the first born from the dead - Colossians 1:18).

 

[Hawkins]

When ants try to understand a human, they can never get to the anatomy of a human. Similarly Trinity is the same One God humans may not be able to comprehend. The Jews on and off lost connection with God even in the presence of Moses. Jews today don't even uphold the same Pharisaic concepts upheld by Jews back in Jesus' days.

To me, His Trinity marks how close you can get to Him. It's for you to know Him better.

 

[Godistruth1]

I agree. Thanks for pointing that out. Please tell me which translation of the Bible you accept as not being biased and I'll try to use that when discussing with you.

Honestly I cannot trust any one translation because verses keep getting added and removed many times, something that should not happen to word of God. I usually refer to NIV & RSV which mostly have removed Catholic church's biased translation and adding up their own verses in bible!

I agree he was trying to prove Yeshua to be Messiah, but he was also declaring him to be the Son of God. The question is, is Yeshua the Son only in the sense of being a holy man or is he the Son in another sense as well? We both know he is not God's son in the sense of God procreating with a human female as do men. Do your non-bias Bible translations say Mary conceived without the aid of man? Here is Rotherham's translation which is one of the translations that does not include Acts 8:37 in it

I agree the one true God has no father, but He does have a son who is not only a son in the sense of being a holy man, but also a son in the sense of having been brought forth into this world directly by YHWH without the aid of man. Yeshua is also YHWH's begotten Son via his resurrection from the dead unto eternal life (the first born from the dead - Colossians 1:18).

Since I'm a Muslim so I do believe Jesus was born without a father but Quran explains the point in it:
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
Verse (3:59)
So God wished Jesus to be born without father and he was born. God did not become his father in the process. So Jesus was a holy man, a prophet of God who healed sick and did miracles which God did through him!

 

[gadar perets]

To me, His Trinity marks how close you can get to Him. It's for you to know Him better.

Sorry, but that is just self-exaltation (you know Him better than me and are therefore more spiritual than me because you are a trinitarian and I am not).

 

[gadar perets]

Honestly I cannot trust any one translation because verses keep getting added and removed many times, something that should not happen to word of God. I usually refer to NIV & RSV which mostly have removed Catholic church's biased translation and adding up their own verses in bible!

I'll try using the RSV for your sake. The NIV is a paraphrase which I refuse to use. If you cannot trust the Bible for those reasons, then you cannot trust the Quran for the same reasons.

Since I'm a Muslim so I do believe Jesus was born without a father but Quran explains the point in it:
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
Verse (3:59)
So God wished Jesus to be born without father and he was born. God did not become his father in the process. So Jesus was a holy man, a prophet of God who healed sick and did miracles which God did through him!

As I said before, Yeshua called God his "Father" and said He was His "Son". If you don't believe him, then that makes him a false prophet in your eyes. You can't reject all the Old and New Testament verses declaring them corrupted without manuscript evidence showing corruption. Where you have shown corruption, I have agreed with you, but I refuse to declare the entire Bible corrupt because it does not agree with your beliefs. The RSV refers to God as "Father" over 110 times in the book of John alone. Surely you don't believe that they are all corruptions?

Also, the fact that Adam was brought into existence by YHWH makes YHWH his "father" in a sense, just not in the same sense that your father brought you into existence (through procreation).

 

[Godistruth1]

If you cannot trust the Bible for those reasons, then you cannot trust the Quran for the same reasons

Why so?

If you don't believe him, then that makes him a false prophet in your eyes.

You already agreed holy men are called sons of God and Jesus says the father is our father too in bible so both ways is fine. We are sons of God and God is our father as per bible!

Where you have shown corruption, I have agreed with you, but I refuse to declare the entire Bible corrupt because it does not agree with your beliefs. The RSV refers to God as "Father" over 110 times in the book of John alone. Surely you don't believe that they are all corruptions?

I am not saying whole bible is corrupt but since verses get added and removed easily and you don't know the who the authors of bible were so we can't trust it fully! There are so many verses that have been removed and added back not just one!

Also, the fact that Adam was brought into existence by YHWH makes YHWH his "father" in a sense, just not in the same sense that your father brought you into existence (through procreation).

Agreed. Is there a point?

 

[gadar perets]

Why so?

Because the Quran has been corrupted over the years as well.

You already agreed holy men are called sons of God and Jesus says the father is our father too in bible so both ways is fine. We are sons of God and God is our father as per bible!

In post#49 you wrote, "I only bow to One God who has no father, no son". If God has no son, then how can He be Yeshua's Father or our Father?

I am not saying whole bible is corrupt but since verses get added and removed easily and you don't know the who the authors of bible were so we can't trust it fully! There are so many verses that have been removed and added back not just one!

If you know a verse has been added or removed and you have textual proof of that, then reject it, but if you have no textual proof, then accept it.

Agreed. Is there a point?

I was just trying to show you that God has a son (Yeshua) and many other sons (believers). Even Israel as a whole is YHWH's son. Statements like, "It does not fit God to have a son", are just not true.

You reject Psalm 2:7 as referring to Yeshua because you don't believe he is YHWH's "begotten" "Son". So you make the verse refer to David even though the Apostle Paul and the writer of the Epistle to the Hebrews say it refers to Yeshua. Do you have textual evidence that those verses (Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; 5:5) are corrupt? If not, then believe them.

Also, in Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:35, we are told the "Holy Spirit" caused Mary to conceive. She had an egg that was miraculously fertilized by the Holy Spirit to produce Yeshua. I believe the Holy Spirit is the power of Father YHWH. Therefore, YHWH fathered Yeshua, not via sperm like other men become fathers, but by a miracle. So, if you can't show corruption of those two verses, then believe them as well.

