What's your philosophy for Hell? Hell only?

[Ronald]

You might as well threaten me with Mordor.

Wow, in my book, "Hell ... If I know", I use an example of the scene in this movie; when Gollum falls into the lake of fire inside the volcano as the closest visual example of Hell. I think Hell is more of an event at the end of time when the earth burns up with every unbeliever in it as well. Don't worry, you still have time to change your mind.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Don't worry, you still have time to change your mind.

Okay, then. Mordor exists.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Ronald]

Okay, then. Mordor exists.

I said it was more of an event and/or place in the future. To you, it is a myth. One thing that you can be sure of, when you die, you'll find out. If you are not conscious and Darwin was right, then you have nothing to worry about.

 

[quatona]

I said it was more of an event and/or place in the future. To you, it is a myth. One thing that you can be sure of, when you die, you'll either find out. If you are not conscious and Darwin was right, then you have nothing to worry about.

I´m not particular responsive to scare tactics, anyway.

 

[Ronald]

I´m not particular responsive to scare tactics, anyway.

The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. It is a worthy scare tactic!

 

[Skavau]

The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. It is a worthy scare tactic!

You might think so. It is resoundingly uneffective to those it targets though.

Not only is it uneffective for me, it is also comes across as sycophantic as well.

 

[elephunky]

You might think so. It is resoundingly uneffective to those it targets though.

Not only is it uneffective for me, it is also comes across as sycophantic as well.

It seems to be there are mainly two approaches when it comes to "targeting". The fear of god approach and the fluffball of love approach.

 

[Eudaimonist]

The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. It is a worthy scare tactic!

To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom.
-- Bertrand Russell


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

To you, it is a myth. One thing that you can be sure of, when you die, you'll find out. If you are not conscious and Darwin was right, then you have nothing to worry about.

I was not aware that Darwin had a position on that issue. In any case, I'm not particularly interested in Pascal Wagering the issue. I could just as easily worry about reincarnating into a cockroach.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Gottservant]

Well, I didn´t say nor meant to say it prepared us for something else. So you are asking me a question based on premises that are yours.

You said "Hell is internal" well, what is "internal" prepares us for "reality".

What you entertain internally is the quality of the thing you are considering, ergo in connection with Hell, you are therefore entertaining the Hellishness of Hell.

That's straight from what you said.

I already knew that you believed in a Hell (afterlive torment style). I don´t.

Interestingly, you asked me for my philosophy of Hell.

 

[Gottservant]

And this will help you with exactly what once you will be there?

The secret is that a philosophy that helps you live with the Devil, gives you power over men.

With power over men, torment diminishes exceedingly.

 

[quatona]

The secret is that a philosophy that helps you live with the Devil, gives you power over men.

With power over men, torment diminishes exceedingly.

So your concept of Hell is that it´s a place with a hierarchy among those men who are tormented there?

 

[KCfromNC]

The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. It is a worthy scare tactic!

Yes, we all should fear being stuck in a cycle of continual death and rebirth. Don't you?

 

[Gottservant]

So your concept of Hell is that it´s a place with a hierarchy among those men who are tormented there?

Concept? How did you arrive at the idea, that I had a concept?

(sic)

 

[quatona]

Concept? How did you arrive at the idea, that I had a concept?

(sic)

If you don´t have any concept of Hell - why is it that you expect me to have a philosophy that deals with your concept of Hell?
And why the heck did you describe your concept of Hell when you don´t have any?

 

[Dave Ellis]

It's irrelevant because Hell does not exist.

However, if it did exist, what would be the point? It would be the ultimate in suffering... there's no way you can make it better or it's no longer the ultimate. It's contradictory to the concept of hell that you can make things better.

 

[Ronald]

I was not aware that Darwin had a position on that issue.

Actually in his autobiography, he struggles with God/faith and comes to the conclusion that since he struggled, he should be referred to as a theist.

In any case, I'm not particularly interested in Pascal Wagering the issue. I could just as easily worry about reincarnating into a cockroach.

If I were in Hades, waiting to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, I would probably rather be a cockroach, hoping that someone would step on me.
Some claim to be witnesses of the underworld. While a man was clinically dead in a hospital and doctors were trying to bring him back, he came to screaming "I'm in Hell, I'm in Hell", with a horifying expression on his face, "don't let me go back". Another man wrote a book of his experience: 23 minutes in Hell. A Medical doctor claims to have been in heaven while in a coma and wrote a book: "To Heaven and Back". A child tells of his experience while clinically dead and brought back: Heaven Is For Real"
The bottom line is Jesus claims that these places exist, that's good enough for me, but the stories are fascinating too.

 

[Ken-1122]

Hi there!

This might seem facetious or something, I am not trying to be simply smart. Actually a few perspectives, a bit of debate would help. What's your philosophy for Hell? Hell?

I can rattle of a number of glib ideas for Hell, but what I am looking for is a sense of "this will get me by, in Hell" or "this will sooth the pain of suffering, in Hell" or "that guy X made sense, but in Hell, I will tell him X Y" Do you see where I am going with this? What will make... what philosophy will make Hell more livable for you, if and for whatever reason you go there?

There is a clear choice, for those that cannot live with themselves, to destroy their body. They will readily accept that there bodies appeared over a long period of time, even eons, and that they gradually became more and more capable, with each new thing they learned, but how many accept that their bodies must go somewhere, over an equally long amount of time, if they decide that they don't want them any more. That they must be destroyed, just as they decided they wanted their bodies, after an enormous amount of time, so they must decide they don't want their bodies...

Have you got a philosophy ready for Hell? Just for Hell? Because if that's where you end up... you will need one, right? Atheism it? You think if you jus scratch the Name of God with something, that will pass the time? Can you survive long in Hell, with all the torment and suffering and pain, knowing that just scratching the Name of God, whether in the name of it (Atheism) or something else will get you by?

Seriously?

!

You might want to discuss philosophies that you think will be in Hell in this thread, I don't know...

EDIT: This is an example of exactly the kind of comment I am looking for:

As an Atheist, I don't believe in the concept of Hell. I believe hell is nothing more than a scare tactic religious people use to keep people from leaving their religion.

Ken

 

[elephunky]

My thoughts of hell have changed recently. I had this kind of "Im not sure about this" view, which I think I posted.

After a bit of reading, discussing and finding where I fit spiritually I have come to a personal conclusion.

I believe in reincarnation. I also believe in a heaven and hell, but not in the fluffy cloud heaven and burning with flames hell. I believe that we reincarnate (if all is good) until our purpose has been fulfilled, after which we "get promoted" to a higher plane. I consider that from there we can choose whether to guide others or whatever. However if all is not good, I believe we are sent to hell. The concept of hell being like solitary confinement. Whether this is for all eternity, or until a lesson has been learnt Im not sure on.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Some claim to be witnesses of the underworld. While a man was clinically dead in a hospital and doctors were trying to bring him back, he came to screaming "I'm in Hell, I'm in Hell", with a horifying expression on his face, "don't let me go back". Another man wrote a book of his experience: 23 minutes in Hell. A Medical doctor claims to have been in heaven while in a coma and wrote a book: "To Heaven and Back". A child tells of his experience while clinically dead and brought back: Heaven Is For Real"

I've emphasized the only important word in the paragraph above.

The bottom line is Jesus claims that these places exist, that's good enough for me, but the stories are fascinating too.

Good enough for you doesn't translate into good enough for anyone else.