What's your motive

[Kenny'sID]

Suffering is caused by the conflict between good thinking people and evil thinking people. The ancients warned us in the story of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that you can't eat from the good without having the bad.

And suffering is not cause by evil? Say, evil people doing evil?

 

[UnderPar]

And suffering is not cause by evil? Say, evil people doing evil?

The word here is wickedness, to assume you know what good and evil is. (Not dictionary terminology)

Good and evil are just positive and negative emotional reactions we have about our environment. These reactions set our neural pathways either + or -

Did you understand the matrix, and why morpheus used the battery.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The word here is wickedness, to assume you know what good and evil is. (Not dictionary terminology)

No, lol, the word was "evil", and if you choose not to answer the question, fine, but don't tell me what "word" I'm using or to use.

Did you understand the matrix, and why morpheus used the battery.

You answer mine, I answer yours. That makes for a healthy, and not one sided debate.

 

[UnderPar]

You answer mine, I answer yours. That makes for a healthy, and not one sided debate.

I did give you an answer.

Thinking good or evil both causes our suffering. Good continually goes up, while evil goes way down.
There's no limit to how good you think you can be, but evil people will eventually hit rock bottem.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I did give you an answer.

Then you're saying suffering is not caused by evil people? I ask because I didn't really see a direct answer to my question.

There's no limit to how good you think you can be, but evil people will eventually hit rock bottem.

Yes, they'll cause their own suffering as well.

 

[UnderPar]

Then you're saying suffering is not caused by evil people?

I am saying that both types of people are causing suffering. We suffer when we entertain good thoughts as well as evil thoughts. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is a double edged sword. It splits us as a people, and creates polarized thinking.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I am saying that both types of people are causing suffering. We suffer when we entertain good thoughts as well as evil thoughts. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is a double edged sword. It splits us as a people, and creates polarized thinking.

OK..Good people with good thoughts cause suffering? I do understand you are talking a combination here but still, I think you need to drop the Good from that completely, I mean think about it.

I guess I need to ask how does that happen? How do good thoughts or good people having them, or whatever your saying actually cause physical or mental suffering?

By splitting us as a people, are you saying we should all have either all evil thoughts or all good thoughts so there is no split as a people? Assuming for the moment you agree we should all have good thoughts, that's what Christianity tries to bring about in the world.

 

[Hawkins]

In the new testament it states:

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

My question is this.

If Christians are doing good deeds for the glory of God, and non believers for no glory. Which is better in the end.

The one who does good with a motive, or the one who does good without one.

'Good' is only a relative. If someone good breaks the law shall he go to jail. More importantly, if a good breaks the law, is he still good enough?

In Christianity in use the term righteousness instead. Righteousness means lawfully good in God's eyes and when measured against Law or covenants. Without a covenant no one can stand righteous in front of God's Law. Thus no one can be good. We can be righteous when measured against a covenant granted to us though.

In a nutshell, no one is good. We can be righteous though.

 

[PropheticTimes]

In the new testament it states:

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

My question is this.

If Christians are doing good deeds for the glory of God, and non believers for no glory. Which is better in the end.

The one who does good with a motive, or the one who does good without one.

We do not do good deeds "to glorify God", that is the outcome. When you love someone you want to make them happy, right? Has someone's love for you ever changed you?

In loving God, His love for us changes us. A byproduct of that change is doing good deeds as a part of who you are; it flows from you naturally. It can be compared to someone in love with another person, and being loved in return, and that love naturally causes us to want to please that person, make them happy, but we also find that inclination overflowing to those around us. The love we feel pours out of us and affects all we do and think and say.

Acts of love done by a follower of Jesus Christ glorifies God because it is out of HIS love that these works flow.

I hope that helped a little.

 

[Sketcher]

The intent to see others happy from your actions is not a motive, it's apart of a healthy relationship.

Therefore, if we know that God would be pleased with our good actions, that would simply be part of our relationship with God, since Scripture teaches us that good deeds please him and you are not counting the intent to see others happy from your actions as a motive.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Which is better, to act out of gratitude or pride?