 

[Godistruth1]

Because the Quran has been corrupted over the years as well

What's your proof?

I was just trying to show you that God has a son (Yeshua) and many other sons (believers). Even Israel as a whole is YHWH's son. Statements like, "It does not fit God to have a son", are just not true

People being sons of God is fine. We both agree its not in begotten sense. The only problem is in being actual son of God!

Apostle Paul and the writer of the Epistle to the Hebrews say it refers to Yeshua.

They are humans. We don't know who they really were! Jews say its David not Jesus.

Do you have textual evidence that those verses (Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; 5:5) are corrupt? If not, then believe them.

I'm not saying all are corrupt but are interpreted in wrong way!

Also, in Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:35, we are told the "Holy Spirit" caused Mary to conceive. She had an egg that was miraculously fertilized by the Holy Spirit to produce Yeshua. I believe the Holy Spirit is the power of Father YHWH. Therefore, YHWH fathered Yeshua, not via sperm like other men become fathers, but by a miracle. So, if you can't show corruption of those two verses, then believe them as well.

Its similar to what is in Quran. You need to read what Quran has mentioned in chapter named 'Mary'- mother of Jesus
Translation of Surah Maryam - NobleQuran.com

 

[gadar perets]

What's your proof?

Here are two sites that offer proof. There are many more online.

The Muslim Quran Koran has been Corrupted​

People being sons of God is fine. We both agree its not in begotten sense. The only problem is in being actual son of God!

What makes an "actual son"? Being begotten via procreation? Then, yes, Yeshua is not an actual son. However, that is not the only means of being an actual son. Adoption makes a person lawfully the son of whoever adopted him. Bringing a person into existence also makes that person the son of the one who brought him into existence.

They are humans. We don't know who they really were! Jews say its David not Jesus.

Of course the Jews say it is David. They refuse to see Yeshua in ANY messianic prophecy. You accept the word of Jews who were rebuked over and over again by YHWH rather than the words of an Apostle of Yeshua?

I'm not saying all are corrupt but are interpreted in wrong way!

That's for sure. However, verses that clearly say YHWH is Yeshua's "Father" are not be misunderstood.

Its similar to what is in Quran. You need to read what Quran has mentioned in chapter named 'Mary'- mother of Jesus
Translation of Surah Maryam - NobleQuran.com

So the Quran teaches Yeshua was conceived via a miracle, if I understand it correctly, and not via the aid of man. Does that not make him far superior and honored more than any other prophet in history, including Muhammad?

So since Yeshua was conceived miraculously, may I ask you if he is anything to you other than a prophet of God? Does he have any bearing on your salvation/eternal life?

 

[Godistruth1]

Here are two sites that offer proof. There are many more online.

Bible can be claimed its from aliens but have you actually done any research? If you understood anything from the video, its discuss it. Let's see if you did any research!

What makes an "actual son"? Being begotten via procreation? Then, yes, Yeshua is not an actual son. However, that is not the only means of being an actual son. Adoption makes a person lawfully the son of whoever adopted him. Bringing a person into existence also makes that person the son of the one who brought him into existence.

So we don't have any problem since we can say Jesus is son of God just like everyone else!

Of course the Jews say it is David. They refuse to see Yeshua in ANY messianic prophecy. You accept the word of Jews who were rebuked over and over again by YHWH rather than the words of an Apostle of Yeshua?

Since psalms is actually about David so let's not discuss it !

So the Quran teaches Yeshua was conceived via a miracle, if I understand it correctly, and not via the aid of man. Does that not make him far superior and honored more than any other prophet in history, including Muhammad?

So since Yeshua was conceived miraculously, may I ask you if he is anything to you other than a prophet of God? Does he have any bearing on your salvation/eternal life?

Every prophet was given a miracle! Does Adam become more superior because he had no father or mother? The logic you are using is flawed! Muhammad saw Paradise and hellfire when he was alive, split moon into two by pointing his finger at it, Solomon had jinns under his command and David could speak to animals etc.
He was only a prophet of God like Muhammad. Muhammad is the last prophet. He does have bearing on salvation in the sense that whoever rejects him being born without father or reject him as prophet will not enter Paradise. So is belief in all prophets necessary for salvation! Our salvation is following what God has revealed not just saying we believe and that's it!

 

[gadar perets]

Bible can be claimed its from aliens but have you actually done any research? If you understood anything from the video, its discuss it. Let's see if you did any research!

The video was pointing out differences in two versions of the Quran. If you disagree, state why the video is incorrect.

So we don't have any problem since we can say Jesus is son of God just like everyone else!

Can you say Yeshua is the only begotten Son of YHWH?

Since psalms is actually about David so let's not discuss it !

Do you see Yeshua in any Psalms?

Muhammad saw Paradise and hellfire when he was alive, split moon into two by pointing his finger at it,

That's interesting. Do you mean he split it into two separate halves or so? Did he also put it back together? Where is that written and who are the eye witnesses?

He does have bearing on salvation in the sense that whoever rejects him being born without father or reject him as prophet will not enter Paradise. So is belief in all prophets necessary for salvation! Our salvation is following what God has revealed not just saying we believe and that's it!

YHWH revealed, through the Prophet Yeshua, that we must be baptized in Yeshua's name and partake of his body and blood. Do Muslims do that?

On another note, I'm curious to know what the Quran says about the 7th day Sabbath and the dietary laws. I know Muslims don't eat pig, but they eat shellfish (abomination according to Torah) . Why is that?