What's your definition of Sodomite behavior?

[Wiccan_Child]

I have never hated a Jew in my life. As regards to marriage I am afraid I cant accept that because marriage by defination is twixed man and women.

Defined by whom?

 

[jcook922]

I have never hated a Jew in my life. As regards to marriage I am afraid I cant accept that because marriage by defination is twixed man and women.

Although I have heard the other side of the argument as well. Espically from Bishop Gene Robinson (but again I dont agree with him)

A Christian should not have any hatred at least that is my view sin is the most repugnant thing to a Christian not personalities.

Christian marriage as a partnership and tradition is, but what about the fact that other religions and societies refer to the partnership of two people as marriage?

 

[TeutonKnight]

Defined by whom?

You know what I am going to say here don't you

Also I once read it in a Dictionary.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You know what I am going to say here don't you

I expected you would say "God", or some such. But then that begs the question: "What is marriage?". Is it of religion? Of the state? A public declaration of (romantic) love and commitment?

Also I once read it in a Dictionary.

That's the thing about dictionaries: definitions change.

 

[TeutonKnight]

I expected you would say "God", or some such. But then that begs the question: "What is marriage?". Is it of religion? Of the state? A public declaration of (romantic) love and commitment?


That's the thing about dictionaries: definitions change.

Must I bring out the Book of Common Prayer and tell you why I believe it was ordained by God as I am sure you well aware

Aside from my religious conviction regarding the issue I see no reason for two lovers of the Homosexual ilk to be together (I may however object to the lifstyle but I will not persecute them for it) I object to the term marriage being used as marriage is between man and women.

Where do you stand on this issue

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Must I bring out the Book of Common Prayer and tell you why I believe it was ordained by God as I am sure you well aware

I have never seen your alias before, nor have I heard of this "Book of Common Prayer". Must you continue to make assumption?

Aside from my religious conviction regarding the issue I see no reason for two lovers of the Homosexual ilk to be together (I may however object to the lifstyle but I will not persecute them for it) I object to the term marriage being used as marriage is between man and women.

Where do you stand on this issue

By considering just what it means for a man and a woman to be 'married', I see no reason why this should be arbitrarily restricted to just male-female couples.

 

[TeutonKnight]

I have never seen your alias before, nor have I heard of this "Book of Common Prayer". Must you continue to make assumption?


By considering just what it means for a man and a woman to be 'married', I see no reason why this should be arbitrarily restricted to just male-female couples.

I do beg your pardon I did assume that as your location is Bristol that you would have heard of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer used by teh Church of England and for that I apologise.

It is true what they say to ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME. (Do you see what I did there)

If it where not the case why did the Labour Goverment not just call it marriage?

 

[jayem]

Actually, the Bible does state that the sins of Sodom included sexual immorality, going after strange flesh, and all that. The problem, of course, is that it never explains just what sexual practices were deemed immoral, nor what flesh was strange.

True. And the word "Sodomy" seems to me to be a euphemism. An attempt to be pejorative, while still maintaining a certain preciosity of speech. You Brits (who invented the language) are much more to the point. Can I say "buggery" in these forums?

 

[quatona]

As regards to marriage I am afraid I cant accept that because marriage by defination is twixed man and women.

Not where I live.

 

[cantata]

"Twixed"? I think you mean "twixt".

 

[TeutonKnight]

My spelling is a disgrace I will admitt to that but it is purley because I am a lazy typer.

However I dont think we are going to agree on all issues, that much is clear. Yet I do believe that I have not tried to proslytise you at any stage.

 

[morningstar2651]

Liberal or conservative, promiscuous or devoted, what is your definition of "Sodomite," as it refers to behavior?

One who lives in a city known as Sodom?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

True. And the word "Sodomy" seems to me to be a euphemism. An attempt to be pejorative, while still maintaining a certain preciosity of speech.

It's a fantastic word, always reminds me of the 1930s for absolutely no reason. "Homosexualist" is just as good.

You Brits (who invented the language) are much more to the point. Can I say "buggery" in these forums?

Apparently so .

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I do beg your pardon I did assume that as your location is Bristol that you would have heard of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer used by teh Church of England and for that I apologise.

Not at all. I am from Bristol, but I'm not too clued up on the ins and outs of Anglicanism. Shame on me

It is true what they say to ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME. (Do you see what I did there)

If it where not the case why did the Labour Goverment not just call it marriage?

To satiate both sides: the pro-same-sex-marriage side get pretty much what they ask for (civil partnerships are marriages in all but name), and the anti-same-sex-marriage side get what they ask for as well (it isn't, technically, marriage ).

Hooray for clever solutions!

 

[TeutonKnight]

I do believe the term has been made illegal in the UK can anyone shed any light on this?

 

[Mling]

I define Sodomite as one who behaves like the inhabitants of Sodom. That is, one who has been blessed with abundance and responds to it with greed, rather than thanks. One who abuses people who lack protection (such as by raping travelers). One who, when given a gift, abuses the one who gave it to them--by violating their trust or by using the blessings they have been given as weapons to abuse people they perceive as weaker.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I do believe the term has been made illegal in the UK can anyone shed any light on this?

I'm not aware of a law that prohibits the usage of any word. What makes you think it is illegal to utter the word "sodomite" in the UK?

 

[ReverendDG]

Even many of the old jewish scholars like Josepheus and writers of the Midrash knew about Sodoms sexual immorality without even having to read the bible.

just to point this out, this is 100% wrong.
josephus didn't believe this at all


The Sodomites, overweeningly proud of their numbers and the extent of their wealth, showed themselves insolent to men and impious to the Divinity, insomuch that they no more remembered the benefits that they had received from him, hated foreigners and declined all intercourse with others. Indignant at this conduct, God accordingly resolved to chastise them for their arrogance." (Josephus, Antiquities I: 194-5)

from
http://www.masterliness.com/a/Sodom.htm

as the site says, midrash are not historical. what the midrash says shouldn't even be considered relevant outside of what people believed at the time the midrash was written

 

[uberd00b]

Is it not the duty of a Christian to love the sinner and hate the sin? I am quite conservative in this particular issue.

"Love the sinner hate the sin" is something Christians say in order to facilitate their prejudice. It is of course impossible to do this in the case of sexuality. Sexuality is something one is, not something one does.

 

[uberd00b]

"Twixed"? I think you mean "twixt".

Mmm Twix.